Maybe all those issues with iPhone X are due to all to much power in the hands of Jony Ive and Tim Cook are afraid of standing up agaist his more and more crazy solutions both in hardware and software....
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Well Chris Pirillo Absolutely Roasts the X's UI
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Maybe all those issues with iPhone X are due to all to much power in the hands of Jony Ive and Tim Cook are afraid of standing up agaist his more and more crazy solutions both in hardware and software....
As much as I want an iPhone X, I have to admit Chris is totally on point with his criticisms. I can see the guy leaving the Apple train.
If he does then Apple have really changed as a company because I can remember watching his videos when he loved their stuff.
If he does then Apple have really changed as a company because I can remember watching his videos when he loved their stuff.
I was going to go point by point to agree, disagree, and/or comment on your very lengthy but thought out post, but I opted to keep things simple.
First let me apologize for my harsh words, though I do believe in how the message is relayed is just as important to what the message is. Yet I think I could have worded my response a bit differently.
Secondly, to sum up my response to your post here.
I think Apple is getting a pass on a poor design, though we are seeing a lot of people, complain about it, so I don't think you're the lone voice in the wilderness crying out about the sins of apple. I do think apple is getting a pass from too many people, but they did when they rolled out the apple watch with its overly complex UI (I'm an AW owner, but its un-apple like in its lack of simplicity). I also think apple will sell a ton of these phones and in all likelihood will not move to diminish the notch in software.
I've said this before, in various threads, but I think its germane to the discussion, gone are the days when Apple executives would whip out a jewelers loupe to examine each pixel's placement. That level of attention to details and design has left apple and compromises into the design has crept in.
I usually don't watch this guy because his voice totally irritates me, but he's absolutely right about the ugly perma-notch. Design decisions at Apple are questionable.
The notch actually looks better here.
I think that's point that Pirillo was making in his video, a simple change to OS can minimize and hide the notches affectively but yet apple is seemingly and baffling embracing the notch.
I remember the days when people constantly accused him of being an iSheep and he would go on and on ranting about similar issues with Android. Look where we are now. Android has come a long way. If it wasn't for the fact that buying an Android phone means no meaningful OS updates after a year or two and the lack of tight integration between apps across devices (Apple really nailed that), I'd be more than happy to switch back to Android. As much as I love my Apple products, I feel no loyalty to Apple. Not these days at least. If you had asked me that question 2-3 years ago, my answer might have been different.
I do not believe they are baffled. Not for one NY minute. Their rationale? Unknown. I like “the notch”, but that’s me.
No, I'm baffled as to why they're embracing it. I'm not saying the apple execs are baffled. It makes no sense and that's the point
I missed his point with all that whining. Never been a fan of Chris but respect his videos. I'm totally not against the notch.
Also it gives the phone more screen. They have to place the camera and sensors somewhere right? The only other alternative is how the others do it.
Agreed, and that's not a bad thing. I don't know if apple is falling into the not invented by us, so we'll not use it mentality but others embraced the non-notch design simply because it works and looks a lot nicer.
No matter how you slice it, apple is playing catch up, the iPhone X does not represent innovation at the highest level. Granted their facial recognition is a better implementation, but Samsung has it, windows had it years before either of them. Wireless charging has been out so long that we have the QI standard, yet only now we find Apple embracing it. I also think how android handles the virtual button better then apple's swiping, it seems to be a more elegent solution over Apple's - just my $.03
I usually don't watch this guy because his voice totally irritates me, but he's absolutely right about the ugly perma-notch. Design decisions at Apple are questionable.
I like the one on the left - gives a more spacious feel and you still get the same amount of content on screen. Although really it isn’t a 5.8” screen because I can’t see the ears being usable for anything other than status. I guess it saves you needing a slice off the top for the status bar
Landscape is less pretty and I think needs work. Having huge soft bezels is not a good look.
I don't like the notch either and I'd rather see it hidden if possible, but perhaps it's simply not doable. Maybe they tried to come up with software solutions like or similar to the ones suggested and during testing, those solutions turned out to be even more problematic than simply embracing it. Just because something looks good in theory, there's no guarantee that it's going to look good in reality (and vice versa). I have a feeling that even if you do try to hide it with software, you're still going to see the notch because the reflection of the display is going to be different from that of the notch and you can still see the sensors housed in the notch. We can conveniently hide it in mock up screenshots, but in real life I have a feeling it's still going to be quite visible and the attempt at hiding it may make it stand out even more. At that point, you're left with two choices. Embrace it or send the whole hardware design back to the drawing board. Unfortunately, I think they simply ran out of time.
Not trying to defend Apple here, but no - not if your goal is to create an edge-to-edge display with those classic rounded corners found on Apple devices. You need to put those sensors and speaker somewhere, so you have to pick your poison. They picked the notch over a slim top and bottom bezel. If they had picked the bezel solution though, rest assured that we would have had people complaining about there still being huuuuge bezels (heck, some people are still complaining about what little is left on the X) and it looking completely like any Android phone. You just can't please everybody. It's not possible. So my guess is that they decided to embrace the notch (call 'em lazy if you want), hoping that it'll become a recognizable defining iPhone feature that people in time will view as an endearing little flaw rather than this hideous attention drawing perma-turd floating over our content, mocking our desire for symmetry.
With good reason. Apple itself isn't sure iPhone X will sell - hence the concurrent introduction of the conventional 8 and 8+ as a backup plan.
It's even stranger they're keeping the 7, 7+, 6s, 6s+ and SE around. I could understand the entry-level SE, but all the others suggests they have little confidence in their newest phone. It's a muddled message. Uncharecteristically Apple.
(EDIT: Changed '6, 6+' to '6s, 6s+')
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You don't need to care, but if you watch 1700 in for 5 min, you will realise the poor design decision they made especially in landscape mode.
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That is horrific......
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There lies the difference between Jobs and Cook. Cook asks Jony what the profit margin will be, Jobs goes on a massive rant on how someone thinks that permaturd notch is acceptable....and tells them to solve it!!
I'm waiting for WWDC2018. This time it will focus on the phone and all the changes iOS 12 will bring for the iPhone X. Very sure of this since half of Apple will wonder what train wreck this release is.
It's a nice design but wierd. Since the phone doesn't really have the AR apps going yet and I don't take selfies seriously my 7+ will work fine for another year. I'm sure X2 or iOS will improve tremendously on what we get in November.
It's a nice design but wierd. Since the phone doesn't really have the AR apps going yet and I don't take selfies seriously my 7+ will work fine for another year. I'm sure X2 or iOS will improve tremendously on what we get in November.
Take that phone, it's design, put the apple finishing touches, with high quality stainless steel etc and put them side by side and ask apple fans which is the apple product, I'm prepared to say most will say the X is the Samsung, cause of the notch, and apple would never do such a silly compromise and lack of attention to detail.
I find it interesting that people continue to focus on the messenger rather than the message, perhaps because the message makes many uneasy due to its truth. For what it is worth, Chris Pirillo is a very smart guy and I fondly remember watching him on Tech TV in the early 2000s.
Can I blame us? The consumers? Seriously, innovation can at times bottleneck and the market demands something new which is some quarters equates to gimmicky type tech just so they can splash it as cutting edge. This isn't just about Apple. Smartphones are so ridiculously powerful, that for the most part they are overpowered. Add into the mix the consumers necessity to want to upgrade every single year just for reasons of vanity (come on, we know it's mostly to do with that...well sort of kinda). We're in this place now where even Jobs might have struggled. Although I tend to think he's have stripped it all back. Somehow.
Personally, we need new phones every year. You don't need to upgrade every year either. But thanks to cycles, people will do this and the companies will profit and we win as consumers because our desire and hunger feeds them to keep designing. But perspective is still distorted to a degree.
I do think because of the sheer amount of software innovations and UI and UX, it isn't comparable to the days of Job when things were very more minimal. Different eras, modern errors.
Personally, we need new phones every year. You don't need to upgrade every year either. But thanks to cycles, people will do this and the companies will profit and we win as consumers because our desire and hunger feeds them to keep designing. But perspective is still distorted to a degree.
I do think because of the sheer amount of software innovations and UI and UX, it isn't comparable to the days of Job when things were very more minimal. Different eras, modern errors.
Bottom line and quick point. The brand new all next generation iPhone X looks very silly running iOS 11.
I've thought Apple has needed a major UI refresh since iOS 9, but now with the iPhone X more than ever. iOS 11 just looks super dated running on the X.
It would be like Samsung, releasing the Note 8, running Gingerbread era Touchwiz from years ago.
I hope Apple looks the other way, and allows a Jailbreak for the X, because it desperately needs major tweaks. I mean come in Apple you finally have an OLED screen, but still have white EVERYWHERE. The X is screaming for a stock dark mode option.
All of my smartphones last couple years are running a dark theme, or the iPhone I had briefly last year was JB'd running the Eclipse tweak. It's not to be cool, it's because a dark theme is just easier on the eyes, not blinding white all the time.
I've thought Apple has needed a major UI refresh since iOS 9, but now with the iPhone X more than ever. iOS 11 just looks super dated running on the X.
It would be like Samsung, releasing the Note 8, running Gingerbread era Touchwiz from years ago.
I hope Apple looks the other way, and allows a Jailbreak for the X, because it desperately needs major tweaks. I mean come in Apple you finally have an OLED screen, but still have white EVERYWHERE. The X is screaming for a stock dark mode option.
All of my smartphones last couple years are running a dark theme, or the iPhone I had briefly last year was JB'd running the Eclipse tweak. It's not to be cool, it's because a dark theme is just easier on the eyes, not blinding white all the time.
When has Apple ever been first with anything? This is the same old tired argument we hear every year. So and so did it first. Where is the evidence that the general non techie consumer cares about that?
My iPhone 7+ was the first phone I had since the 3g I didn't jailbreak I just kept waiting and the one version that was able to I upgraded and didn't realize. Thats besides the point.
I also think the X is the first phone in the last few years that really really needs a jailbreak. It will make apple see what actual quality developers can do with the hardware since they don't seem to hire any competent designers for software and they end up copying all the designs from jailbreaking over the years its seems.
Hopefully its jailbreakable soon and people can make this phone much better
There’s no reason to upgrade outside of camera tech and that goes for pretty much every smartphone on the market. But the camera is a big deal so lots of people will upgrade just for that.
You all don't get it. Apple embraces the notch so much because it's iconic. You need the notch to see from distance, that it is an iPhone. Simple as that.