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Well Chris Pirillo Absolutely Roasts the X's UI

Rogifan said:
I’m sorry that’s just BS. This Face ID tech is not something just cobbled together last minute because they couldn’t get Touch ID embedded in the display. John Gruber confirmed that Apple has been all in on Face ID as Touch ID replacement for over a year now. I love Touch ID but the tech behind Face ID will have much wider applications than a fingerprint sensor does. It’s possible Apple was aiming for both for 2FA but I’d be very surprised if a fingerprint sensor ever comes to the X.I think Apple has moved on.

What’s the point of removing bezels if they just get replaced with software bezels?
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It's my opinion based on everything that was reported online. Not my fault if you think it's BS. Think what you want. Enjoy your permaturd.
 
Ok, lets dig into this a little deeper to make an interesting discussion. Let me start by asking this:
What is the padding issue?
 
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JohnApples said:
I hope that 2 things happen:

1) Tons of larger developers refuse to "embrace" the notch and make the top of their apps black to blend in.

2) The notch becomes a viral meme and people start blocking out the sides of the videos/pictures to poke fun at Apple.

That would be hilarious IMO and would hopefully elicit a response from Apple.

On another note, I really hope there's a setting to make that "home bar" disappear. I know that swiping up from the bottom now takes me home. I don't need to be reminded at all times.
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I would really like to see something like this, but nobody is brave enough to make Apple mad. If you're a developer and you do something that Apple doesn't like, then your app can mysteriously disappear from the App Store. If you're a journalist (or a big media like The Verge) and write something bad about Apple, you might not get their attention anymore. In both cases, you can lose a ton of money, viewers and people who used to collaborate with you. So it's on us customers to let our voices heard, that means to stop buying Apple products. There's sadly no other solution to this.
 
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ChrisPirillo said:
  1. I know I'm largely irrelevant, annoying, and in need of video editing skills. Let's just get that out of the way, shall we? Remove me from the equation, please. I'm a relative nobody. This isn't about ego. Don't talk about me. Talk about THIS. Please. I'm not getting paid for this. I just want products that I want, not products that I'm told to want.
  2. I'm actively pushing the conversation around iPhone X forward because it seems that NO OTHER APPLE / TECH MEDIA OUTLET OR PUNDIT IS GIVING IT THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES. All I see are nerds falling over themselves over this spec and that spec while glossing over the glaring issues that can't be mitigated so easily in software. And, keep in mind...
  3. A product from Apple is perceivably more than just a single piece of hardware - it's hardware that works well with well-implemented software (design, features) inside a seamless ecosystem of experiences to create a cohesive (well polished, well executed) experience in an archipelago of devices. If you remove usability from the equation in any of them, the ecosystem breaks. If you remove beautiful, intelligible software design from any of them, the reason you were probably were drawn to Apple in the first place is moot. Without a cohesive user experience (UX) you have a completely worthless piece of hardware.
  4. Solid hardware running on poorly-optimized software is a product that "the others" get made fun of for making. Specs, in this sense, become irrelevant. User Experience (UX) isn't a feature you can easily document in marketing materials. You can have the world's fastest unusable device for bragging rights, I suppose?
  5. We didn't just get this iPhone X nightmare overnight. Apple has been directionless with software design since the first beta of iOS 7. It never gets better with revisions. It never gets addressed with revisions. We just see more features piled on top of as-of-yet-polished features. The result is a cacophony of well-documented slop (misaligned elements, dropped frames in scrolls, unpolished animations, et al). DO NOT EXPECT APPLE TO FIX THIS IN SOFTWARE.
  6. This is not a tempest in a teapot - this is intended to be Apple's new direction. If that doesn't wake you up, then I'm not so sure you're someone who appreciates what a good user interface or user experience can be. Certainly, the UI & UX experts I've been following for some time recognize this as a train wreck for 'n' reasons. Unless they're so invested in their belief in what Apple once was that they can't see that this emperor has no clothes.
  7. If Apple is pushing the notch (as seen in their developer documentation) as a key visible differentiator, then they're suggesting that UX and UI are taking a back seat to visuals that serve no purpose in the device's function. They key differentiator between an iPhone and a not-iPhone has not been the hardware so much as it has been the software. App developers can only do what they do because Apple created a foundation suitable for them.
  8. Developers are going to catch hell for this, not Apple. They're going to see the complaints, not Apple. You can only mitigate the brackish nature of "the notch" only so much. You can't hide it in every app with Apple's intended approach to the problem that they created. Then, even if you do, there's the software-rendered, center-bottom swipe indicator that may still be ever-present.
  9. You're using a "full screen" iPhone that doesn't truly give you the full screen.
  10. Apple's coasting on cultural laurels in the hopes that people will just learn to love it... just like Sinofsky felt about Windows 8. Mind you, I did my best to warn people about that UX disaster with a video on the first Consumer Preview Edition (with my dad, somewhat famously, trying to use it for the first time). Apple is using the memory of Steve Jobs on this anniversary to further push a vision that is fundamentally antithetical to Steve's memory.
  11. It is not a question of whether or not the iPhone X will flop. In fact, it probably won't. People don't know what they want, and they're accustomed to good experiences from Apple. Instead, iPhone X is a flop by design. Just because more people buy it doesn't mean that it was a well done product. Popularity is never an indicator of quality.
  12. This is not a matter of having a wait-and-see approach. If you can't see what is clearly visible in Apple's very own demos and documentation before having the device in-hand, there's no hope. This is a fundamental matter of usability outright - this is not a question. The OLED screen will be amazing, and amazingly stunted by an unsymmetrical inclusion. Even in portrait mode, it stands out (as does the lower software pill) - and not in a good way.
  13. Don't justify your decision to buy the iPhone X by minimizing its glaring oversights or dismissing absolutes. You're not doing yourself any favors. If you accept this simply because it's what Apple has made for you, then you're not doing yourself any favors. You deserve a better product from Apple. Listen to the people who are trying to make it better FOR you. Demand it when you plunk down YOUR money on ANYTHING.
  14. Let me put it to you this way: if you thought the camera lens bump was an issue, or that the lack of a headphone jack was a problem, then this is magnitudes worse. You can ignore the bump, you can ignore the lack of a port, but you simply cannot ignore the screen, software design, or usability.
  15. I've wasted so much of my time, energy, and patience on these matters - and I'm the least qualified person to be pushing back in the first place. The iPhone X is not a usable device by nature. This is not a product worthy of the Apple logo. I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm frustrated, and I'm tired of the excuses that media or community provides simply because they want continued access to Apple. I will never be invited to speak with someone. I will never be invited to help make these products better. I will never be welcomed by those whose livelihoods depend on me believing in a vision that I find lacking.
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Here's the issue. in 2 months

"I kind of like the notch now"
"Notch doesn't bother me anymore"
"I don't even notice the notch anymore"

Also Chris Pirillo is the same one who said this: https://medium.com/swlh/what-the-tech-reviewers-aren-t-telling-you-about-the-iphone-5245b305d7ab

that the "frame rate issue" is a DOOM for iPhone 6S plus

did it happen? No

no one cares now and they didn't before because it was nitpicking to the nth degree. He even admits he hates iOS moves from 7-11. He admits he doesn't use iPhones , well many other people do use iPhones and have lived with it and liked it.

This is also Pirillo: https://twitter.com/chrispirillo/status/781972246097043456?lang=en "iOS 10 is Apple's windows Vista"

This is also Pirillo: https://twitter.com/chrispirillo/status/777286187262152704?lang=en "I finallyy saw an iPhone 7 and 7 Plus and the iOS frame rate is as disgusting as ever"

This is also Pirillo: https://medium.com/@chrispirillo/the-real-toxic-hellstew-is-apple-s-software-quality-822f85024b57

"Apple Software quality is toxic" " Software performance and polish are extinct in Apple today"


I mean...look at the history. Just because you don't like it and many others agree doesn't mean most won't embrace it. this is disruption. You have to wait and see how disruption works before you comment and complain
 
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Nik said:
Ok, lets dig into this a little deeper to make an interesting discussion. Let me start by asking this:
What is the padding issue?
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For years I’ve noticed UI elements snapping slightly into place (sometimes). The problem used to be much worse in that it occurred much more often. And I’m only talking about Apple’s apps.

In iOS 11, I still see random alignment issues when Safari is in landscape mode on an iPhone 7. In older OSes I’ve seen this on a 6 and 6+.

I don’t think most people care or notice, but I do. Alignment issues still occur in Mail and Safari on iOS11. Buttons minutely snapping into place I don’t think happens on iOS11 anymore (Maybe). I’ve had to condition myself to ignore these ugly bugs. This snapping into place was most evident when opening an app for the first time on OSes prior to iOS 11. I recall this mess first started with the major redesign in iOS 7.
 
blackberrycubed said:
what an absolute **** show from apple.

Steve jobs rolled in his grave after seeing the iphone X and muttered "wish I had left Tim Coc.k selling the sugared water".
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I think you have the wrong guy.
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bnekic said:
The notch isn’t a big deal and everyone will forget about it 10min into using the phone
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I'm not so sure about that. If you peruse enough phone forums, you find out that everyone has OCD. They'll tell you!:D
 
It's strange and I don't quite know why but the X isn't giving me the tingles. I always want the next iphone that hits my upgrade cycle and it feels like a jump from the last one. There is too much lingering doubt. Then again, some might argue that we (at least I should) have faith in Apple considering I've been happy with every phone I've owned since the 3GS. So perhaps the X is a leap of faith and those doubts will disappear. Yet I'm honestly think I'm better off waiting another year to see how they revise it next time round. From the looks of it, the notch will still be present but perhaps Dark Theme will also swagger in to the rescue.

The reality is, the hype is dead. It's dead because we have everything we want and more so much so that we almost demand innovation when there is little room left for it. Seriously a top tier smart phone from any given manufacturer is as good as the one next to it. Probably. So it does come down to the little things. The OS or the cosmetic look or the way it feels in the hand.

Really thinking about it, if I place aside the fact that I really like touch ID and the X is a first generation and I always opt for a 'S' variant...the single thing killing the buzz for me is the notch.

So is this vanity or is it really a UI experience issue? I'm thinking the latter and until it's convincingly proven otherwise.
 
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I'm excited for those that are excited about the iPhone X but in a word just NO. I don't like the notch, or the price. Apple didn't do themselves any favors on this design. At any rate, if you love the phone then far be it from me to hinder your enjoyment. To each his own.
 
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Absrnd said:
We all know that hate video's are getting more popular then boring video's telling the same amazing things over and over again, in those hands-on vids.
and now even faking a UI vid is normal, and is believed by many.

I just know that most notch-haters just can't afford the X, they need confirmation for their hate, and that's fine, venting your frustration because of this is a bit immature,
lets see what happens when the X is released in Nov, I predict it's going to be a very popular model, and maybe the most popular :rolleyes:

But I think in Nov we'll be up to our ears with bending, dropping and drowning vids of the X :)
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What poor form to say that! I absolutely love the notch and I don't know whether I can afford it or not. I think the design is unique and I can totally understand if someone doesn't like it. I would have not even considered buying the 'X' if the notch had been white. I think these things are all down to personal taste but to put it down to someone's affordability sounds like desperation to prove your point.

I do feel that the iPhone X will shatter all previous sales records of the past. Is it a fair price? Am I getting enough phone for my money? Not in my opinion. I don't think the prices of most apple products are justified. Is the bump in price justifiable to the price of the launch of the iPhone 7? Absolutely.

As far as the UI and UX are concerned- I will reserve judgement till the phone is released and I see a few trusted reviews.
 
Moneoa said:
A moron trying desperately to make his opinions valid. Im sure with all his ideas he can make a better phone and beat apple at its own game
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hasanahmad said:
Here's the issue. in 2 months

"I kind of like the notch now"
"Notch doesn't bother me anymore"
"I don't even notice the notch anymore"

Also Chris Pirillo is the same one who said this: https://medium.com/swlh/what-the-tech-reviewers-aren-t-telling-you-about-the-iphone-5245b305d7ab

that the "frame rate issue" is a DOOM for iPhone 6S plus

did it happen? No

no one cares now and they didn't before because it was nitpicking to the nth degree. He even admits he hates iOS moves from 7-11. He admits he doesn't use iPhones , well many other people do use iPhones and have lived with it and liked it.

This is also Pirillo: https://twitter.com/chrispirillo/status/781972246097043456?lang=en "iOS 10 is Apple's windows Vista"

This is also Pirillo: https://twitter.com/chrispirillo/status/777286187262152704?lang=en "I finallyy saw an iPhone 7 and 7 Plus and the iOS frame rate is as disgusting as ever"


I mean...look at the history. Just because you don't like it and many others agree doesn't mean most won't embrace it. this is disruption. You have to wait and see how disruption works before you comment and complain
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Chris’s criticisms are on point. These types of things need to be addressed by Apple customers or the company will continue to release products with low standards. They released a phone that obstructs a chunk of the screen FFS. If that’s acceptable to you than no wonder Apple lowered their standards, clearly they can make money off of people who will buy a product they can only sort of use.
Apple fan or not, I think Chris deserves a lot of thanks for taking the time to address these issues in an articulate way.
 
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I can guarantee you all this. The Notch will be embraced en-masse and I will give it a month. there will be holdovers like Chris but it will become the LOOK of the future iPhones .
 
NiCk- said:
People literally begged for a no-bezels phone and now that Apple has given them one they start demanding black-bars. Humans tend to find happiness I guess in the things that they don't have. When they get what they want, they immediately want something else.

This Pirillo guy created a 40 minute video where in the 8 minutes that I've seen (from 17:00 to 25:00) he repeats the same thing over and over again. Why he has 340k subscribers is beyond me.

The notch is not ideal but it's the compromise for a no-bezels phone. Software can be fixed and most probably will in the near future but the notch will be there so try to get used to it. If you can't, then return it and buy something else. The iPhone 8 or other flagship Android phones are amazing phones and guess what, they don't have a notch.
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Apple is close to being a 1 trillion dollar company. They should have engineered a phone with no notch.
 
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but it will become the LOOK of the future iPhones .
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I hope not.

Do I agree with all of Chris viewpoints? Probably not. Never heard of him before today.

But his is on-point on this one.

Will Apple fix their shortcomings? One can only hope.

I will use my 6s and decide what next to buy whenever that will be. I had my last phone for 10 years...yes, 10 years.

My 6s is still on iOS 9. I could conceivably use this phone and just replace the battery when the time comes. :)
 
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