Well Chris Pirillo Absolutely Roasts the X's UI

rwings01 said:
The thing people need to understand is Steve Jobs put the utmost respect and trust in Tim Cook and Jony Ive....

“Steve Jobs wouldn’t have done that.” This quote is getting old AF. Unless you personally knew Jobs, then your opinion is irrelevant.

As for Chris P, stop crying about the Apple software as if they would ever listen to you. Not happy with the IPhone X, iOS, move on to Android.
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This! A lot of people forget that Steve Jobs hand picked Tim Cook to be C.E.O Tim Cook is very dedicated to his job at Apple. As for Chris P he is always looking for something to complain about when it comes to Apple, each to their own, personally I like the iPhone X and will be pre-ordering one.
 

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Well yes Steve turned it over to Tim Cook and Jony Ive, but he really didn't have much of a choice. He knew that Cook and Ive would keep things going and not make huge blunders, but I also suspect even he knew they didn't have the eye for new products and detail of the user experience like he did.

He knew that there just wasn't any replacement for himself, so what would you do in that situation. They have done as good a job as could be expected in the years since, keeping everything stable and releasing products that build on what was left by Jobs, but there is no replacing somebody like that. And as expected the magic is fading.

Now we have to decide whether to keep buying these iterative products from them. I suspect eventually the market will decide, when Apple gradually becomes the same as other companies and releases similar products, as we are starting to see, the success will diminish.

Editing to add: But the company will always be known for having the first easy to use for the masses smartphone. Just like Ford having the first widely affordable car. They will always have that moment in history to their credit. And that will keep the company going for a long time.
 
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uwdude said:
Well yes Steve turned it over to Tim Cook and Jony Ive, but he really didn't have much of a choice. He knew that Cook and Ive would keep things going and not make huge blunders, but I also suspect even he knew they didn't have the eye for new products and detail of the user experience like he did.

He knew that there just wasn't any replacement for himself, so what would you do in that situation. They have done as good a job as could be expected in the years since, keeping everything stable and releasing products that build on what was left by Jobs, but there is no replacing somebody like that. And as expected the magic is fading.

Now we have to decide whether to keep buying these iterative products from them. I suspect eventually the market will decide, when Apple gradually becomes the same as other companies and releases similar products, as we are starting to see, the success will diminish.
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You do realise that it wasn't Jobs who came up with all the product ideas? Jony Ive was the one responsible for the original iMac for example. Steve Jobs was a great thinker but he wasn't a coder he wasn't a designer so he relied on other people like Jony Ive, without Jonny Ive most of the products such as the original iMac wouldn't exist. Jonny doesn't get enough credit. As for Tim Cook, Jobs hand selected him before his death, the story goes that Jobs called Tim to his house as he was dying.

There have been successfull products that are not simple updates, Apple Watch is one of them, it's a great smart watch which now number 1 (this was mentioned in Tuesdays keynote). As Apple changed? Yes of course because times have changed we are no longer in 2007-2011, Tim Cook is CEO and yes he will do things differently, you don't have to love the products, you can in fact vote with your wallet if you do choose, but it sure seems like a lot of people still love their Apple products, record sales and record profits are what Apple hav gained. As for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus and iPhone X time will tell if it's successful, will they sell out within minutes again? Probably, but we will see.

Personally I have no worries about Apple, I love their products and still consider them the bet on the market. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Dave245 said:
You do realise that it wasn't Jobs who came up with all the product ideas? Jony Ive was the one responsible for the original iMac for example. Steve Jobs was a great thinker but he wasn't a coder he wasn't a designer so he relied on other people like Jony Ive, without Jonny Ive most of the products such as the original iMac wouldn't exist. Jonny doesn't get enough credit. As for Tim Cook, Jobs hand selected him before his death, the story goes that Jobs called Tim to his house as he was dying.

There have been successfull products that are not simple updates, Apple Watch is one of them, it's a great smart watch which now number 1 (this was mentioned in Tuesdays keynote). As Apple changed? Yes of course because times have changed we are no longer in 2007-2011, Tim Cook is CEO and yes he will do things differently, you don't have to love the products, you can in fact vote with your wallet if you do choose, but it sure seems like a lot of people still love their Apple products, record sales and record profits are what Apple hav gained. As for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus and iPhone X time will tell if it's successful, will they sell out within minutes again? Probably, but we will see.

Personally I have no worries about Apple, I love their products and still consider them the bet on the market. Just my 2 cents worth.
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k thx bye.
 
Dave245 said:
You do realise that it wasn't Jobs who came up with all the product ideas? Jony Ive was the one responsible for the original iMac for example. Steve Jobs was a great thinker but he wasn't a coder he wasn't a designer so he relied on other people like Jony Ive, without Jonny Ive most of the products such as the original iMac wouldn't exist. Jonny doesn't get enough credit. As for Tim Cook, Jobs hand selected him before his death, the story goes that Jobs called Tim to his house as he was dying.

There have been successfull products that are not simple updates, Apple Watch is one of them, it's a great smart watch which now number 1 (this was mentioned in Tuesdays keynote). As Apple changed? Yes of course because times have changed we are no longer in 2007-2011, Tim Cook is CEO and yes he will do things differently, you don't have to love the products, you can in fact vote with your wallet if you do choose, but it sure seems like a lot of people still love their Apple products, record sales and record profits are what Apple hav gained. As for the iPhone 8, 8 Plus and iPhone X time will tell if it's successful, will they sell out within minutes again? Probably, but we will see.

Personally I have no worries about Apple, I love their products and still consider them the bet on the market. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I don't think Jonny is pulling his weight, and also the dynamics between them all - Tim, Phil, Craig has lost (lost) its sparkle, very very evident in Tuesdays event.
 
The idea that only one person decided on the notch is ridiculous. And btw all this angst about the notch in landscape mode is ridiculous. I’ll bet the majority of the time people are using their phone in portrait mode and videos letterbox so the notch isn’t an issue. I can’t remember the last time I did anything on my phone in landscape besides watching video.
 
duffman9000 said:
For years I’ve noticed UI elements snapping slightly into place (sometimes). The problem used to be much worse in that it occurred much more often. And I’m only talking about Apple’s apps.

In iOS 11, I still see random alignment issues when Safari is in landscape mode on an iPhone 7. In older OSes I’ve seen this on a 6 and 6+.

I don’t think most people care or notice, but I do. Alignment issues still occur in Mail and Safari on iOS11. Buttons minutely snapping into place I don’t think happens on iOS11 anymore (Maybe). I’ve had to condition myself to ignore these ugly bugs. This snapping into place was most evident when opening an app for the first time on OSes prior to iOS 11. I recall this mess first started with the major redesign in iOS 7.
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I remember the snapping effect on my ipad pro 9.7. It bothered me at times, but I have moved on since then.
 
deany said:
I don't think Jonny is pulling his weight, and also the dynamics between them all - Tim, Phil, Craig has lost (lost) its sparkle, very very evident in Tuesdays event.
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You make a point, I do get the impression sometimes that there is drama going on behind the scenes among these executives or at Apple, and I'm not sure why. Someday it may be a great book if someone sits down to write it.
 
jamesrick80 said:
I remember the snapping effect on my ipad pro 9.7. It bothered me at times, but I have moved on since then.
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To their credit, I think they fixed the snapping. I just ignored it, but I don’t automatically believe for a second that Apple quality is greatly superior to others.

Now the alignment issues when switching to landscape are still not fixed. Still happens on iOS 11. Rare, but still happens. It took years for the snapping to be fixed maybe the alignment issues will be fixed in a few more years.

The resolution change on the X may cause these issues to reappear again.
 
Chris Pirillo is the sh*t. He’s the only one to speak open about Apple’s software shortcomings since iOS 7 with its lags and questionable design decisions. Then you get these tech sites like The Verge calling this amazing etc. and are too afraid to say anything bad just so they can get invites for the next Apple event. The reason this is getting hate is because it isn’t symmetrical like Apple usually tends to pride its products on. It interferes with the software and detracts from the user experience. Having said that, I will still pre order and be the judge myself and will just return it if I don’t end up liking it.
 
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ChrisPirillo said:
  1. I know I'm largely irrelevant, annoying, and in need of video editing skills. Let's just get that out of the way, shall we? Remove me from the equation, please. I'm a relative nobody. This isn't about ego. Don't talk about me. Talk about THIS. Please. I'm not getting paid for this. I just want products that I want, not products that I'm told to want.
  2. I'm actively pushing the conversation around iPhone X forward because it seems that NO OTHER APPLE / TECH MEDIA OUTLET OR PUNDIT IS GIVING IT THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES. All I see are nerds falling over themselves over this spec and that spec while glossing over the glaring issues that can't be mitigated so easily in software. And, keep in mind...
  3. A product from Apple is perceivably more than just a single piece of hardware - it's hardware that works well with well-implemented software (design, features) inside a seamless ecosystem of experiences to create a cohesive (well polished, well executed) experience in an archipelago of devices. If you remove usability from the equation in any of them, the ecosystem breaks. If you remove beautiful, intelligible software design from any of them, the reason you were probably were drawn to Apple in the first place is moot. Without a cohesive user experience (UX) you have a completely worthless piece of hardware.
  4. Solid hardware running on poorly-optimized software is a product that "the others" get made fun of for making. Specs, in this sense, become irrelevant. User Experience (UX) isn't a feature you can easily document in marketing materials. You can have the world's fastest unusable device for bragging rights, I suppose?
  5. We didn't just get this iPhone X nightmare overnight. Apple has been directionless with software design since the first beta of iOS 7. It never gets better with revisions. It never gets addressed with revisions. We just see more features piled on top of as-of-yet-polished features. The result is a cacophony of well-documented slop (misaligned elements, dropped frames in scrolls, unpolished animations, et al). DO NOT EXPECT APPLE TO FIX THIS IN SOFTWARE.
  6. This is not a tempest in a teapot - this is intended to be Apple's new direction. If that doesn't wake you up, then I'm not so sure you're someone who appreciates what a good user interface or user experience can be. Certainly, the UI & UX experts I've been following for some time recognize this as a train wreck for 'n' reasons. Unless they're so invested in their belief in what Apple once was that they can't see that this emperor has no clothes.
  7. If Apple is pushing the notch (as seen in their developer documentation) as a key visible differentiator, then they're suggesting that UX and UI are taking a back seat to visuals that serve no purpose in the device's function. They key differentiator between an iPhone and a not-iPhone has not been the hardware so much as it has been the software. App developers can only do what they do because Apple created a foundation suitable for them.
  8. Developers are going to catch hell for this, not Apple. They're going to see the complaints, not Apple. You can only mitigate the brackish nature of "the notch" only so much. You can't hide it in every app with Apple's intended approach to the problem that they created. Then, even if you do, there's the software-rendered, center-bottom swipe indicator that may still be ever-present.
  9. You're using a "full screen" iPhone that doesn't truly give you the full screen.
  10. Apple's coasting on cultural laurels in the hopes that people will just learn to love it... just like Sinofsky felt about Windows 8. Mind you, I did my best to warn people about that UX disaster with a video on the first Consumer Preview Edition (with my dad, somewhat famously, trying to use it for the first time). Apple is using the memory of Steve Jobs on this anniversary to further push a vision that is fundamentally antithetical to Steve's memory.
  11. It is not a question of whether or not the iPhone X will flop. In fact, it probably won't. People don't know what they want, and they're accustomed to good experiences from Apple. Instead, iPhone X is a flop by design. Just because more people buy it doesn't mean that it was a well done product. Popularity is never an indicator of quality.
  12. This is not a matter of having a wait-and-see approach. If you can't see what is clearly visible in Apple's very own demos and documentation before having the device in-hand, there's no hope. This is a fundamental matter of usability outright - this is not a question. The OLED screen will be amazing, and amazingly stunted by an unsymmetrical inclusion. Even in portrait mode, it stands out (as does the lower software pill) - and not in a good way.
  13. Don't justify your decision to buy the iPhone X by minimizing its glaring oversights or dismissing absolutes. You're not doing yourself any favors. If you accept this simply because it's what Apple has made for you, then you're not doing yourself any favors. You deserve a better product from Apple. Listen to the people who are trying to make it better FOR you. Demand it when you plunk down YOUR money on ANYTHING.
  14. Let me put it to you this way: if you thought the camera lens bump was an issue, or that the lack of a headphone jack was a problem, then this is magnitudes worse. You can ignore the bump, you can ignore the lack of a port, but you simply cannot ignore the screen, software design, or usability.
  15. I've wasted so much of my time, energy, and patience on these matters - and I'm the least qualified person to be pushing back in the first place. The iPhone X is not a usable device by nature. This is not a product worthy of the Apple logo. I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm frustrated, and I'm tired of the excuses that media or community provides simply because they want continued access to Apple. I will never be invited to speak with someone. I will never be invited to help make these products better. I will never be welcomed by those whose livelihoods depend on me believing in a vision that I find lacking.
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......hi Chris..........you sure save many wallets' lives. Medal of honor.
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ChrisPirillo said:
  1. I know I'm largely irrelevant, annoying, and in need of video editing skills. Let's just get that out of the way, shall we? Remove me from the equation, please. I'm a relative nobody. This isn't about ego. Don't talk about me. Talk about THIS. Please. I'm not getting paid for this. I just want products that I want, not products that I'm told to want.
  2. I'm actively pushing the conversation around iPhone X forward because it seems that NO OTHER APPLE / TECH MEDIA OUTLET OR PUNDIT IS GIVING IT THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES. All I see are nerds falling over themselves over this spec and that spec while glossing over the glaring issues that can't be mitigated so easily in software. And, keep in mind...
  3. A product from Apple is perceivably more than just a single piece of hardware - it's hardware that works well with well-implemented software (design, features) inside a seamless ecosystem of experiences to create a cohesive (well polished, well executed) experience in an archipelago of devices. If you remove usability from the equation in any of them, the ecosystem breaks. If you remove beautiful, intelligible software design from any of them, the reason you were probably were drawn to Apple in the first place is moot. Without a cohesive user experience (UX) you have a completely worthless piece of hardware.
  4. Solid hardware running on poorly-optimized software is a product that "the others" get made fun of for making. Specs, in this sense, become irrelevant. User Experience (UX) isn't a feature you can easily document in marketing materials. You can have the world's fastest unusable device for bragging rights, I suppose?
  5. We didn't just get this iPhone X nightmare overnight. Apple has been directionless with software design since the first beta of iOS 7. It never gets better with revisions. It never gets addressed with revisions. We just see more features piled on top of as-of-yet-polished features. The result is a cacophony of well-documented slop (misaligned elements, dropped frames in scrolls, unpolished animations, et al). DO NOT EXPECT APPLE TO FIX THIS IN SOFTWARE.
  6. This is not a tempest in a teapot - this is intended to be Apple's new direction. If that doesn't wake you up, then I'm not so sure you're someone who appreciates what a good user interface or user experience can be. Certainly, the UI & UX experts I've been following for some time recognize this as a train wreck for 'n' reasons. Unless they're so invested in their belief in what Apple once was that they can't see that this emperor has no clothes.
  7. If Apple is pushing the notch (as seen in their developer documentation) as a key visible differentiator, then they're suggesting that UX and UI are taking a back seat to visuals that serve no purpose in the device's function. They key differentiator between an iPhone and a not-iPhone has not been the hardware so much as it has been the software. App developers can only do what they do because Apple created a foundation suitable for them.
  8. Developers are going to catch hell for this, not Apple. They're going to see the complaints, not Apple. You can only mitigate the brackish nature of "the notch" only so much. You can't hide it in every app with Apple's intended approach to the problem that they created. Then, even if you do, there's the software-rendered, center-bottom swipe indicator that may still be ever-present.
  9. You're using a "full screen" iPhone that doesn't truly give you the full screen.
  10. Apple's coasting on cultural laurels in the hopes that people will just learn to love it... just like Sinofsky felt about Windows 8. Mind you, I did my best to warn people about that UX disaster with a video on the first Consumer Preview Edition (with my dad, somewhat famously, trying to use it for the first time). Apple is using the memory of Steve Jobs on this anniversary to further push a vision that is fundamentally antithetical to Steve's memory.
  11. It is not a question of whether or not the iPhone X will flop. In fact, it probably won't. People don't know what they want, and they're accustomed to good experiences from Apple. Instead, iPhone X is a flop by design. Just because more people buy it doesn't mean that it was a well done product. Popularity is never an indicator of quality.
  12. This is not a matter of having a wait-and-see approach. If you can't see what is clearly visible in Apple's very own demos and documentation before having the device in-hand, there's no hope. This is a fundamental matter of usability outright - this is not a question. The OLED screen will be amazing, and amazingly stunted by an unsymmetrical inclusion. Even in portrait mode, it stands out (as does the lower software pill) - and not in a good way.
  13. Don't justify your decision to buy the iPhone X by minimizing its glaring oversights or dismissing absolutes. You're not doing yourself any favors. If you accept this simply because it's what Apple has made for you, then you're not doing yourself any favors. You deserve a better product from Apple. Listen to the people who are trying to make it better FOR you. Demand it when you plunk down YOUR money on ANYTHING.
  14. Let me put it to you this way: if you thought the camera lens bump was an issue, or that the lack of a headphone jack was a problem, then this is magnitudes worse. You can ignore the bump, you can ignore the lack of a port, but you simply cannot ignore the screen, software design, or usability.
  15. I've wasted so much of my time, energy, and patience on these matters - and I'm the least qualified person to be pushing back in the first place. The iPhone X is not a usable device by nature. This is not a product worthy of the Apple logo. I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm frustrated, and I'm tired of the excuses that media or community provides simply because they want continued access to Apple. I will never be invited to speak with someone. I will never be invited to help make these products better. I will never be welcomed by those whose livelihoods depend on me believing in a vision that I find lacking.
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....you could have said f apple and many people would have given you likes.
 
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Superhappytree said:
The reason this is getting hate is because it isn’t symmetrical like Apple usually tends to pride its products on. It interferes with the software and detracts from the user experience. Having said that, I will still pre order and be the judge myself and will just return it if I don’t end up liking it.
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I agree!

And one user pointed out the reason for it was to differentiate from other smartphones. Which another user argued against obviously... claiming that it’s a rushed product. But if Apple just announced the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus while keeping this “rushed” product from releasing. Everyone would go nuclear!

So much vitriol toward Apple... it’s beyond me. I like Chris Prillio, he made some valid complaints. But I plan on being the judge of the product myself and for those claiming it’s a terrible design, there’s still a iPhone 8 and 8 Plus that Apple announced.
 
Dave245 said:
This! A lot of people forget that Steve Jobs hand picked Tim Cook to be C.E.O Tim Cook is very dedicated to his job at Apple. As for Chris P he is always looking for something to complain about when it comes to Apple, each to their own, personally I like the iPhone X and will be pre-ordering one.
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Hand plucked tim temporarily.
 
Rogifan said:
Who is this guy and why should I care about him?
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He is speaking the candid reality. The notch is the most embarrassing thing Apple has ever done and if anyone thinks it is a good design to embrace in software then you know nothing about design, especially intelligent design. That is the reality, and reality sucks sometimes, as it does with what Apple has given.
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jamesrick80 said:
PermaTurd is hilarious. He is right. LMAO. If Samsung did this...iFans will have never let up. Just like y'all did with the Note 7 battery issue and the constant jokes. That notch is just lol.

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I completely agree with you and I have used Apple products for over 7 years now, and I've considered them the best designers by far, but this changes everything as Apple likes to say.
 
Fernandez21 said:
The small bezels, compact body with large screen will still differentiate it enough imo, plus the back cameras, the materials (stainless steel), and gesture interface. There would still be more differentiation between the X and 8 than there is between the MBP with touch bar and without.
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Yeah it depends on if you use android phones or not. For me owning the Note 8 and S8 I'm not going crazy over the small bezels. I been having those features on my other phones. If you are a die hard apple user then I get it.
 
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