the MB form factor is total junk. Um like the kb, usbC, touchPad, etc only slightly work
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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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I mean, that's your opinion. Many people including me think that the current form factor and design of the MacBook Pros is the best it has ever been. There's definitely not much that "only slightly works", for me it all works perfectly.
Why would you go to an Apple-forum when the only thing you do is complain about macbooks and post “turn them around and they’re all the same” about iphones.
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Why would you sign up to a forum just to complain about someone else voicing their opinion? If you want to debate the point he’s making then that is the point of a discussion forum, but just rubbishing his point and going for the man rather than the ball isn’t cricket.
Personally I’d argue the MB form factor is still one of the most robust about, the biggest issues are a gimmicky keyboard that may or may not now be improved (don’t think the butterfly mechanism will ever be 100% fixed, it’s manufacture tolerances are clearly just too fine for it to stand up to real world usage) USB C only was a move too soon when A is still ubiquitous and a large part of the market they are targeting still uses SD cards as their medium of choice.
I just find it annoying to see forum posts without some proper explanation, but I agree that my post wasn't the best either.
About the design / form factor. I don't really care about the lack of USB-A, I've some small and cheap USB-A to USB-C adapters to use with them. I agree with you about the lack of a SD card slot. It would've been way better if it was available, but I don't think that they will add anymore ports in the future. I think that this design is here to say for atleast 2 years and that the first major redesign will be in 2020.
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um me again...
i standing up for all the customers that put money down and own a few apple products in their home. I an not associated with the industry.
It's another annoyance though having to have another item to make devices compatible - I'm not sure if Apple genuinely didn't realise just how ubiquitous USB A is, underestimated the adoption rate of C massively, or just really believe their own hubris and thought they could lead and everyone would follow rather than digging in their heels. Either way, retaining a single USB A would have made these machines vastly more suited to a transition phase.
Yes, generally the MBP is updated at the 4 year mark, so following the existing pattern (2008, 2012, 2016) there will be a redesign in 2020 - thats also rumoured to be when apple go in-house ARM for chips. I'm also not expecting huge change for these machines outwardly, there is though the haptic-touch keyboard patent/ rumour that would likely be a nightmare if you do any significant amount of typing...
Many I know have shifted platforms as the MBP no longer makes sense being overly compromised and lacking value for money. The performance boost of the 8th Gen CPU's was welcomed, equally the inadequate cooling solution not so much, further decreasing the value of the MBP.
Was a time in my realm when most consultants were on Apple's platform, today seeing a Mac a rare occurrence indeed. The path is pretty much set, less for more as time passes, nickel & diming at every possible instance until the market wont bear the pricing...
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They knew, they didn't care. They've embraced other interfaces in the past that didn't have high adoption rate. When the first Bondi Blue iMac came out, they abandoned their tried and true interfaces for something called USB. Firewire is another example where apple just used something because they think its a great option. The funny thing with FW, is people were just adopting it, and they dropped it.
It’s probably a cost thing too - I am guessing USB-C is a far more expensive connector, with majority of products not really needing to take advantage of its features, hence affecting its adoption rate.
They have pay a royalty fee for using the USB-C port which ultimately is passed onto the customers
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/24/dongle-top-seller-apple-best-buy/
If Best Buy is a good indicator they also make a ton of money from selling dongles to consumers.
If Best Buy is a good indicator they also make a ton of money from selling dongles to consumers.
The margins on those products is huge. Back in the day, I work in retail and selling computers, one thing had a large mark up, those cables and accessories.
Im hoping intel will do the opposite pull a surprise and gets all their 10nm chips out by first half of 2019 since they were delayed for so long. Either way I have held on since Mid 2012 MBP, got a "battery swap" 2017, so I'm good till at least 2020. Crazy that it will be almost a decade since I bought upgrade though...usually has been every 4-5 years but this cycle has been painful to watch with no real upgrades.
(and I don't count the 2018 a real 32GB laptop...this was obviously a forced DDR4 power hungry solution to the problem, and 10nm CPU + LPDDR4 + something newer than polaris GPU will be the true upgrade to keep me going for these decade long cycles now lol).
They basically just released the same processor with two more cores, did a bit of nip and tuck, and tried to pass it off as having the same TDP as four core processors from the previous generation. Don't be so sure they will rectify that with their next stopgap measure. Without significant changes to the manufacturing process, it's hard to see how Intel can make the heat generated by two more cores magically disappear. But those changes won't come until Ice Lake in 2019/2020.
True, however however many other OEM's bolstered their cooling solutions to accomodate the additional thermals & performance. Apple seemingly did nothing, so no surprises that performance is significantly compromised.
Intel's 8750H in conjunction with a competent cooling solution. The MBP not performing optimally with Intel's 8th Gen CPU's firmly sits with Apple nobody else...
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It's possible Intel could just offer a less crazy performance improvement with Ice Lake, and put some of the increased efficiency towards decreased power draw and decreased power. They could then leave the i9 in as a CPU for laptops with cooling solutions to support it while still having mainstream CPUs that can be put into thin and lights without pretty high heat dissipation requirements.
I agree with you generally, but Apple did the 2016 redesign thinking Intel's power consumption was going to improve year-over-year. That's not an unreasonable assumption, and it's definitely what Intel was telling them at the time. As always, Apple's strategy was for that redesign (admittedly a bad one) to last them four years. I don't think they could have anticipated having to accommodate 32GB of full speed RAM and two more cores with no change to the manufacturing process.
The GPU is Vega or Navi, depending on how AMD is doing. There is really no telling if Intel will have anything new available.
The absolute best case scenario, though, would be Navi and Ice Lake in September 2019.
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Doesn't look that good for Intel, they just delayed their 10nm CPUs again...now to 2020...which probably means closer to 2021 in reality :/
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-cooper_lake-ice_lake,37574.html
Meanwhile AMDs 7nm CPUs are still expected for Late 2019.
Did they? Where in the article does it say that? They mostly say that 10nm Icelake is scheduled for 2020 and that there are another two intermediate 14nm releases, one this year (Cascadelake) and another one next year (Cooperlake), but no new information about whether or not Cannonlake will be a thing in late 2019 or not. It even mentions early in the article that 19nm is delayed until 2019.
Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't surprise me at all if 10nm gets delayed until 2020, but this is not what the article says, unless I'm missing something. It just gives new insight into what will be before and after that.
Given Intel's track record, I think that's almost a sure bet