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Web Browsing Performance on Android 2.2 Hampered by Flash Compatibility

You want to see REALLY slow? Take an iPhone to a website with Flash and try to use the Flash portions. Yes, keep tapping that blue box and see how fast it runs. What's that? It just sits there?

:)

I have a longtime embedded programming saying:

There's nothing slower than being totally Stopped.

In other words, even slow is often better than having no capability at all. And in this case, since it can be turned on or off or a combination, you get the best of all currently possible worlds.

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As for standards, there are a lot of mobile websites customized to work only with iPhones due to particular iPhone Safari meta tags, something Apple promoted. Don't even get me started on their web hypocrisy.

Many of the arguments around here apply to HTML and Javascript just as well as to Flash and Actionscript. The worst was the ridiculously naive argument about hover and mouse movement, which apply just as much to HTML websites. Ditto for slowdowns; I've seen quite a few regular websites with poorly implemented AJAX.
 
In all honesty I didnt think it was all that bad... you should try surfing the web on a blackberry...:eek:

If adobe can iron out the kinks then I think a lot of people will appreciate it.
 
macUser2007 said:
Yep. Then if you wait a couple of more months, the new generation of Android phones will start coming out, all based on Tegra 2 and Intel Atom Z6. Which will make the new iPhone HD hardware seem like a year old again.

Flash will, of course, run better on the Tegra 2 and Intel Atom Z6.

The place where Flash will really be needed, is on the bigger screens of the slew of Android tablets coming out with these chips.

Then, the iPad will look like a year old, too.
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And that is the beauty of competition in a healthy market. The iPhone/iPad will be consistently slower than the latest Android models though since Apple will choose battery performance over raw computing power, and at least for the phone market battery performance will probably win out when all is said and done because your speed will be limited as much by bandwidth as it is processor speed.

And the Flash test seems to prove Steve's point, it is a battery hog and slows down performance to an unacceptable level. I realize that this is a beta version of Flash, but one would think that after a number of years to prepare for the mobile market that they would have made sure that even it the early beta on the Android it proved Steve wrong at least on the performance side.
 
jerome65 said:
The iPhone/iPad will be consistently slower than the latest Android models though since Apple will choose battery performance .
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Wait, you're saying Apple is banning OpenGL ES and Quartz on the iPhone OS now ? But, I did enjoy playing the games even if I had to plug in my phone after 2 hours. I'd rather have the choice to launch a game when I have disposable battery charge and just not play the game when I need that battery for something else than just not having the choice to play a game at all.

Is that thing really going to be able to do anything once their done with it ?

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If you can see the ridicule of the previous comment, you should see the ridicule of the Flash debate. If Adobe can ship the product and you can enable it on a per content basis, you can then choose to either preserve your "ressources" (a CPU idling is just a wasted cycle) and battery or not depending on your current needs at the time.

Or is that too complicated ? Making choices. Should I buy the red Yaris or the black F-150 ? Choices are so complicated sometimes, evaluating needs, weighting options, listing pros and cons and choosing...
 
KnightWRX said:
Wait, you're saying Apple is banning OpenGL ES and Quartz on the iPhone OS now ? But, I did enjoy playing the games even if I had to plug in my phone after 2 hours. I'd rather have the choice to launch a game when I have disposable battery charge and just not play the game when I need that battery for something else than just not having the choice to play a game at all.
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I'm saying that Apple's focus has been and probably will be on battery life over raw speed. This isn't saying anything about the software just the hardware. Apple may not put it the hottest, fastest processor available in the iPhone but some Android maker will even if they only have a 1 hour battery life and you need put an oven mitt on to hold it.

For most people if you have to plug in a phone more than once a day that will be too much, i would imagine that people will not want to plug in their tablets in more than once or twice a day either.
 
jerome65 said:
For most people if you have to plug in a phone more than once a day that will be too much, i would imagine that people will not want to plug in their tablets in more than once or twice a day either.
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So an iPhone is out then. I swear, my GF carries around a charging cable and plugs it in every chance she gets and the minute I steal the cable from her to charge my iPod, she screams bloody murder about her iPhone being about to die.

It's brand new too.

The iPhone's battery last long if the phone sits there doing nothing. Like about, oh, every other cellphone on the market. The minute you start using the iPhone though, wow, that sucker goes down faster than a 2$ ... (ok, won't finish that).
 
My Nexus One lasts the entire day; at least as long as my iPhone 3G did, with normal use. I plug it in every night (I probably could squeeze 2 days out of it), but that doesn't bother me much at all. And, if I had to go an extended period of time without being able to charge it, guess what I can do with my Nexus One? I can swap in a spare battery! Try doing that on an iPhone.
 
yg17 said:
My Nexus One lasts the entire day; at least as long as my iPhone 3G did, with normal use. I plug it in every night (I probably could squeeze 2 days out of it), but that doesn't bother me much at all. And, if I had to go an extended period of time without being able to charge it, guess what I can do with my Nexus One? I can swap in a spare battery! Try doing that on an iPhone.
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LOL :D

Nice one!

Now I just have to decide... Nexus One, Dell Mini 5, HTC one or the other, etc...

Aaaaah its so nice to finally feel free!

:)
 
soup4you2 said:
I'm glad i'm not the only person who's noticed how one sided this sites news has become.

The reporters here will post articles about the issues they find on other devices, but they will never post the positives. Same goes with Apple products just in reverse. They only post the good things and hype but rarely if ever post the bad.
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You are right, they have never posted anything about the yellow screen's tinting, the cracked screens etc... This has never happened at all.

But I could of swore this was a macrumors forum?!?!?!? :rolleyes:
 
yg17 said:
My Nexus One lasts the entire day; at least as long as my iPhone 3G did, with normal use. I plug it in every night (I probably could squeeze 2 days out of it), but that doesn't bother me much at all. And, if I had to go an extended period of time without being able to charge it, guess what I can do with my Nexus One? I can swap in a spare battery! Try doing that on an iPhone.
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I think all these devices are about equal. To try to claim "Apple is concentrating on battery life" is hogwash. Their hardware acceleration for OpenGL drains the sucker like there's no tomorrow. Same for Quartz.

Battery life is just a good excuse for Flash if you ignore the fact that just using the darn thing drains the battery.
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Another breaking news (since this site will never report it)

Dell Streak (or Mini 5) tablet is out! :)

It runs on Android and it will obviously support Flash...


http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...reak-the-versatile-5-inch-android-tablet.aspx

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10146000.stm


By end of this year we will have so many options and choices :)

Frankly - can't bloody wait to move away from Steve's walled garden of rubbish...
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yg17 said:
My Nexus One lasts the entire day; at least as long as my iPhone 3G did, with normal use. I plug it in every night (I probably could squeeze 2 days out of it), but that doesn't bother me much at all. And, if I had to go an extended period of time without being able to charge it, guess what I can do with my Nexus One? I can swap in a spare battery! Try doing that on an iPhone.
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-=XX=-Nephilim said:
LOL :D

Nice one!

Now I just have to decide... Nexus One, Dell Mini 5, HTC one or the other, etc...

Aaaaah its so nice to finally feel free!

:)
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Here is an idea.. why don't you guys/gals head over to the Google/Dell/Windows forums now since you no longer like or want Apple products. Really it isn't that hard.
 
Before we all start rising up and tear down the walled garden. As "good" as Flash is, it poses some very serious problems. Here are my concerns.

3> 77 Common Vulnerablities and Exposures
2> Flash cookies
1> Performance

Right now my 3G iPhone is my baby until i4HD.:) I admit I'm a fool. I'm not running 4 AV programs on my phone. I drink the Kool-Aid. I like not thinking about remote code execution turning my phone into a brick. Anybody selling Antivirus apps for iPhoneOS? No not, the games or the threat tools.

Flash cookies. Everyone tells you about HTTP cookies tracking you. Flash cookies do the same except nobody tells you that they exist, they are watching you or thay you have to jump through convoluted hoops to get rid of them.

Performance of the beta on the beloved Android hasn't made me giddy.

Strip away Apple's fault for XYZ problems with Adobe and there still remain lots of questions that Adobe hasn't answered. Lots don't like the lack of choice on the iPhone. I'm not liking the product. Until adobe gets its stuff straight, flash can keeps its distance from my phone.
 
Before we all start rising up and tear down the walled garden. As "good" as Flash is, it poses some very serious problems. Here are my concerns.

3> 77 Common Vulnerablities and Exposures
2> Flash cookies
1> Performance

Right now my 3G iPhone is my baby until i4HD.:D I admit I'm a fool. I'm not running 4 AV programs on my phone. I drink the Kool-Aid. I like not thinking about remote code execution turning my phone into a brick. Anybody selling Antivirus apps for iPhoneOS? No not, the games or the threat tools.

Flash cookies. Everyone tells you about HTTP cookies tracking you. Flash cookies do the same except nobody tells you that they exist, they are watching you or thay you have to jump through convoluted hoops to get rid of them.

Performance of the beta on the beloved Android hasn't made me giddy.

Strip away Apple's fault for XYZ problems with Adobe and there still remain lots of questions that Adobe hasn't answered. Lots don't like the lack of choice on the iPhone. I'm not liking the product. Until adobe gets its stuff straight, flash can keeps its distance from my phone.
 
rhett7660 said:
Here is an idea.. why don't you guys/gals head over to the Google/Dell/Windows forums now since you no longer like or want Apple products. Really it isn't that hard.
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Excuse me? I have a Mac Pro, MacBook and an iPad. Who says I no longer like or want Apple products?
 
rhett7660 said:
Here is an idea.. why don't you guys/gals head over to the Google/Dell/Windows forums now since you no longer like or want Apple products. Really it isn't that hard.
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Mac Book Pro + (broken) Apple Cinema Display 20" + iPod Touch 2G

By the way I LOVE OS X and have no intention of migrating for quite some time...

:)
 
rhett7660 said:
This is true, but from what I have been reading especially with the other two, they no longer like apple products. Whether it is a Mac Computer or any of the "i" products.....
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Who? Me? I never said that. I have serious issues with what Apple's been doing lately with respect to app store censorship and Steve Jobs' latest trend of being a condescending ass, but I never said I no longer like Apple products. I just don't think the iPhone is the best phone out there.
 
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