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Exactly. One of the main reasons keeping me from Windows Laptops is the trackpad. Even if Windows 10 was on par with OS X, OEM trackpads are still behind. The Surface Book is the closest anyone has come to matching Apple's trackpads, but still, there's a difference.

Still, will be interesting to see what Apple has in store for the rMBP, rMB and even possibly the MBA in the upcoming months.

Windows 10 on the RMB is an absolute pleasure, you should not view it as being 'not on par' with OSX. In many regards it's actually better.

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I think that Apple will merge the rMB and MBA - the "new MBA" will look more like the rMB, but with more ports, faster CPUs, more storage, etc., but not up to MBP levels. In that scenario, there will be MacBooks and Macbook Pros.

Yes, that would be the logical progression. rMB to test the waters and identify what people like and dislike. Leverage that feedback and leave the rMB as the successor to the MBA11 and then redesign the rMBP13 into a similar concept albeit with more ports (there'd be room for them with a 13.3 display)
 
HP just put out a laptop that is thinner with a full 15W core CPU :O.
It also has a deeper keyboard :O

Its NOT fanless, and im sure the trackpad is worse, and the screen is almost certainly worse, so Im not claiming its better than the Macbook. Obviously those are huge things, and make the product very different, but still.

Shows the next redesign of the Macbook (hopefully no more than a year or two from now) has a good bit it can have done. http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/5/11365474/hp-spectre-13-announced-price-specs-release-date

The Macbook tapers down to 3.5mm. Not only that, it's a 12" screen. The Spectre is 10.4mm with no taper. This makes the Macbook quite a bit smaller volumetrically than the Spectre.

HP's "world's thinnest" is misleading.
 
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Yes, that would be the logical progression. rMB to test the waters and identify what people like and dislike. Leverage that feedback and leave the rMB as the successor to the MBA11 and then redesign the rMBP13 into a similar concept albeit with more ports (there'd be room for them with a 13.3 display)

So let's say that the current rMB replaces the 11" MBA. It gets updated to Skylake and maybe gets a few other hardware tweaks. That's the new low end. The 15" MBP is the new high end. The interesting part is what Apple does with the 13" segment. Currently, if you want a Retina display you have to go with the MBP. But with the Air going away and all models getting Retina screens, what differentiates the MB from the MBP in the new lineup? Might it be the new GPUs that AMD and Nvidia are introducing? That doesn't seem enough of a selling point. They could also have better keyboards and more connectivity options, but again, is that sufficient to market them as "Pro" compared to the 13" MB?
 
At one point in the past there was no 13" MBP; there was the 13" Macbook and 15 & 17" Macbook Pros. I'm completely guessing, but I'd say the rMB remains the only MB. The rMB inspired 13 & 15 models would both carry the Pro designation, along with higher spec cpus, additional ports, and greater memory and SSD capacity options. Maybe they keep either the non-retina MBP13 or MBA13 as a low-price option if they're not able to pull down the rMB pricing.
 
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At one point in the past there was no 13" MBP; there was the 13" Macbook and 15 & 17" Macbook Pros. I'm completely guessing, but I'd say the rMB remains the only MB. The rMB inspired 13 & 15 models would both carry the Pro designation, along with higher spec cpus, additional ports, and greater memory and SSD capacity options. Maybe they keep either the non-retina MBP13 or MBA13 as a low-price option if they're not able to pull down the rMB pricing.
I'm thinking the same thing. Having the 11" and 13" MBA makes sense, because the screen and size really do make a difference. With the 12" it's right in the middle. Adding another 14" (or so) rMB seems weird and difficult to make a case for. Bigger means less portable, which is one of the main selling points of the MB. And bigger also means more room for extra ports, which they probably don't want on the MB because that goes against the whole no-port future they envision. More ports also brings it too close to the MBP for differentiation purposes.

So that leaves:

- Updated MB 12": lower price, with upgradeable CPU/SSD for quite a bit more (fixed on 8GB RAM)
- New thin MBP 13" (or 12" or 14" if that makes sense for the resolution): better CPU/GPU/RAM upgrade options
- New thin MBP 15" (or 14" or 16"): ditto

Seems like a pretty clean and good line-up. The 12" MB will be sufficient for so many people, especially when they can get the starting price down as much as possible. And anyone complaining about ports and speed there's the MBP with a higher price and higher margins. A win for Apple either way.

Apple seems to like keeping everything around as long as possible nowadays, if it still sells, so I'd guess the current MBA 13" and current MBP 13"/15" will be available for a long time after the new models come out. If only for schools, businesses, etc. They'll probably ditch the very old MBP with SuperDrive though (yes, those are still available).
 
Try using it at my University on machines with i5 processors and 8GB of RAM. It's hideous.

Why aren't you using your own computer at school?

I can't speak to the budgets of your university, but what I can tell you is that Windows 10 screams on the current RMB.
 
Why aren't you using your own computer at school?

I can't speak to the budgets of your university, but what I can tell you is that Windows 10 screams on the current RMB.

I use my rMB in class for things like evernote, browsing, word, small excel usage, however when it gets down to doing things like SPSS/Stata, multiple Excel books, regression etc, sometimes I want to use the library PCs.

Windows 10 is definitely more stable than windows 8, but I find it still has its caveats.

Heck, even my Hackintosh running El Capitan is more stable than when it runs Windows 7 or 10.

P.S - University has a massive budget, it's a college within the University of London and in the top 25 Universities worldwide. Suffice to say they are running the latest Dell Machines with broadwell processors.
 
P.S - University has a massive budget, it's a college within the University of London and in the top 25 Universities worldwide. Suffice to say they are running the latest Dell Machines with broadwell processors.
A university with up-to-date hardware? Us Muggles are not privy to such wonders.
 
I haven't found a way to compare the air line to the rMB line side by side physically until walking into a best buy. For those of you who are on the fence or just curious, the way the best buy apple store is set up had the 11" mba next to a 12" rMB. I can't speak for the apple store set up, but from what I can remember, these models were more spread out on different tables.

I own a 2011 11" mba right now, so this was a great way to see physically how the two matched up, of course specs are different being my model is 5 years older. Just about everything had my eyes drawn more to the rMB. I opened two youtube music videos to test out the sound and the new sound bar that the rMB had was superior even with all noise in the store.

The rMB keyboard was interesting compared to the air keyboard. I opened word on both machines to try to type a few sentences. As many have said, it is quite a bit of a learned curve. I read a thread about people returning their rMB because of the keyboard alone. I did worse on the rMB, but being a sucker for the look and feel I would still upgrade and eventually get used to it.

I tested the backlight of the keys after I found the sensors and blocked them out to activate the backlight. The new single leds really make a difference. Its a little feature that some appreciate.

With all that said, I will wait for revision 2 to come out as my air will serve me well for now. I can decide if the revision is worth the upgrade or snag a 1st gen for cheaper.

Random post, but for those who want to see both machines side by side in person maybe check out a best buy and hopefully they have the air places next to the rMB side by side.
 
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Without a fan it will have to. I've yet to see throttling on my rMB.

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Yeah, lucky you. I see this frequently. Not just from Skype either.
 
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