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While your vision of iPhones to come sounds inevitable, it also sounds way too modular for Apple. Google just cancelled project Ara so they're learning the hard way that people just want phones that do a lot and simple to operate. No one wants to fiddle with modules like Legos except for geeks and power users. In order to get phones down to credit card thickness, Apple won't design modules, he'll just redesign camera sensors and lenses completely. They have the funds and about 10 years to get it done. There are no laws that cannot be engineers around when it comes to cameras and thinness but there are some business models that Apple will never implement. Others will but not Apple.

Thickness of camera modules is not about a lack of engineering effort. If ANYONE could make a quality camera module thin enough to be flush with current iPhone thicknesses, it would be in Apple iPhones. There would be HUGE revenues for that camera module maker. Apple is not choosing to have an increasingly protruding camera because that's what they want now... or they just haven't got around to making thinner cameras. There must be some distance between lens and imager for a camera to work. Our own eyeballs have the biological version of that because it is "what works" too. Why waste all that skull space if our eyeballs could be as thin as our fingernails? Because that's what works for the pictures our eyes shoot.

We have protruding lenses in iPhones because Apple prioritized thin phone bodies over flush or "wart-less". Another decision could have been to deem phones "thin enough" when key parts like the camera module cannot be made thinner... perhaps filling the spare space with "more battery", leaving the headphone jack in, etc. But no, thinner is paramount... even if that means wart... even if that means needing to start kicking ubiquitous functionality out to "make room" for going even thinner, etc.

And my "vision" was half joking. I (too) have a hard time picturing Apple going modular for all parts of iPhone 14. Then again, the next iPhone is about to have a modular "tail" hanging out of the Lightning jack for many phones "in the wild." And Apple already sells a modular add-on battery pack for anyone needing more battery than what can fit inside of ever-"thinner" internal space. Camera physics is in direct conflict with "thinner" objectives so that "wart" can only get bigger" unless there are compromises to be made to the quality of the pics it can shoot. Etc.

I was also poking fun at "us"... so quick to rationalize jettisoning the 3.5mm jack without a hit to the price of the phone. If I'm Apple and I get away with this as measured by sales, why don't I start thinking about jettisoning other internal parts to further fatten my margins, knowing the faithful will work just as hard to rationalize those decisions too and my customers will buy anyway... and buy my high-margin accessories to get the functionality back that used to be included INSIDE iPhones? And once you think about that possibility, what would be the next obvious internal utility to shift out to accessory add-on? Since thinner seems paramount, what eats up the bulk of the space inside an iPhone now? Kick THAT out to accessory and iPhone can get much, MUCH thinner... except for that camera module. Hmmmm.
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My first MacBook Pro was recalled by Apple due to battery issues though there was no risk of exploding.

Yes, but when an Apple product has a problem like that, it's YOUR fault... or your router... or you're using some cheap, third-party accessory... or "my MBP has a perfect battery (so yours must be perfect too)"... or <any other reason to shift blame away to anyone or everyone/thing else>.

We only care about recalls like this one when it's any competitor of Apple. And then- whatever the issue or cause- it is entirely the competitor's fault.

Plus, we'll "forget" Apple's recalls as quickly as we can but we'll remember competitor's recalls even when Samsung is rolling out the Galaxy 16.

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For now, until they decide to copy Apple and remove the headphone jack from their devices.

They won't copy Apple on this one. They may indeed drop the headphone jack if Apple gets away with doing that (and they probably will). But competitors won't replace it with a proprietary Lightning jack. Instead, they'll adopt USB3 which is now endorsed as "THE way" by Intel and will be built into the future chips from Intel (likely working in future Macs that use those same Intel chips). USB3 will be cheaper, work just as well for "all digital" headphone arguments and likely be able to readily connect to much more. We Apple people will have to be happy in our walled garden all that much more... or have a variety of adapters on hand should we want to connect to about anything else (perhaps even future Macs).
 
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Water resistance is greatly appreciated, no more worrying about using a phone when caught in the rain!

Why does getting rid of the round hole increase water resistance? Nearby there is a larger Lightning jack hole. And, rumor has it that where the round hole used to be, there will now be a group of smaller round holes to visually match up with the smaller round holes on the other side of that Lightning jack hole. Does water only want to sneak in through a 3.5mm jack, round hole?
 
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They won't copy Apple on this one. They may indeed drop the headphone jack is Apple gets away with doing that (and they probably will). But competitors won't replace it with a proprietary Lightning jack. Instead, they'll adopt USB3 which is now endorsed as "THE way" by Intel and will be built into the future chips from Intel (likely working in future Macs that use those same Intel chips). USB3 will be cheaper, work just as well for "all digital" headphone arguments and likely be able to readily connect to much more. We Apple people will have to be happy in our walled garden all that much more... or have a variety of adapters on hand should we want to connect to about anything else (perhaps even future Macs).

I think we will be offered a solution, I think it will be in the form of EarPods being in the box, also Apple announcing a new range of Beats at next weeks event, maybe they will be entirely wireless, as the rumours have said about Apple developing the Bluetooth technology further. I don't believe for one minute that Apple would be removing the headphone jack and NOT offering a solution to it. Will it anger people? Some yes, but the majority won't care and will adapt to it (myself included) which is what Apple want, problem solved :):apple:
 
You're setting yourself up for disappointment then-I think by 4 days before the event you should know that the duel lens is only going to be on the 5.5 Plus.

I hope Apple will surprise everyone. IMHO it makes no sense to limit the dual-lens system to only 5.7" especially considering the declining sales of iPhones. 4.7" is the best selling iPhone and dual-lens system will boost its sale even further.
 
I think we will be offered a solution, I think it will be in the form of EarPods being in the box, also Apple announcing a new range of Beats at next weeks event, maybe they will be entirely wireless, as the rumours have said about Apple developing the Bluetooth technology further. I don't believe for one minute that Apple would be removing the headphone jack and NOT offering a solution to it. Will it anger people? Some yes, but the majority won't care and will adapt to it (myself included) which is what Apple want, problem solved :):apple:

AirPods will eat too much profit margin to be given away in the box. If bluetooth could be given away cheaper than wired buds, Apple would have ALREADY been doing that with iPhones.

Here's my speculations about "the solution"...

Apple is going to roll out some advancement to wireless audio. That might be an early adoption of Bluetooth 5 or probably more likely, some proprietary variant of that or maybe some kind of local airplay thing (that ONLY works with Apple hardware... and probably only these new Beats headphones right out of the gate). While it will still be possible to connect via wire to the Lightning jack, the spin will thoroughly tout this new wireless option as THE way (ignoring that it will basically represent the opposite of the convenient ubiquity of the 3.5mm solution it is trying to replace).

I suspect it will be superior to existing Bluetooth but it will also be proprietary, meaning it will probably not work as well with any other Bluetooth hardware (even existing Macs, but almost certainly not cars, Wintel computers, any AV equipment already equipped with Bluetooth, etc). Thus, one who wants to embrace it faces needing to buy new everything... or settle for a fallback to existing Bluetooth quality and it's various shortcomings... including just doing without when you want to listen to something that has no bluetooth option (seatback view screens on long flights for example).

What does this do? It shifts the focus away from innovation by subtraction (without cutting the iPhone price) in jettisoning the ubiquitous 3.5mm headphone jack. I picture extreme demos where wired connections seems so "in the way" much as Apple once spun "one handed use" to rationalize it's smaller screen phones vs. the larger-screen phones. It makes it seem like Apple has proclaimed wireless the future NOW... but only it's wireless solution, probably only available initially via a new Beats headphone purchase (but maybe at least one other third-party headphone maker with their headphones priced at 5X or more higher than the price of the new Beats headphones, just to imply this is not too self-serving).

But more importantly, to adopt this "the future", one must buy into it separately. What ships in the new iPhone box is a wired set of buds terminating with a Lightning jack.

And if one deems their existing wired headphones good enough, Apple has an accessory for them too (3.5mm to Lightning) adapter for about $29.99.

And if one deems they want to stick with wired, there is also another adapter for connecting to USB3 as that takes hold in the rest of the tech world.

I'm also suspecting that for the average Joe to maybe be able to hear the difference vs. his traditionally wired connection, maybe 256KAAC is about to be superseded by some new standard for song file compression. If there is anywhere for an average Joe to be able to really hear a difference, it might be right there. While this might be seem unlikely, look at the business rationale: bigger song files will burn more data (great for the likes of AT&T, Verizon, etc), they will sound better to sensitive ears, audio quality reviews will definitely credit Apple for "improving" the quality of music by stepping up the source material (which will make it seem like iPhones/Beats have better quality music), there might be an upsell fee to upgrade to better versions of your music library, etc.

Oh... and the space freed up by jettisoning the 3.5mm jack is "filled" with "thinner," not "more battery" or something else being spun now as part of trying to rationalize this decision.

All best guess, but we'll see soon enough.
 
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When Apple spends over $20 Billion dollars on R&D in just the past two years, more than just about every other company in the world, it's hard to fathom your conclusion that "they aren't even trying anymore. " Beyond that though, you still haven't said what Apple would have to add to this year's phone to be, in your words, "significant" and not just "standard electronic advancement." What would show you that they haven't given up and "are still trying?"

You're obsessed by the money, they could spend a trillion dollars, what is the result? What does the iPhone 7 feature (based on the leaks) or do better than any other phone to justify that expenditure? Maybe they're just good at wasting money lately? Iterative improvements are standard for any new device.
 
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When Apple decides to release it - that's when you'll see the results of their R&D.

Apple isn't like Google - always bragging about what they're working on and talking about vaporware that we might see in a few years (or never). Like Google Glass. Or Project Ara. Or their self driving cars that every auto manufacturer is working on but uneducated people think Google invented just because they're always promoting it while others are keeping their projects a secret.

Apple isn't going to change how they do things so there's no point in complaining about it.
Wasn't complaining, simply countering your post about decline. Spending cash is no leading indicator of a company in ascendency - it doesn't take skill to spend money, but it does to spend it to good effect. Somwhat effect has all that spending had? If Apple are playing a long game they run a big risk of being overtaken by faster or smarter companies.

Some may be happy to buy into Cook's jam tomorrow spin and althogh he has led a prfits drive he certainly hasn't delivered any new engines of growth in the product line.
 
Camera physics is in direct conflict with "thinner" objectives so that "wart" can only get bigger" unless there are compromises to be made to the quality of the pics it can shoot. Etc.
Camera physics is not the obstacle you think it is. The iPhone 7+ is rumored to take better pictures, yet the camera didn't get thicker. Instead, there are two lenses, which work together to produce a single, sharper image. This requires additional computing power and memory (both of which tend to increase even when phone models get thinner).

Future iPhone cameras may have more lenses in an array, allowing the camera module to be thinner than it is now.
 
You heard it here first.
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KGI Ming Chi Chow is very reliable and has been in the past, so I'm guessing this is correct. It sounds great, really looking forward to Apple's event on Wednesday :)

Isn't the IPX7 rating higher than that of Samsungs S7 and Note 7 which I believe is IPx6? Note sure how it works tho. If Apple are going after waterproofing, I'm sure they are concerned with getting it right. The Apple Watch is great, in the shower in the rain and some people have even gone swimming with it.
 
Camera physics is not the obstacle you think it is. The iPhone 7+ is rumored to take better pictures, yet the camera didn't get thicker. Instead, there are two lenses, which work together to produce a single, sharper image. This requires additional computing power and memory (both of which tend to increase even when phone models get thinner).

Future iPhone cameras may have more lenses in an array, allowing the camera module to be thinner than it is now.

Well, as long as it can keep getting "thinner," that is what matters most to us consumers... next to maximizing profits for our favorite corporation and spinning anything they want to do as positively as we possibly can.;)
 
Putting a positive spin on things is the best way to maximise potential. Looks at Samsung and their recent problem with exploding batteries. Now they've employed Ray Mears to carry round a Note 7with him in the jungle, in the event he can't find two sticks to rub together. Marketing genius! o_O
 
I hope Apple will surprise everyone. IMHO it makes no sense to limit the dual-lens system to only 5.7" especially considering the declining sales of iPhones. 4.7" is the best selling iPhone and dual-lens system will boost its sale even further.

But everyone knows what the 4.7 is going to look like though so what's the point in hoping for something that you know isn't going to happen...?

The 6 Plus/6S Plus had OIS while the regular versions didn't and that didn't harm sales for the 4.7 version.

In fact it's looking like the 4.7 will gain OIS so that's an improvement already.
 
I dont want the rumored Iphone or watch - Im waiting (like many others) for the Mac pro - but Im still waiting on the keynote like a little kid waiting for x-mas.

Love Apple keynote events! :)
 
Craig Federighi is the only one worth watching. They should make him the spokesperson or CEO. Whichever gets Cook and the rest on the sidelines.
 
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Well, as long as it can keep getting "thinner," that is what matters most to us consumers... next to maximizing profits for our favorite corporation and spinning anything they want to do as positively as we possibly can.;)
More profits is good. I am also a AAPL shareholder. And I only give positive spin to the things I like. So long as Apple is moving in a direction I like, I'm happy to support them.
 
KGI Ming Chi Chow is very reliable and has been in the past, so I'm guessing this is correct. It sounds great, really looking forward to Apple's event on Wednesday :)

Isn't the IPX7 rating higher than that of Samsungs S7 and Note 7 which I believe is IPx6? Note sure how it works tho. If Apple are going after waterproofing, I'm sure they are concerned with getting it right. The Apple Watch is great, in the shower in the rain and some people have even gone swimming with it.
It makes me think Apple going forward to going to try and make the iPhone completely waterproof and not just water resistant.
 
It makes me think Apple going forward to going to try and make the iPhone completely waterproof and not just water resistant.

That's what i was thinking, maybe the 6s was a test and this year or next year the iPhone will become waterproof!
 



We're just a few days away from Apple's annual fall event, where we expect to see the launch of the new iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, a second-generation Apple Watch with new bands, and refreshed Beats products.

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I have an idea...why not say "effective today the new Maco os and the update to iPhone is available for download" Can anyone imagine that the CEO of GM...says in two weeks there will be a meeting and at that time, the introduction date for the 2017 GM cars will be released"?
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That is magical
Great comment...I would not be surprised.
 
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