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Well Chris Pirillo Absolutely Roasts the X's UI
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No it's not. It's another spoilt brat armchair engineer assuming he knows what's possible and what's not, and assuming he knows the functionality of a phone he's never even seen.
I loathe these shouty, preachy vloggers telling everyone else what they should be thinking. Who cares what he thinks?
You obviously. I like it clearly. I never tasted cat piss either but I know I won't like it. That's the thing, you already know what you'll get in the next iPhone, more of the same old
Except that's not true of the X. I honestly think some people just set out to dislike things. Maybe that's what brings in views.
Apple isn’t the most valuable country in the world for no reason.......they know what the iPhone X is, and they know why most of us will buy huge figures of them.
If it’s truly bad technology - and any company can slip up - then sales will slow, numbers will fall and satisfaction will be down.
So in that case, we’ll soon see if it really is as stupid as some of the people here think. But I have an itch that it’ll be a runaway success.
If it’s truly bad technology - and any company can slip up - then sales will slow, numbers will fall and satisfaction will be down.
So in that case, we’ll soon see if it really is as stupid as some of the people here think. But I have an itch that it’ll be a runaway success.
broken clock is right once a day.
only short sighted idiots couldn't see the ipad would be a hit. i made a bet with a mate who said it would fail that he'd own one within a year. he got it 1-2 weeks earlier than that.
however, the notch is a completely stupid idea. anyone who thinks it's great is just a mindless fanboy. there is a huge number of ui fails with it already. apple's developer advice of "embrace the notch" is mind bendingly stupid.
it's a dumb idea, and the tragedy is that nobody at apple seems to have the balls to call it that way.
steve would have seen the different levels of ui fail, called it garbage and sent it back to the drawing board.
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they're riding on the success of the early 2010s. they've had a number of fumbles recently; apple tv is half baked, the butterfly switch keyboard is suffering chronic reliability problems, the iphone x notch, the mac pro situation, the dragging feet on official thunderbolt e gpu support (has been possible via hacks and worked well since 2011-2012), the current state of the mac pro, etc.
i still think that apple offer the best overall user experience vs the competition but jeez... theyre totally screwing things up lately. if they don't stop making stupid decisions like this soon they WILL lose ground soon.
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You really need to grow up and realize YOUR opinion is just that, an opinion, just because you find this notch stupid does not mean everyone does. We finally have a bezel-less phone and they had to put in a small notch to put in the cameras and sensors, bfd, if you dislike it so much go buy a Samsung.
Just because people don’t care about does mean we are “stupid”, “mindless fanboys”, or “have no balls”. What bothers me most of all is the price, and that they ditched the beautiful black colors after one year and brought back the boring dingy greys. If I do get one I will be getting one of those skins for the back.
What’s funny is people pulled their hair out just like you are now over the headphone jack, and it was nearly impossible to find an iPhone 7 for a month due to the insane demand. The notch in short time will become like a rear view mirror in your car, you know it’s there but while you’re focused on the road driving it’s like it’s not there, same will happen with this notch while you’re immersed in content.
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putting the cameras and stuff there is fine.
wrapping the screen around it so that it breaks the ui and video has a cut out in it is stupid.
they did NOT have to do that, and went out of their way to enable that.
if they were to reserve that area of the screen for the system only (not exposed as available screen to applications), that would have been fine.
but when you have stuff like scrollbars and ui elements being hidden behind it, and a big black cut out over your landscape video, that is just plain bad, immersion breaking stupidity. i'm amazed that it passed QA.
OMG NO BEZEL is not a legitimate reason to deliver such a broken display.
wrapping the screen around it so that it breaks the ui and video has a cut out in it is stupid.
they did NOT have to do that, and went out of their way to enable that.
if they were to reserve that area of the screen for the system only (not exposed as available screen to applications), that would have been fine.
but when you have stuff like scrollbars and ui elements being hidden behind it, and a big black cut out over your landscape video, that is just plain bad, immersion breaking stupidity. i'm amazed that it passed QA.
OMG NO BEZEL is not a legitimate reason to deliver such a broken display.
I follow his channel. Have for years. He uses an Apple Watch and iPhone 7+ and speaks well of them both.
He was called an Apple Fanboy for a hell of a long time, probably until he took issue with aspects of iOS 7.
And he's also said he's probably getting an iPhone 8+.
He just thinks the iPhone X has serious UX/UI issues, and he's right. It's glaring in fact and can't be missed.
Hell I like my Apple Watch, ordered a Series 3 replacement, and a 8+ to replace my 7+, and I wont go near an X because of the iffy hardware and software decisions, and will not be part of rewarding bad design.
Don't forget that at that point you're also losing the tops and bottoms from 16:9 video (about 18% of the video's height). This isn't a slight against the iPhone X, mind; this is the experience on any of these new smart phones with elongated displays.
Absolutely true. I doubt there would be as many concerns if there was an iPhone X Pro.
Native 16:9 on the iPhone X is going to be pretty small for someone coming from an iPhone Plus 5.5"
With a X Pro you could have a big display for native 16:9 content and avoid the notch completely.
This might have been shared in the thread already by I found this to be interesting. Former Apple engineer Bob Borrough.
https://twitter.com/bob_burrough/status/908549969379917824
His thesis is that Cook removed people who were passionate, mistaking passion for conflict when someone fought about a product. What's germane here imo is this
I think we've been seeing compromised products for some time and the notch in of itself is the byproduct.
I just think the apple of old, prior to Cook, would have sent the iPhone X back multiple times to get the design right, at least in relation to the notch. I truly believe this would not have happened under Jobs.
https://twitter.com/bob_burrough/status/908549969379917824
His thesis is that Cook removed people who were passionate, mistaking passion for conflict when someone fought about a product. What's germane here imo is this
I think we've been seeing compromised products for some time and the notch in of itself is the byproduct.
I just think the apple of old, prior to Cook, would have sent the iPhone X back multiple times to get the design right, at least in relation to the notch. I truly believe this would not have happened under Jobs.
That dude has emotional issues, deign shape isn't a big deal.
I thought his criticisms were spot on, and similar to what I've been saying as well.
I disagree. The only issue I see is the side bars that appear when surfing the net in landscape mode (which I personally never do) or play a game in landscape mode (again, not my bag). Aside from that, he's full of it. He just doesn't like the design and he's entitled to his opinion but most of what he spends 40 minutes talking about is knee-jerk, reactionary opinion that is gradually being proven wrong.
Does the notch get in the way of video with correct aspect ratio? No.
Does the notch eat into the vertical display to mess with the user experience? No.
Is Face ID inferior and already broken? No.
I've never heard of Chris Pirillo before this whiny video came out, but if this is anything to go by, he's not worth following.
They will get rid of the "notch" next year and call it a feature! HA!
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I've seen his videos before and while his style may be grating to some, his points are usually spot on imo.
I really enjoyed his commentary on the iPad Pro 12.9 vs. 10.5, in fact his videos on that helped with my own decision making on choosing the 10.5 Its not the only factor, but I found him to have some good insights.
Sure it will - human beings are great at adapting. Doesn't mean the notch still isn't ugly, unnecessary and a compromise that severely hampers the iOS user experience. Just because you get used to something doesn't make it right - you may get used to navigating around a roadblock, but that doesn't justify the roadblock being there or magically make it the norm.
TL;DR version "chill out there are always other options!" 
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Wow. i'm really concerned with people's emotional attachment to Apple. So you don't like something...don't buy it. Apple aren't holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy a product that they don't like. In fact, with the release of the 8/+ Apple are still giving people the choice. Don't like the notch? Get the 8. Want TouchID? Get the 8. Willing to give the advancement of tech a chance, sure then get the X.
The sales figures for the 8 vs the X will ultimately decide which direction Apple decide to take. They are a company like any other and ultimately need to answer to the shareholders. If (from all indications) a small minority buy the X over the 8, regardless of where Jony Ive's et al vision lay, it will have to change.
I appreciate people like Chris putting together these videos, as they help potential customers make an informed decision. But, there has to be something seriously wrong with people when they have an aneurism or heart failure because they don't like the way something has been designed.
If see something i don't like and its going to bother me that much, i won't buy it. I'll get something different or i'll just keep what i have. I'm not so emotionally attached to something in the "whole big picture of life" that it should cause me stress, i have a wife and a kid that does that for me.
And then there's people that complain about the cost of the X. Again, if I can't afford it, I won't buy it. I don't go around in my VW Golf complaining that the Ferrari i want is too expensive and "only an idiot would pay for it". I respect that people earn a living, and if they can afford the luxuries they want then good fortune to them, and I hope they enjoy what they paid for it. Thats it, i don't feel a need to bash them or question their tastes or sense of value. Theres obviously a market for these types of goods and as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. I don't ever recall there being a massive uproar about the price of Vertu phones (starting at £3000), and if anything Apple are still giving the choice of a cheaper handset that does 90% of the things that the flagship model does. Yes, £1000 is a lot of money for a device, and there are valid points for and against the cost (cost of advancing tech, materials, suppliers etc vs. Apple being greedy, only iSheep will pay that much for a handset etc). I work in IT, and if you ask me what is the one thing i use the most in my daily life, and without hesitation i would say "my iphone". Why shouldn't I be able to invest MY money that I worked hard for for something that I use on a very regular basis. (not saying i will, but just countering some arguments).
Seriously...chill out, take a break, spend some time with your family and/or friends and then realise what things you need to stress about and appreciate and what can take a back seat because, in the whole scheme of things, its meaningless.
(sorry for the rant)
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Wow. i'm really concerned with people's emotional attachment to Apple. So you don't like something...don't buy it. Apple aren't holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy a product that they don't like. In fact, with the release of the 8/+ Apple are still giving people the choice. Don't like the notch? Get the 8. Want TouchID? Get the 8. Willing to give the advancement of tech a chance, sure then get the X.
The sales figures for the 8 vs the X will ultimately decide which direction Apple decide to take. They are a company like any other and ultimately need to answer to the shareholders. If (from all indications) a small minority buy the X over the 8, regardless of where Jony Ive's et al vision lay, it will have to change.
I appreciate people like Chris putting together these videos, as they help potential customers make an informed decision. But, there has to be something seriously wrong with people when they have an aneurism or heart failure because they don't like the way something has been designed.
If see something i don't like and its going to bother me that much, i won't buy it. I'll get something different or i'll just keep what i have. I'm not so emotionally attached to something in the "whole big picture of life" that it should cause me stress, i have a wife and a kid that does that for me.
And then there's people that complain about the cost of the X. Again, if I can't afford it, I won't buy it. I don't go around in my VW Golf complaining that the Ferrari i want is too expensive and "only an idiot would pay for it". I respect that people earn a living, and if they can afford the luxuries they want then good fortune to them, and I hope they enjoy what they paid for it. Thats it, i don't feel a need to bash them or question their tastes or sense of value. Theres obviously a market for these types of goods and as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. I don't ever recall there being a massive uproar about the price of Vertu phones (starting at £3000), and if anything Apple are still giving the choice of a cheaper handset that does 90% of the things that the flagship model does. Yes, £1000 is a lot of money for a device, and there are valid points for and against the cost (cost of advancing tech, materials, suppliers etc vs. Apple being greedy, only iSheep will pay that much for a handset etc). I work in IT, and if you ask me what is the one thing i use the most in my daily life, and without hesitation i would say "my iphone". Why shouldn't I be able to invest MY money that I worked hard for for something that I use on a very regular basis. (not saying i will, but just countering some arguments).
Seriously...chill out, take a break, spend some time with your family and/or friends and then realise what things you need to stress about and appreciate and what can take a back seat because, in the whole scheme of things, its meaningless.
(sorry for the rant)
The fact that apple is telling developers not to hide the notch is telling. This really looks like it has the Marketing departments fingerprints all over it.
It seems like Apple wants people to recognize the X at the expense of user experience.
I don’t know about the notch, I would have to use the X to form an opinion.
It seems like Apple wants people to recognize the X at the expense of user experience.
I don’t know about the notch, I would have to use the X to form an opinion.
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Wow. I did not realize how bad some of the UI is. That landscape mode in safari...
This is an example of a critical piece done right:
Saf presents the facts as he sees them in an objective way and leaves his points open to discussion. He puts in some funny video inserts to make his points humorously, without bringing the drama himself or taking away from his own dignified demeanor. I leave the video feeling informed on his perspective without feeling like I should be bringing him a glass of water and a tranquilizer.
Edit to add that he is open to doing a companion piece on reasons in favor of buying the iPhone X. Whatever his personal conclusions on the matter, he is interested in presenting objective and subjective observations and allowing us to make our own decisions. I don't feel an attempt to be manipulated or "converted" to his particular viewpoint by any histrionics.
Saf presents the facts as he sees them in an objective way and leaves his points open to discussion. He puts in some funny video inserts to make his points humorously, without bringing the drama himself or taking away from his own dignified demeanor. I leave the video feeling informed on his perspective without feeling like I should be bringing him a glass of water and a tranquilizer.
Edit to add that he is open to doing a companion piece on reasons in favor of buying the iPhone X. Whatever his personal conclusions on the matter, he is interested in presenting objective and subjective observations and allowing us to make our own decisions. I don't feel an attempt to be manipulated or "converted" to his particular viewpoint by any histrionics.
i'd say that's a pretty likely cause.
steve jobs was an ******. just like bill gates used to be. but here's the rub: they both had a vision and were unwilling to compromise on that. both of them made strong decisions and were renowned for berating the hell out of anyone who wasnt onboard or attempted to pass off garbage as good enough.
politically corrrect? hell no. but it resulted in a final level of qa that just isn't present at either company today.
... and like Microsoft's products or not, in terms of their business decisions and ability to deliver software that was "good enough" and at least in line with business needs, Bill did a much, much better job than the current clowns running Microsoft. Bill's "vision" may or may not have been aligned with your average end user, but he did at least have a vision.
Right now, Microsoft is firing money in all directions, not committing to anything and just hoping something will stick, whilst a bunch of middle management yes-men will just agree with the rest of the club running the show rather than actually stick their neck out and call a crap idea a crap idea (see: the "Metro" UI in all its forms, "agile" development model where we're now having to try and deal with full OS refresh every 12-18 months in the enterprise, software QA has gone to complete crap - because they fired most of their QA team (wish i was kidding), etc.)
i'm beginning to think the same thing is happening at apple lately. you've got people with no idea about what people want to do with their hardware fiddling around the edges, changing little bits and pieces that don't really matter whilst things that actually matter get sidelined.
Cook is putting far too much trust in people who clearly don't know what they're doing (or to be fair: have no high level vision for the product as a cohesive whole), and its looking more and more like anyone who was, as mentioned above, controversial (i.e., passionate about getting things RIGHT, politics be damned) has been marginalised or pushed out of positions of importance.
don't get me wrong, i'm sure there's a heap of extremely intelligent people at apple. but the guys calling the shots right now are just making epic mistakes as of late.
as far as "Adapting" goes.... jeez... people adapt to living with paraplegia, AIDS or regular chemotherapy. it doesn't mean it's acceptable.
And while i'm at it.... Animoji. Seriously. An iphone X only feature. This is the best thing they could come up with to introduce with their new camera and processor technology. This is Apple floundering with no direction.
Reminds me of a quote steve made about Gil Amelio (?). Steve mentioned that Gil said to him: "apple is a sinking ship, and my job is to steer it in the right direction".
Well right now, there's not even anyone steering the ship. It's taking on water, and the leadership has no clue what to do.
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i mean seriously. go look up some interviews with Steve Jobs from the mid 90s. I'll go find one of them and link it. He had grand plans for not worrying about your data, basically having it all saved on a big server on the internet, and it all just magically works. He basically described the intent of icloud. in the mid 90s.
Can anyone honestly say that there is ANYONE at apple today who is tossing ideas around like that, that look to be 10-20 years out? Nope. They're stumbling blindly from year to year, basically tracking intel CPU updates and pursuing thin/light and again... fiddling around the edges.
I really hope they nail AR, and i think the apple software development platform might help them win that. But AR at this point is a no brainer. It's the future. Everyone is working on it and has been for several years now.
I can't remember if this is the video steve mentions the whole icloud thing, but it is also a demonstration of the thinking he had, that no one running things at apple currently appears to have... video is from 20 years ago... pre Windows 98.
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