Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

[fathergll]

I think I'm done. Their pricing is gone insane to me. I could buy one, I'm just not willing to pay those prices.

At first I thought it was really high pricing but then I decided to look at what MBP's costs from 10 years ago. $2,000 was the entry price and that is 2008 dollars which is comes out to $2,380.70 today. The 17" model would be $3,332.98 today. While you can configure today's MPBs to be pretty insanely high it actually seems that the pricing on the laptops is pretty consistent with inflation over the years.




The early 2008 2.4 GHz, 15-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $1,999 (US), includes:

• 15.4-inch widescreen LED-backlit 1440 x 900 LCD display;
• 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB shared L2 cache;
• 800 MHz front-side bus;
• 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;
• 200GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor;
• a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) optical drive;
• NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB GDDR3 memory;

The early 2008 2.5 GHz, 17-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $2,799 (US), includes:

• 17-inch widescreen 1680 x 1050 LCD display;
• 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB shared L2 cache;
• 800 MHz front-side bus;
• 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;
• 250GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor;
• a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) optical drive;
• NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB GDDR3 memory;

 

[jgbr]

This is more a problem for 2017 users who's machine are now in forced obsolescence and a dodgy keyboard and its 2nd hand value wiped out.

I'd consider more waiting for the 2019 10nm change. 2016/2017 upgrade to 10nm in 2019/2020/2021 will present good value for money. If your keyboard doesn't result in your machine breaking before then.

I think Icy Lake and Tiger Lake will be the big upgrade. Tiger Lake being the most important.

 

[Falhófnir]

This is more a problem for 2017 users who's machine are now in forced obsolescence and a dodgy keyboard and its 2nd hand value wiped out.

I'd consider more waiting for the 2019 10nm change. 2016/2017 upgrade to 10nm in 2019/2020/2021 will present good value for money. If your keyboard doesn't result in your machine breaking before then.

I think Icy Lake and Tiger Lake will be the big upgrade. Tiger Lake being the most important.

10nm will almost certainly not be here in time for the 2019 models. Even if they launch in October, they will have to start manufacturing no later than August (probably before then) The earliest Ice Lake is likely to launch is in the dying weeks of 2019 as intel's present (hinted) roadmap stands. Depending on how badly 10nm is broken for intel, it might even be a lot further away than that.

 

[jgbr]

10nm will almost certainly not be here in time for the 2019 models. Even if they launch in October, they will have to start manufacturing no later than August (probably before then) The earliest Ice Lake is likely to launch is in the dying weeks of 2019 as intel's present (hinted) roadmap stands. Depending on how badly 10nm is broken for intel, it might even be a lot further away than that.

I am definitely thinking icy lake and tiger lake will be around the time of redesign of the MBP. Maybe same time as a new screen, keyboard etc.

 

[The Mercurian]

At first I thought it was really high pricing but then I decided to look at what MBP's costs from 10 years ago. $2,000 was the entry price and that is 2008 dollars which is comes out to $2,380.70 today. The 17" model would be $3,332.98 today. While you can configure today's MPBs to be pretty insanely high it actually seems that the pricing on the laptops is pretty consistent with inflation over the years.




The early 2008 2.4 GHz, 15-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $1,999 (US), includes:

• 15.4-inch widescreen LED-backlit 1440 x 900 LCD display;
• 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB shared L2 cache;
• 800 MHz front-side bus;
• 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;
• 200GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor;
• a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) optical drive;
• NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB GDDR3 memory;

The early 2008 2.5 GHz, 17-inch MacBook Pro, for a suggested retail price of $2,799 (US), includes:

• 17-inch widescreen 1680 x 1050 LCD display;
• 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB shared L2 cache;
• 800 MHz front-side bus;
• 2GB of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;
• 250GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor;
• a slot-load 8x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) optical drive;
• NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB GDDR3 memory;

Yeah I appreciate that is the case for US Mac owners but in Europe it’s a different story wih the shifting of currencies etc etc. For me to upgrade my existing machine is a consideable increase in price matching like for like

 

[fathergll]

Yeah I appreciate that is the case for US Mac owners but in Europe it’s a different story wih the shifting of currencies etc etc. For me to upgrade my existing machine is a consideable increase in price matching like for like

True this does vary by year and country but from 2008 article "Based on the products we looked at in this survey, European consumers pay an average of 18.7% more for their Mac products than US consumers. "

In other-words EU has been paying higher prices for a long time though its probably worse now in 2018 then the past as you already stated.

 

[The Mercurian]

True this does vary by year and country but from 2008 article "Based on the products we looked at in this survey, European consumers pay an average of 18.7% more for their Mac products than US consumers. "

In other-words EU has been paying higher prices for a long time though its probably worse now in 2018 then the past as you already stated.

So I’m telling you as someone buying them since 2008 it has increased. I worked out my 2014mbp t closest matching 2018 one the difference is 14%. And it has increased relative to other manufacturers to the point where the differential is not something I can easily ignore anymore

 

[smoking monkey]

Agreed, I am scared enough taking my $2000 MacBook Pro out in the wild, let alone even think about taking a $6700 dollar MacBook Pro out of the house. No screw that, I’d be terrified just to take it off my desk over to my living room.

I carry my Mac Book Pro every week day in a backpack... on a scooter. It's travelled internationally more times than I can remember over the past (almost) 5 years and it's still in great nick. A good backpack will protect your computer and keep it looking like new. Just don't drop it on a hardwood or cement floor and you'll be groovy.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

#1 Probably 2020/2021

#5 Should happen and I want it too, but some have mentioned it is a big task engineering wise

I keep hearing people say Face is a big challenge too on these forums but what is that base on.

I hear 1) it's a big redesign and would force physical changes- this is BS given the camera on the MBP is bigger than an X.
2) It's gonna require an A11 chip. Say what? Touch ID chip already in MBP- just use that for Face ID.

Any facts to back up that assertion around Face ID? Anywhere?
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Will need to modify my wish list based on what the 2018 models checked off...

• Hex-core Coffee Lake Hex-core Cannon Lake
• More reliable keyboard
• 32 GB DDR4 RAM 32 GB DDR4 RAM as standard
• Increased display resolution
• Lowered base price

Done.

Does the resolution matter much at this point on a 15 inch? It's already pretty tight.

I could see a 17 inch it making more of a difference but they don't make those.

 

[GtrDude]

In 2016 it was "Waiting for a 2017".
In 2017 it was "Waiting for a 2018".
In 2018 it's beginning to be "Waiting for a 2019".
How about just get a Dell or a Thinkpad NOW?
Oh and save your self some money while you're at it...lol

 

[cool11]

It feels like something missing always...

 

[afir93]

In 2016 it was "Waiting for a 2017".
In 2017 it was "Waiting for a 2018".
In 2018 it's beginning to be "Waiting for a 2019".

It‘s almost like different people bought their previous MacBooks at different times so they all have different priorities for when their next one is due and when they start waiting for the next refresh...

 

[Ma2k5]

I keep hearing people say Face is a big challenge too on these forums but what is that base on.

I hear 1) it's a big redesign and would force physical changes- this is BS given the camera on the MBP is bigger than an X.
2) It's gonna require an A11 chip. Say what? Touch ID chip already in MBP- just use that for Face ID.

Any facts to back up that assertion around Face ID? Anywhere?

I have no clue, not my area of expertise. Hopefully someone can shed some light into this. It’s a shame we are still on 720p FaceTime camera’s.

 

[maflynn]

Will need to modify my wish list based on what the 2018 models checked off...

• Hex-core Coffee Lake Hex-core Cannon Lake
• More reliable keyboard
• 32 GB DDR4 RAM 32 GB DDR4 RAM as standard
• Increased display resolution
• Lowered base price

That is in the most literal definition of wish list. I don't see apple lowering its base price or providing 32GB of ram standard. For most consumers who buy the MBP, 16 is more then enough, heck, most of Apple's product line is standard with 8GB and for most uses that's fine. My iMac is rocking with 8GB, and using Lightroom, Office, PS (light usage) is fine. I think people see the bigger number and instantly think they need it. True there are those that need it, but I don't think its as many people as I see here clamoring for it - just my $.02

 

[Falhófnir]

I am definitely thinking icy lake and tiger lake will be around the time of redesign of the MBP. Maybe same time as a new screen, keyboard etc.

2020 is possible, but that’s when Apple will be transitioning to in-house chips if present rumours are to be believed

 

[d0nK]

At first I thought it was really high pricing but then I decided to look at what MBP's costs from 10 years ago. $2,000 was the entry price and that is 2008 dollars which is comes out to $2,380.70 today. The 17" model would be $3,332.98 today. While you can configure today's MPBs to be pretty insanely high it actually seems that the pricing on the laptops is pretty consistent with inflation over the years.

My late 2011 15" mbp with 500GB hard drive was £1550. I upgraded the hard drive and RAM myself after I bought it.
The 2018 15" mbp with 512GB hard drive is £2700! I would need to carry an external hard drive around wth me and multiple dongles.
Roll on 2019 mbp's...

 

[The Mercurian]

My late 2011 15" mbp with 500GB hard drive was £1550. I upgraded the hard drive and RAM myself after I bought it.
The 2018 15" mbp with 512GB hard drive is £2700! I would need to carry an external hard drive around wth me and multiple dongles.
Roll on 2019 mbp's...

Ha for 2014 machine i have 4 dongles.....all of which would become useless if i buy a new machine

 

[limo79]

The fact that it was a "silent" hardware update without presenting it officialy by Tim and Co. is a best proof that it was a very minor update for Apple and it was from hardware / software perspective. The only problem I see that Intel has so many delays so I am not sure if 2019 MacBooks will be shown on September. Possibly these delays impacts Apple strategic roadmap (and financial plans) and this is a main reason to create a custom processor hiring Intel engineers in Oregon.

 

[Ma2k5]

The fact that it was a "silent" hardware update without presenting it officialy by Tim and Co. is a best proof that it was a very minor update for Apple and it was from hardware / software perspective. The only problem I see that Intel has so many delays so I am not sure if 2019 MacBooks will be shown on September. Possibly these delays impacts Apple strategic roadmap (and financial plans) and this is a main reason to create a custom processor hiring Intel engineers in Oregon.

To think, CannonLake was suppose to be released in 2016, then 2018, now 2019/20? It is probably the best improvement we could have for years and we can't confidently say when it will arrive.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

To think, CannonLake was suppose to be released in 2016, then 2018, now 2019/20? It is probably the best improvement we could have for years and we can't confidently say when it will arrive.

If the last Intel chip shrink is any guide there isn't much basis for a big increase in performance. Maybe better battery life because of the die shrink and lp memory but that's it.

Power wise an upgraded GPU is the only thing I see incoming which could happen any time and should be available in the fall.

 

[Ma2k5]

If the last Intel chip shrink is any guide there isn't much basis for a big increase in performance. Maybe better battery life because of the die shrink and lp memory but that's it.

Power wise an upgraded GPU is the only thing I see incoming which could happen any time and should be available in the fall.

For me the better battery life and LPDDR4 are quite significant improvements and that is ignoring the performance increase. The new CPU's will also be finally spectre/meltdown free on a hardware level - current CPU's including Coffeelake are dependant on a software fix.

 

[youdontsay]

True this does vary by year and country but from 2008 article "Based on the products we looked at in this survey, European consumers pay an average of 18.7% more for their Mac products than US consumers. "

Indeed. Right now if we take a look at the 15" base model it's about 14% more for it in France :

2,399$ = 2051€
+20%VAT (410€)
We should pay our base model 15" macbook pro around 2461€

Well, it costs 2799€ here…

 

[gadgetfreaky]

For me the better battery life and LPDDR4 are quite significant improvements and that is ignoring the performance increase. The new CPU's will also be finally spectre/meltdown free on a hardware level - current CPU's including Coffeelake are dependant on a software fix.

sure but how material is that. 5%? not worth waiting for. The GPU is the only thing that is an issue horsepower wise.

 

[Ma2k5]

sure but how material is that. 5%? not worth waiting for. The GPU is the only thing that is an issue horsepower wise.

The headline is 25% increase in performance and 45% reduced power consumption. These figures may or may not be inflated, but it points to it being more than just 5% in real terms. 10% is great and it could very easily be 15-25% which to me is significant.

 

[jgbr]

The headline is 25% increase in performance and 45% reduced power consumption. These figures may or may not be inflated, but it points to it being more than just 5% in real terms. 10% is great and it could very easily be 15-25% which to me is significant.