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Web Browsing Performance on Android 2.2 Hampered by Flash Compatibility

badmac78 said:
Soon as Hulu has an app and a major porn site switches, Flash is dead. I still haven't seen a long enough list of Flash related sites/products that warrant the amount of hype related to "millions" of people using it.
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And why would porn sites want to switch from Flash? As SJ said, porn will not be allowed on iPhone anyway and all other phones will have Flash soon.
 
Atleast Android has the option to use flash while iPhone OS doesn't.

Keep in mind its also in beta.
 
lilo777 said:
But you will be fine with all of this if/when Flash is replaced with <video>. Do I get it right?
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There, fixed that for you.

I admit, I am a fan of h.264. As a hobby I like to play around with video, and have found that using x264 I'm able to achieve the best quality video possible. I am one of those that feel that while not completely necessary I would prefer video be shown in the best possibly way it can be. If VP8/WebM can display video really well for things like youtube and specifically for mobile devices, and it doesn't cause massive overheating or slow downs at the cost of perceived "freedom" then sure, go for it. If, however, VP8/WebM is more of a "good enough because its 'free'" but not much beyond that, then I would see it as just another annoyance on the path to getting a standard codec for web video. I'm not a codec expect so won't even try to do a comparison.

Regardless, I'm more for the <video> tag which would allow a content provider to serve up multiple formats of the video. Depending on what codecs the user has installed, the content provider can define what the priority of each version should be used.
 
Marvin1379 said:
Awesome...give it a couple days. after those 1900 ppl actually see their normal browsing experience change, there will be more ppl to give it a true rating. now it's just the idea of flash on their nexus1. they haven't truly gotten the full use of it yet.
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I'd rather go on what I know now than your speculation but thanks for worrying. ;)

1 question, why would those 1900+ people rate it before using it?
 
Compile 'em all said:
Choices are not good.

Your mum/dad won't understand what that "choice" even means.

Apple doesn't develop products for nerds.
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most of the people i've met who had droids weren't nerds, lawyers. they wanted multi-tasking and now they will keep buying Android phones to surf the entire internet

even a lot of the geeks are going to Android and away from iPhone now
 
Marvin1379 said:
Awesome...give it a couple days. after those 1900 ppl actually see their normal browsing experience change, there will be more ppl to give it a true rating. now it's just the idea of flash on their nexus1. they haven't truly gotten the full use of it yet.
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Android users on average being much more tech savvy than iPhone one, I am sure they will know that turning Flash off for normal browsing resolves any potential issues while they still can enjoy Flash for viewing Hulu etc.
 
lilo777 said:
Did you miss today's reports about Android 2.2 users watching Hulu on their phones? They enjoy Flash while some mac fanboys waste time supporting their leader in quest against Flash.
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Mac fanboys, leader, quest against Flash??? Did you play too many quests in game? Or are these some crazy things you watch by flash? :)
 
Marvin1379 said:
Awesome...give it a couple days. after those 1900 ppl actually see their normal browsing experience change, there will be more ppl to give it a true rating. now it's just the idea of flash on their nexus1. they haven't truly gotten the full use of it yet.
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I imagine that there is significant overlap between the people berating early iPad sales as a function of overzealous fanboys and the people claiming that the early number of flash downloads and positive comments is proof that flash is incredible, a great use expereience, and durable on mobile devices.
 
I bet Google don't give a DAMN about user choice, compatibility or "The Full Web™". It's very simple: Today Flash is instrumental for serving web ads. Google does ads. Do the math.

...I simply don't care. The user already has a choice: get an iPhone or get an Android. I'm happy without flash.
 
mtwilford said:
WOW - here we go :rolleyes:

I just believe that no company, government or anyone else should decide what is best for me. Can't we choose to run flash or not on our device. If, flash is that bad then it will die it's on death in due time.
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So what you're saying is that its wrong for Apple to not want a particular piece of software with a long history of issues on their platform from running on a device that they support?

However, its right for you to tell Apple that they HAVE to allow this problematic software onto their device, just so you can choose to not use it. Meanwhile all those that don't know better and keep the software enabled place unnecessary support calls to Apple, and then talk about how bad the iPhone is because it overheats, is slow, and gets poor battery life whenever they visit hulu or play farmville, or how their favorite web game doesn't work because of the "stupid" iPhone (and not because the author of the game designed it to be used with a keyboard and mouse).
 
mtwilford said:
WOW - here we go :rolleyes:

I just believe that no company, government or anyone else should decide what is best for me. Can't we choose to run flash or not on our device. If, flash is that bad then it will die it's on death in due time.
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If companies don't decide for you, we would still be using VHS tapes.
 
ChazUK said:
It's the top downloaded item in Android Market free apps section. 10,000 to 50,000 downloads.
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Is that a lot? It's a lot less than one percent of all Android users. How many Android 2.2 users are there?
 
Marvin1379 said:
This is what the evolution of technology is...where's BetaMax nowadays? How about HD-DVD? Hmmmm...they died bc some executive or engineer choose another directio
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People still shoot with beta today, beta moved to the professional side while VHS moved to the consumer. As far ad HD DVD is concerned blu Ray won becau the hundred of millions given in bribes to Fox and Warner Brothers.
 
mrochester said:
With Flash heading to the many millions of current and future Android owners, I think Flash is going to be around for a lonnnnggggg time yet. Personally, I don't think Stevie should have any authority over the future of Flash. He should stick to his own walled garden and leave the decision about other products to someone else.
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I fail to see your point. That's exactly what he's doing.... looking after this products. Just so happens the decision of banning Flash sends shockwaves throughout the world.

I would actually like to see the "click to flash" approach, too. No reason why Adobe couldn't develop a "Flash Player" app that runs outside the browser. User taps the Flash element on a page and they're taken to the app, just like what now happens with YouTube videos.

This would provide separation between the browser and Flash, while users would be able to use Flash apps and watch Flash video.

But then we have that "unauthorized runtime" scenario that Apple doesn't want because it competes with their Cocoa frameworks and degrades the user experience on their devices.

Tough one. I can see why Apple made their decision and is sticking to it.
 
Swift said:
"Hopefully it'll get better still." Snort.
Three years later, with processors many times faster and much more system memory, optimized web browsing, and this is what they can do. The Froyo browser is faster, it seems. But it squanders all that, and is often slower than Mobile Safari, and much clunkier in scrolling, unintentional clicking, etc., just so it can play Flash.
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Heck, my money is with HTML5/Video/Canvas/Whatever being READY and WIDESPREAD before flash is debugged towards usability, hardware catches up, or both. Making the user pay with hardware what should have been smooth on software to start with. The Adobe way.

Swift said:
Why do you think it will actually get better? THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT ACTS IN BROWSERS ON DESKTOPS! Your page won't load? Flash ads. You have a YouTube video on the page? Well, wait for it. All this pandering by Google for an old and stupid technology that we don't need anymore.
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Time to move on. Apple is biting the bullet here for us all. And the rewards will be big.
 
dwd3885 said:
The Nexus One isn't on Verizon, so that poll there isn't really saying anything about the Nexus One.
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But it is available on other networks, yet it's the iPhone they're waiting for, not the Nexus one...

What part of that didn't compute?
 
ivladster said:
Yeah Google, turns out people DON'T want Flash on Mobile Phones.
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Yup; I guess you speak for everyone.

I want Flash on MY phone, and apparently so do a lot of other people.

I don't come to your place of work and tell you what kind of oil to use on the fries; don't tell me what technology I can or can't use on MY phone.
 
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