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What would be the best way to handle a fight?

leekohler said:
You've never been bullied, have you?

He isn't messing with him because he wants him to hit him back. He's messing with him because he thinks he won't hit him back. Bullies are cowards down deep, trust me. They lack self esteem and do things like this to prop themselves up. This guy won't get tired of messing with the OP as long as he thinks he'll never hit him back.
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I was bullied from 3rd grade through 11th grade. Believe me, this is the voice of experience. I know bullies are cowards, and they're generally very unhappy people who would deserve help and sympathy if they weren't railing on people. But I have experienced that some of them are trying desperately to goad, to get a reaction. I put up with one for a few months in the way I'm suggesting the OP do, and the bully moved on.

Granted, they're not all the same...But fighting usually leads to more problems, unfortunately. When I read the OP's story, all those old feelings blossomed up and I just felt like taking the kid he's dealing with and beating him to a pulp. But like I say, it seldom solves anything. :(
 
annk said:
I was bullied from 3rd grade through 11th grade. Believe me, this is the voice of experience. I know bullies are cowards, and they're generally very unhappy people who would deserve help and sympathy if they weren't railing on people. But I have experienced that some of them are trying desperately to goad, to get a reaction. I put up with one for a few months in the way I'm suggesting the OP do, and the bully moved on.

Granted, they're not all the same...But fighting usually leads to more problems, unfortunately. When I read the OP's story, all those old feelings blossomed up and I just felt like taking the kid he's dealing with and beating him to a pulp. But like I say, it seldom solves anything. :(
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That's not been my experience with violent bullies. If a bully hits you, they are doing it because they think they can get away with it. If you stand up to these guys, they will back down. If you don't, they will keep doing it and it will get worse.
 
I don't doubt your experience, I'm sure some ARE like that. I guess the problem is that you can't know until after you've tried to hit back which kind they are.

And if this guy really IS stronger than our OP, and he loses it completely when challenged physically, then I would be worried about real physical damage. A coward is going to have his friends there too...I guess if the OP absolutely wants to handle this by fighting, the only advice I can give is to try to arrange to have someone bigger and stronger nearby, as a backup if things start to go really wrong. :(
 
annk said:
I don't doubt your experience, I'm sure some ARE like that. I guess the problem is that you can't know until after you've tried to hit back which kind they are.

And if this guy really IS stronger than our OP, and he loses it completely when challenged physically, then I would be worried about real physical damage. A coward is going to have his friends there too...I guess if the OP absolutely wants to handle this by fighting, the only advice I can give is to try to arrange to have someone bigger and stronger nearby, as a backup if things start to go really wrong. :(
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Believe me...hes not bigger than me...he may be toned, but ive got 2inches and 15punds on him.

anyway, i have to go catch my ride.

thank you all for the advice. :)

-Devin
 
annk said:
I guess if the OP absolutely wants to handle this by fighting, the only advice I can give is to try to arrange to have someone bigger and stronger nearby, as a backup if things start to go really wrong. :(
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Can't really disagree with this. But you cannot allow other people to hit you- ever. That is unacceptable.

killswitch1698 said:
Believe me...hes not bigger than me...he may be toned, but ive got 2inches and 15punds on him.

anyway, i have to go catch my ride.

thank you all for the advice. :)

-Devin
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Just remember- no starting a fight unless he does.
 
This has already passed the stage of physical contact if you're being slapped and pushed the likelihood of this bully backing down is very minimal without some degree of physical correction on your part at this point. I've pointed out that it is possible to inflict physical pain without physical injury, it is best to force submission in a manner that will ridicule your antagonist publicly.
 
Head butt. And make sure to grab his collar while you do it or you'll lose your balance and (possibly) fall over the wrong way. Once you are on top of him and he's crying and blood from his mangled nose is everywhere...finish him.

If you do it right, I guarantee he will never screw with you again.
 
killswitch1698 said:
Believe me...hes not bigger than me...he may be toned, but ive got 2inches and 15punds on him.

anyway, i have to go catch my ride.

thank you all for the advice. :)

-Devin
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2" and 15lbs is nothing if you don't know what to do with it.
I say run and hide or slap with trout.
 
Honestly, I'm not trying to pick a fight :D - I realise there's every possibility you're right about this. I just can't resist pointing out one thing - -

leekohler said:
...But you cannot allow other people to hit you- ever. That is unacceptable.
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If they both feel that way, and they both resort to violence as a solution, it'll never stop. :p

leekohler said:
Just remember- no starting a fight unless he does.
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Agree completely. Not smart to be the one who gets in trouble for this.
 
killswitch1698 said:
He just does stuff like bumps into me on purpose, slaping me in the face, etc.



It's not that I can't handle him, it's just that sometimes i can be too nice, which results in me getting walked all over.

Any suggestions of how to hurt him?
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Being a black belt in karate doesn't give you much leverage in a real fight. If he slaps you in the face in a non-playful manner just gouge him in the throat once and he probably won't do it anymore.
 
Never start a fight but always be prepared. If you're right handed, never carry anything in your right hand - keep it ready. If he hits you first and he's a black belt, tackle him so he can't ninja your ass. Once you have him on the ground, bite his ear or nose off. No one will ever mess with you again.
 
leekohler said:
That's better than getting hit on a regular basis.
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This may be true in 95% of the cases, but some schools restrict AP courses if you have behavioral problems. Not to mention it could effect his schooling if its a long suspension since he won't be attending classes.

Does the kid walk home? :D

Actually the funniest punch I ever saw was after school some kid waved another kid over in his car like he wanted to talk, the kid rolled his window down and the guy just lit him up.
 
NC MacGuy said:
Never start a fight but always be prepared. If you're right handed, never carry anything in your right hand - keep it ready. If he hits you first and he's a black belt, tackle him so he can't ninja your ass. Once you have him on the ground, bite his ear or nose off. No one will ever mess with you again.
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I just want him and everyone else to recognize that im tired of dealing with other peoples ********. I don't want to be known as that psychopathic kid that tears peoples ears off.
 
I would have gone ******* the first time he slapped me. What gives? I don't see how you could literally get slapped in the face by some douche and then just walk to class like nothing happened. The next time it happens, consider a nice tackle/punch to the face combo, yes/no? In which case, he started it.
 
Do you know this kids motivation for bullying you? If you don't, find out! It could be a powerful weapon to get him off your back. Also when he 'slapped' you did he do it to tease, or hurt? If he tried to hurt you with a slap... he ain't a black belt (or his dojo sucks a$$).

In all honesty the best way to handle a bully is to not back down, and maybe push back a little... but you don't have to get physical (until absolutely necessary).

As long as you are prepared to defend yourself, if he starts threatening you mock his threats; make everyone around you know that you think he's a big joke. If he starts asking you questions, disrupt him mid sentence NEVER give a direct answer, hell use the opportunity to mock him... or better yet use the opportunity to pity him.

The goal is to either goad him into an attack, where you are on the defensive, (which is probably his goal BTW) or to embarrass him to the point he doesn't want to engage you.
 
Raid said:
Do you know this kids motivation for bullying you? If you don't, find out! It could be a powerful weapon to get him off your back. Also when he 'slapped' you did he do it to tease, or hurt? If he tried to hurt you with a slap... he ain't a black belt (or his dojo sucks a$$).

In all honesty the best way to handle a bully is to not back down, and maybe push back a little... but you don't have to get physical (until absolutely necessary).

As long as you are prepared to defend yourself, if he starts threatening you mock his threats; make everyone around you know that you think he's a big joke. If he starts asking you questions, disrupt him mid sentence NEVER give a direct answer, hell use the opportunity to mock him... or better yet use the opportunity to pity him.

The goal is to either goad him into an attack, where you are on the defensive, (which is probably his goal BTW) or to embarrass him to the point he doesn't want to engage you.
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Do you have any suggestions of how to embarrass him? Should I be loud and in his face? or what?
 
OK, if you get into a fight this is what you do. By the way, I condone hitting the kid if he touches you first. He shouldn't do that, prove it to him.

If he slaps you again, you hit him back so quickly he hasn't even gotten his arm back to his side. The key to winning fights is to lay a hit down at the EXACT moment you think the fight has started. Be crazy. People don't mess with crazy people. In bar fights there will be a person who says "fight" and everyone walks around each other scoping the other person out. That's a bad move. You have to hit him IMMEDIATELY and HARD.

By the way, I'm the type to just ruin a bully with words. Being as though I'm in college there's no real bullies I have to deal with, but in the past, just insult him and embarrass him. Does he have any embarrassing stories? Spread them, laugh about them, do whatever you want. Has an old girlfriend disclosed any details about a previous relationship? Make them public. Find what he cares about and tell him he's a failure at it. Find whatever he truly cares about and crush him with respect to that.
 
killswitch1698 said:
Do you have any suggestions of how to embarrass him? Should I be loud and in his face? or what?
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Well that all depends on how he goes about pushing you around. Does he do it with an audience? If so then make sure it's loud and in his face. Does he tease you about your weak points? If so find out his (i.e grades, lack of girlfriend... whatever you one-up him on) and mock him with it. If he's constantly challenging you to fight him, say something like "Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite? " (<- stolen from Reservoir Dogs... might be dated :eek: )

Badandy said:
By the way, I'm the type to just ruin a bully with words. Being as though I'm in college there's no real bullies I have to deal with, but in the past, just insult him and embarrass him. Does he have any embarrassing stories? Spread them, laugh about them, do whatever you want.
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I'm the same and I noticed that past high school, bullies just turn in to d**ks in College that tend to drop out their first year.
 
leekohler said:
So the OP should just let the guy hit him and hope it stops? Come on, annk. The OP is getting hit already, more than once. He needs to defend himself.
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Nah, if the guy keeps hitting him he can't just let it continue. My point was that there's something wrong with the logic; if they both decide it's unacceptable to let someone hit them and they respond by hitting, there's a circle going that won't be broken until someone gets seriously hurt.

Actually, I think adults in a school environment need to wake up and learn to be aware when there are tensions going on. It's their responsibility to be aware of the dynamic among the students and prevent students from being bullied. A kid shouldn't have to choose between tattling or fighting. Bullying is serious, and can leave physical and emotional scars. But I know from experience that most teachers are too naive, or they don't want to have to deal with it. My experience is that too many of them choose what they see.

I'm not trying to prolong the debate about violence/non-violence here, I realise most people in this thread don't agree with me and I'm fine with that. Just wanted to answer you since you asked what I really meant. :)
 
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