maflynn
macrumors Haswell
Interesting video,
I liked what he said, and I paraphrase - standard features in other phones, are more expensive or not even included as part of the purchase, i.e., extra cost for fast charging.
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I liked what he said, and I paraphrase - standard features in other phones, are more expensive or not even included as part of the purchase, i.e., extra cost for fast charging.
While I don't think anyone likes the notch visually, sometimes the function trumps the form because of what it can do. Samsungs solution is good but then you have wasted app and video real estate for no other reason than to even things out. I personally think the phone is gorgeous and will definitely be picking up an X if I'm lucky enough to be one of the first people to get through in Oct.
Zaft
macrumors 601
Wasted space in what sense?
The fact that its dead screen real estate. I believe sometimes you have to embrace the design limitations of having all that hardware at the top of the phone. People are right that if Samsung did this people would be up in arms. However, Apple is doing this and people are up in arms still. So... there you go. But again I'm buying this phone as I think it's beautiful and I'm very much interested in the ML/AR stuff Apple packed into that notch.
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Well I for one don't own an Apple TV and I definitely prefer the butterfly keyboards over what was available before.
I was definitely skeptical of the FaceID solution and iPhone X in general but after having seen it and the iPhone X in the video demos I know I want one.
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throAU
macrumors G4
Good luck with your butterfly keyboard. I don't mind the typing action on them but after multiple people i have direct contact with having serious chronic issues with reliability on them, whilst using them in the same manner as previous macbook pro keyboards for 3-5+ years, it's a roll of the dice.
I guess I've been lucky with them because I've been using them for 2+ years since the retina MacBook came out. Now I have a 15" retina MBP and it works just fine. I can type fast on it without having to press so hard on the keys. I type faster on it. Everyone of my other co-workers that actually owns the new MBP has agreed that butterfly is better. They did note that it took some getting used to but after about a week most preferred it.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
Its not bad technology, but how Apple implements it.
Much of what the iPhone X has as features has been standard in other phones for years, edge to edge, fast charging, wireless charging, buttonless phones. yet what's standard on the android phones is a premium feature on the X. Heck, many android makers that have fast charging include everything you need for fast charging. Not so with apple, you need to plunk down another 80 bucks or so for that feature that is standard with others.
Apple is the most valuable company, but yet, the past few years have been anything but smooth for them. Focusing on profitability instead of making insanely great products has introduced compromises. Through in the fact that Cook endears working together vs. being passionate about specific design, means no one will speak up about a bad design.
Is Apple Doomed? no, will the X be a flop, no they'll sell a boat load no doubt.
throAU
macrumors G4
Exactly. As per one of the videos i posted above. Apple needs to consider "how can we make people's ownership experience better?" and then apply technology to the problem rather than what appears to be the current method of:
"We have this new tech, how can we stuff it in a device and make it obvious it has the new thing!"
Technology for technology's sake is not why people buy Apple gear. People (historically) have bought apple stuff because it offers a great user experience, the technology inside the box is irrelevant and may as well be voodoo magic for all they care.
Right now apple appears to be fiddling with new technology their engineering team have played with, trying to find a use for it, and trying to justify ramping the price up and stuffing it into a product (see: Mac touchbar, Animoji, butterfly keyboard, etc.).
"We have this new tech, how can we stuff it in a device and make it obvious it has the new thing!"
Technology for technology's sake is not why people buy Apple gear. People (historically) have bought apple stuff because it offers a great user experience, the technology inside the box is irrelevant and may as well be voodoo magic for all they care.
Right now apple appears to be fiddling with new technology their engineering team have played with, trying to find a use for it, and trying to justify ramping the price up and stuffing it into a product (see: Mac touchbar, Animoji, butterfly keyboard, etc.).
Edge to edge wasn't in phones for years. That's just a lie. Edge to edge has been available for the current iteration of smartphones...ie within the last year.
If you consider all implementations and functions the same I guess everything Apple has done existed before including the iPhone. You can say it's been done before but it really hasn't. Who was plopping 30k pixels on peoples faces and enabling AR to the point where emojis could mimick your facial expressions in real time. Who was doing TouchID where it would work instantly without having to open up any app before Apple did it...or couldn't be easily faked. Apple was first to market with Siri and look how that turned out. It ended up that Siri isn't nearly as good as Cortana and Google Now.
The bottom line is being first isn't all its cracked up to be and the implementation may not be very good and in most cases it is not as evidenced by Samsungs attempts to be first with both touchID and faceID and OLED. OLED ultimately worked out in the long run but only because Samsung invested so much into it.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
Perhaps I mis-used the term, but I was thinking of the S7 that has the curved display. I wasn't trying to lie.
Agreed, but when Apple promotes itself as it did during the keynot as innovative and marking leading designs, then you have to scratch your head. I'm not down on the iPhone X, but the pricing and what you get for the pricing does. My point is we're paying a premium price for technology that has by large been available for many years.
vartanarsen
macrumors 6502a
Sony experias are looking nice and nicer the more i research this ipHOne X 
I was just trying to point out that Apple actually did edge to edge in a timely fashion. It was likely always on the roadmap years ago. We are paying a premium price on technology but the implementation of the technology is significantly more complex than what others have done with it. Naturally it will cost more than Samsungs implementation of the technology. When has Samsung's iteration of a technology been better than Apple's implementation? Apples implementation almost always causes Samsung to rethink their own solutions.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
That's an easy one, their displays, infact that's what Apple uses Samsung their products (by and large).
Going back to the curved display that is just simply gorgeous as well.
No question, and I do love Apple designs - but the notch is a major egg that apple laid - at least that's my opinion.
throAU
macrumors G4
At the end of the day, "edge to edge" doesn't matter.
It's how the thing actually works, and this implementation of the edge to edge concept is just worse than the previous non edge-to-edge iphone displays. It gets the job done (i.e., displaying content and UI elements to the end user) WORSE.
It's how the thing actually works, and this implementation of the edge to edge concept is just worse than the previous non edge-to-edge iphone displays. It gets the job done (i.e., displaying content and UI elements to the end user) WORSE.
But Apple never used Samsung OLED displays in the iPhone before and only in recent years has Samsungs OLED displays surpassed the capabilities of LCD displays. On almost every measure save for a few like screen size and OLED, Samsung is the one changing to Apple's implementation.
The notch is not desirable but I didn't see how Apple would get around it. I personally don't like any of the solutions. I don't like Samsungs solution either. I don't even think it's a better compromise. The Note 8 reminds me of a Nokia phone with the Symbian OS from way back in the day.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
You're right, but they do use Samsung components, and for the X they are using their displays. Plus as I mentioned the curved display is stunning, and so I responded to your query of when Samsung's technology surpassed Apple's.
Not really. The side bars (that I'm not sure are unique to iPhone X) simply match the background of the web page. If you haven't change it from the standard white, you have your white bars. If you match it with the dominant color of your page, you solve the issue with two lines of html.
http://stephenradford.me/removing-the-white-bars-in-safari-on-iphone-x/
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I agree. I wanted to make clear that its rare. People act like Apple is just blindly copying Samsung stuff from years ago when in many cases Samsung just rushed out a feature Apple was rumored to be releasing to avoid being called a copy cat. OLED display is Apple releasing the same or a similar feature to what Samsung has already done. FaceID, and TouchID were significant upgrades over everything else that came before them.
yanki01
macrumors 68040
I don't think we'll ever know but i really want to know when and why they thought that having the notch was that or nothing or did they really think it was a genius idea? did everyone at the table during the design meeting choose that mock over others that were possibly presented? they honestly can't think that the notch looks great on the phone. they have to completely change gestures for a specific phone.
dk001
macrumors demi-god
Why not?
I definitely want to see how this looks in person before I decide. I took my current 7+ and did a mock of the notch to see what affects it may have on my current use apps. Both landscape and portrait. Fugly.
Ugh.
I hope there is an easy way for developers to "ignore" it.
TravisPNW
macrumors 6502a
He most definitely is. I'm upgrading from the 6s Plus and a lot of things he's pointing out are precisely why I chose the 8 Plus over the X.
I don't care about specs... I care about the experience... and the perma-turds are too much for me to ignore. The 8 Plus is the best choice for me. I like the bigger screen and Touch ID. I could give a rats about Face ID.
He's totally right about the Apple fanbois too... if Samsung put this out they'd be roasting it till the cows come home... but since Apple did it... it's the greatest smartphone ever.
LOL
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iScone
macrumors 6502
I think, if you look around, you'll find many people consider this to be imperfect but perfectly fine. It's really a lazy attitude to stereotype people who disagree with you, but I guess being juvenile is what gets the viewing figures in. Sigh.