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What to expect in the second Gen Retina MacBook (Merged)
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I expect it to be exactly as it is today, except for the updated Core-m Skylake CPUs and minor tweaks to the mechanical design of the keyboard to make it a bit more reliable.
I hope they add a Magsafe charging port (unlikely), or a second USB-C port (likely in a redesign in 2017 or 2018).
I think this is how the Mac portable lineup will transform between now and 2018.
11" MBA --> discontinued
12" rMB --> 12" rMB second gen design and a $300 drop in price to start at $999 at the lowest end sku
13" MBA --> discontinued
13" rMBP --> 14" rMBP in a form factor similar to the rMB, but thicker and with 3x USB-C ports and Magsafe.
15" rMBP --> 16" rMBP in a form factor similar to the rMB, but thicker and with 3x USB-C ports and Magsafe.
I hope they add a Magsafe charging port (unlikely), or a second USB-C port (likely in a redesign in 2017 or 2018).
I think this is how the Mac portable lineup will transform between now and 2018.
11" MBA --> discontinued
12" rMB --> 12" rMB second gen design and a $300 drop in price to start at $999 at the lowest end sku
13" MBA --> discontinued
13" rMBP --> 14" rMBP in a form factor similar to the rMB, but thicker and with 3x USB-C ports and Magsafe.
15" rMBP --> 16" rMBP in a form factor similar to the rMB, but thicker and with 3x USB-C ports and Magsafe.
What do you mean by "autonomy"? I'd thought you meant more ports, but clearly that's not what you mean when you use the word. I know the usual definitions, i.e. self-governance, freedom from external control; but neither seem to really apply. Just curious to understand your meaning.
I'm not sure that I'd consider a Skylake upgrade, which is all I expect to see in the next few months, worthy of the second generation moniker, especially if everything else stays the same. Not that I'd mind seeing more changes, but I don't expect them.
You know, the site is called "Mac Rumors", not "Mac Fantasy".
The 2nd Gen MacBook is already in Apple Stores. It's called "in stock". And when does update the MacBook, it will be with something germane to it's mission- the form factor. Something thinner, something that makes it lighter, something that makes it smaller, heck even a 14" version can be best-in-class thin and light for that screen size.
But adding a processor? Not going to happen. It means nothing towards what the RMB is designed to be and what it's users want.
BJ
Isn't the one in the stores the eighth generation macbook? Personally, I am looking forward the the CPU refresh of the current generation in the next week or two.
you're quite right, reality has to set in. We are discussing the Intel core M SkyLake processors. It's you who is talking processors that require fans.
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Apple always refreshed their lineup with new processors after a while, totaly independent of any sort of redesign.
But sure, the RMB will be so much different...
Maybe it won't be for Skylake and they are going to skip one generation, that's absolutely possible, but it will happen at some point.
I don't even get boltjames' problem.
Okay, CPU performance is not important for this type of machine, I agree, but how about battery life? It's still an ultraportable. And don't give me that crap about "nobody needs more than blabla battery life"
But sure, the RMB will be so much different...
Maybe it won't be for Skylake and they are going to skip one generation, that's absolutely possible, but it will happen at some point.
I don't even get boltjames' problem.
Okay, CPU performance is not important for this type of machine, I agree, but how about battery life? It's still an ultraportable. And don't give me that crap about "nobody needs more than blabla battery life"
In other words it means more batery life aka more freedom from external control which would be a power source.
[doublepost=1459356959][/doublepost]And I forgot to mention. 16GB RAM for me is a must.
No.
Two different factions in here. First just wants Skylake and that's it. But the second faction, they want multiple USB/USB-C/HDMI ports, they want compatibility with DisplayPort, they want power to play games and do severe multitasking. And that takes something more than Lakes can provide and that means a fan.
BJ
You're imagining things. I have not seen a "faction" of people here asking for HDMI or DisplayPort. No one on this thread has asked for those things. Further, neither of things have anything to do with needing a more powerful CPU. The fanless Core-M can handle both functions just fine.
Sure, many want a second USB-C port. Many also want Thunderbolt 3, which is an interface and not a port, and it works over USB 3.1 ports. Some want a full-size USB port, not C. Some want a Magsafe port. That's it. None of things demand more powerful CPU, all of those things are very possible with a fanless Core-M Skylake chip, and none would require a fan.
Also, even with the fanless Core-M, Skylake brings a significant improvement to graphics performance. It's not enough to play the latest and greatest games at the highest settings, but it would be a noticeable improvement to the current GPU. Again, no fan required.
Like I said, you're imagining things.
If anything, I can argue that your prediction that the Macbook will shed more ports is what will result in it becoming thicker and heavier. Shed the 3.5mm audio jack? Bluetooth uses more power than that, would require a slightly larger battery. Shed the USB-C port? Inductive charging takes up a significant amount of space and can get quite hot, especially at the power levels of a Macbook, which would require more room for the inductive coils and more room to dissipate the heat. Inductive charging a tiny Apple Watch is one thing. Inductive charging a huge laptop battery is another. It might even require *gasp* a fan. That's physics.
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hahah NICE JOKES
first its ok and plausible MBA will eventually be removed
12" Macbook 300$ price cut??? In your dreams, at max 100$
and the macbook pros will never get usb-c ports but all thunderbolt 3 because they are perfect compatible with usb-c but not vice versa
First, it's been discounted by $300 all over the place already - everywhere but Apple itself. Second, the original Macbook Air in 2008 cost $1800. In 2009, after a minor spec bump, the price was dropped $300 to $1500. In 2010, after a major redesign, the cost of the 13" was down another $200 to $1300. Over the next few years there were a few more price drops, and now it's down to $1000. That price went down $300 in one year, and then another $500 over the next 4 years. So $300 price drop is not only reasonable, it's expected.
I don't think you understand the difference between a port and an interface. USB-C is a port - it's a physical plug and socket. USB is also an interface that is implemented on the USB-C port, among other ports. Thunderbolt 3 is also an interface - it's a specification that describes certain commands and signals that can be sent and received and how those commands and signals should be handled. They are not mutually exclusive. Thunderbolt can be implemented on any port in theory. It so happened that version 1 and 2 were implemented on DisplayPort, and version 3 will be implemented on USB-C.
one is putting a first device at 1800$ in 2009 and one put the macbook at $1299 with 8 gb ram and 256 ssd. you can make the macbook at just 999$. It's apple
you said 3xusb-c PORTS thunderbolt 3 is a port using the same shape with usb-c gen 2 so it is compatible. if you put the usb-c PORT it will not be compatible with thunderbolt 3
so usb-c in included into the thunderbolt 3 interface and port
https://thunderbolttechnology.net/sites/default/files/big-picture-with-text_update_1_0.jpg
see the image lightning icon so is an thunderbolt 3 interface into a thunderbolt 3 port that is in the exact shape as usb-c
but you lost me already when you think they will officialy cut the new macbook generation by 300$ explaining that many retailers like amazon already cut the price FOR the current and soon older generation
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I hope they will include the new display tech from the 9.7" IPad Pro including true tone in the new Macbook.. That and a bit more battery life/performance and it would be the perfect notebook for me.
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Ctrl-Walt-Delete: Who’s older: Walt or Nilay? https://overcast.fm/+FO-XJ1PoU/37:34
"I will tell you, without fear of contradiction, but I can't tell you why I know this, that there are significant plans to improve that small MacBook and to expand on it and to make that a much more full fledged line.
"That is their mainstream laptop platform I think of the future"
Walt doesn't say exactly what that means but it think that means MBA is on its way out, rMacBook style is in for MacBook line. MBP? Who knows.
Ctrl-Walt-Delete: Who’s older: Walt or Nilay? https://overcast.fm/+FO-XJ1PoU/37:34
"I will tell you, without fear of contradiction, but I can't tell you why I know this, that there are significant plans to improve that small MacBook and to expand on it and to make that a much more full fledged line.
"That is their mainstream laptop platform I think of the future"
Walt doesn't say exactly what that means but it think that means MBA is on its way out, rMacBook style is in for MacBook line. MBP? Who knows.
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Certainly sounds like the 13" and 15" models rumored for WWDC may be MacBooks after all, rather than redesigned rMBPs?
If you remember from a few years ago (pre-Air), Apple had the 13" Macbooks and the 15 & 17" Macbook Pros. Then the Air came in, then unibodies and 13" MBPs and the elimination of the base Macbook.
Purely from a marketing standpoint in terms of product mix, there is no longer really a reason for the Air. Especially if the 13" MBP goes on a diet; already there's only a slight difference in weight/thickness.
I'd see the 12" rMB as the base model in the lineup, with revised (thinner/lighter) MBP13 & MBP15 models forming the options for more screen/ports/power. I'd anticipate they'd retain the "Pro" moniker as a differentiator, particularly if the models had a fan built in.
You don't have to be an industry pundit to see the direction Apple is taking...
Purely from a marketing standpoint in terms of product mix, there is no longer really a reason for the Air. Especially if the 13" MBP goes on a diet; already there's only a slight difference in weight/thickness.
I'd see the 12" rMB as the base model in the lineup, with revised (thinner/lighter) MBP13 & MBP15 models forming the options for more screen/ports/power. I'd anticipate they'd retain the "Pro" moniker as a differentiator, particularly if the models had a fan built in.
You don't have to be an industry pundit to see the direction Apple is taking...
If you remember from a few years ago (pre-Air), Apple had the 13" Macbooks and the 15 & 17" Macbook Pros. Then the Air came in, then unibodies and 13" MBPs and the elimination of the base Macbook.
Purely from a marketing standpoint in terms of product mix, there is no longer really a reason for the Air. Especially if the 13" MBP goes on a diet; already there's only a slight difference in weight/thickness.
I'd see the 12" rMB as the base model in the lineup, with revised (thinner/lighter) MBP13 & MBP15 models forming the options for more screen/ports/power. I'd anticipate they'd retain the "Pro" moniker as a differentiator, particularly if the models had a fan built in.
You don't have to be an industry pundit to see the direction Apple is taking...
Idk I feel that Apple might just keep a MBP limited to a 16" design. I expect to see 12" and 14" rMB, slightly thicker and with more ports, along with a powerful 16" rMBP. Perhaps there might be an overlap of the 14" models for both rMB and rMBP. I feel this way because 12" is just too small, and a very niche group of customers go for that. If they're expecting MBA like success from the rMB, they need a larger model, e.g., 14".
2x USB-C? (1 of each side, replacing 3.5mm jack in line with phone rumors).
TB3 obviously
Hopefully reduced base price ($999?)
Why would I want one? Considering using with a Razer Core.
TB3 obviously
Hopefully reduced base price ($999?)
Why would I want one? Considering using with a Razer Core.
I'm really not so sure about TB3. The reality is it takes a new chip, Alpine Ridge, on the motherboard, and they don't really have the space.
If they replace the jack with USB-C in Macbook and with Lightning in iPhone it will be a mess...
...oh hang on, their line-up already is a mess, so it would be consistent in the Apple way.
...oh hang on, their line-up already is a mess, so it would be consistent in the Apple way.
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