What’s the first thing you’re going to do now that quarantine is over?

[iOS Geek]

One of my neighbours is a consultant in our local hospital and she worked in infectious diseases for years. She worked with Ebola patients and dealt with those suffering with SARS too. She said COV-19 is worse in that it’s so unpredictable and hard to prevent spreading. I can believe that as a guy I work with has been at home since the end of March, not been out at all except for walks in the fresh air. He tested positive earlier this week after coming down with a cough and a very tight chest. The only place he could have caught it was from his home delivered shopping or deliveries coming to his house. It’s a very scary concept really and I’m giving it the respect it deserves.

I do hate that the media are still giving us the daily death toll which is shocking in its own right, but very little positive news too. We need a balance even if we all know the levels will undoubtedly rise again once restrictions are lifted.

That's pretty scary, no doubt about that. Are you in New York, by chance? I saw a story about Cuomo saying something like 2/3rds of New York's new cases are in people who have been staying home. (I'm not sure of the accuracy of it. But I'm definitely curious). Definitely something to pay close attention to, especially since you know someone who had it happen like that.

And that's what I say about lifting restrictions. It doesn't matter if we do it tomorrow...next week...or a year from now. We'll see a spike. And it's simply due to people going back out. When I see people say we need to stay locked down until there's a vaccine, I have two counter-arguments for that. 1...we STILL haven't developed a vaccine for SARS or MERS. It's been quite a few years since those came around. The odds of developing a vaccine for a coronavirus aren't exactly on our side. But I'm putting my hopes in the "we're going to figure it out" basket. And counter-argument 2...go on Google and search for the "fastest vaccine developed". The results will come up with the mumps vaccination. It took FOUR YEARS. The 12-18 month time frame we are being given for a possible COVID vaccination, is almost unheard of. I believe staying home served a purpose in the beginning...but we are coming to a point where I think staying home is going to do more damage. The "cure" can't be worse than the "disease". The current "cure" we have come up with will eventually become worse than the "disease". This can't be a long term "cure".

 

[michael9891]

Just a point on not having a vaccine for SARS or MERS, I'm pretty sure that because they just went away, the vaccines never made it to human trials because it wasn't needed.

I'm not say saying a vaccine will definitely be made for covid-19, but so much money & resources are being put into finding one.

 

[iOS Geek]

Just a point on not having a vaccine for SARS or MERS, I'm pretty sure that because they just went away, the vaccines never made it to human trials because it wasn't needed.

I'm not say saying a vaccine will definitely be made for covid-19, but so much money & resources are being put into finding one.

Accurate point, for sure. Think about the possibility of a recurrence, though. Is it a likely threat? Eh. Probably not. I'd almost say certainly not. The time frame alone makes it more unlikely as time goes on. You could argue "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" though.

I agree that a COVID-19 vaccine isn't a "definite" thing either. I'm certainly hoping for it and I choose to believe that we'll pull it off. With all of the advancements and money we have at our disposal...if there was ever a time in human history to develop a vaccine for a coronavirus...I choose to believe that we can be the ones to do it and our time will be THE time it happens. I hope for the day that we get up in the morning, turn on the news, and the first thing we hear is "we got it"!

 

[D.T.]

How the fools should be dealt with.

That solves more than one problem ...

 

[michael9891]

Accurate point, for sure. Think about the possibility of a recurrence, though. Is it a likely threat? Eh. Probably not. I'd almost say certainly not. The time frame alone makes it more unlikely as time goes on. You could argue "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" though.

I agree that a COVID-19 vaccine isn't a "definite" thing either. I'm certainly hoping for it and I choose to believe that we'll pull it off. With all of the advancements and money we have at our disposal...if there was ever a time in human history to develop a vaccine for a coronavirus...I choose to believe that we can be the ones to do it and our time will be THE time it happens. I hope for the day that we get up in the morning, turn on the news, and the first thing we hear is "we got it"!

And if it's found by a company funded by Gates, cue all the conspiracy theorists claiming he's trying to control the world. Seriously, the internet is awash with the most ridiculous claims. lol

 

[Hieveryone]

I don't have grandparents any more but I do see older people everywhere I go.

I tell you, old people are real!
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Sometimes I wish, but yeah, never going to happen. Our medical system and its people are way too ethically bound to ever consider such.
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Where in the Constitution does it state we have unimpeded freedom to do whatever we want, at all times, regardless of the harm it may cause to others?

Why don’t you ask the states that have been partially opened or are opening? It was their decision to open up bars etc not mine or yours
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Here is the trend in USA and most states have partially opened up and been partially opened up and from what I’m seeing on the ground, everything is packed. Looks like a clear down trend to me. This so called spike so many claim will happen has not happened to our country as a whole based on this chart of USA. The doomsayers are saying it will happen though.

I, personally, am just using common sense.

Corona, California

See more information about this place on Google

www.google.com

 

[seadragon]

Here is the trend in USA and most states have opened up and been opened up. Looks like a clear down trend to me. This so called spike so many claim will happen has not happened to our country as a whole based on this chart of USA. The doomsayers are saying it will happen though.

Oh yeah? Just wait. This ain’t over despite the celebrating going on. Is Dr. Fauci a “doomsdayer”?

 

[Hieveryone]

Oh yeah? Just wait. This ain’t over despite the celebrating going on. Is Dr. Fauci a “doomsdayer”?

So far the doomsayers have not been right about many things. It’s just all talk

 

[LizKat]

Just a point on not having a vaccine for SARS or MERS, I'm pretty sure that because they just went away, the vaccines never made it to human trials because it wasn't needed.

I'm not say saying a vaccine will definitely be made for covid-19, but so much money & resources are being put into finding one.

I do hate that the media are still giving us the daily death toll which is shocking in its own right, but very little positive news too. We need a balance even if we all know the levels will undoubtedly rise again once restrictions are lifted.

Well every time another coronavirus that made the leap to humans does come around and then finally fades, the scientific community learns much more about their evolving attributes, and what has been useful as either therapy or at least models or even lab-demos of possible vaccine requirements.

What we don't see in the gap between noticeable outbreaks affecting humans, of course, is evolving attributes of the ongoing viable mutations that may affect just lower animals, and even then fade out because they don't have the right grip on contagion or a good hook in a plentiful host. But then one day somes another lucky strike for some other mutation and we're off to the races again trying to catch up.

Not sure we need "a balance" from the media when the facts are what they are and it can seem unclear whether people understand them (or care to understand them). For "balance" what we might need is just not to expose ourselves continually to the news in a given day. I only read newspapers and don't watch TV news. But I do know that even just reading online papers can become TMI if one leaves notifications on or takes a lot of email briefings. Once or twice a day with the news is enough for most of us.

But maybe the front page presentation of coronavirus-related news should change as things open up now, short of reporting spikes in local area infections. Would be great to see all that slide back to page A3 at least. Put that pic of a kid eating an ice cream cone in the summer heat on Page One. My local paper popped this up today and I thought it was a great model for some of the national papers to consider... has news we need to know but there's reason to smile right in the middle of it all.

 

[seadragon]

So far the doomsayers have not been right about many things. It’s just all talk

So, pandemic over according to... you? LOL

 

[Hieveryone]

So, pandemic over according to... you? LOL

I mean if you or someone wants to stay at home and wait because you think doomsday is coming that’s fine it’s a free country. Nobody should judge others for not wanting to go out.

But the roads, bars, and restaurants are packed for a reason

 

[michael9891]

So far the doomsayers have not been right about many things. It’s just all talk

Do enlighten us on what the "doomsayers" have got wrong. I'm really looking forward to hearing what a wise person such as yourself thinks.

I find it particularly amusing that people say because they haven't seen a second spike/wave after a week or two, it won't come. Might take weeks, months or in the winter. Might not come at all, but if history tells us anything about pandemics, it most likely will.

Anyone who gets their information from places other than Trumps twitter account would know that.
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But the roads, bars, and restaurants are packed for a reason

Because they all have common sense?

 

[Hieveryone]

Do enlighten us on what the "doomsayers" have got wrong. I'm really looking forward to hearing what a wise person such as yourself thinks.

I find it particularly amusing that people say because they haven't seen a second spike/wave after a week or two, it won't come. Might take weeks, months or in the winter. Might not come at all, but if history tells us anything about pandemics, it most likely will.

Anyone who gets their information from places other than Trumps twitter account would know that.

Well if you want to stay at home for the next few weeks, months, or years because you’re afraid to go out then you can do that but I and millions of other Americans are out and about living our lives

 

[LizKat]

But the roads, bars, and restaurants are packed for a reason

We don't like being constrained for any reason really, not for weather or a traffic jam or for Covid-19. But wherever people are mingling nowadays without observing social distancing, spikes of infection will ensue from that point and from wherever they live when they go home from those "packed" places.

The reason for a slow-go and observing social distancing even after local businesses re-open is to allow infections to occur at a rate that won't overwhelm first responders and hospital resources.

 

[Hieveryone]

We don't like being constrained for any reason really, not for weather or a traffic jam or for Covid-19. But wherever people are mingling nowadays without observing social distancing, spikes of infection will ensue from that point and from wherever they live when they go home from those "packed" places.

The reason for a slow-go and observing social distancing even after local businesses re-open is to allow infections to occur at a rate that won't overwhelm first responders and hospital resources.

Well we can’t say they’re not social distancing either.

The bars I’ve seen are full but everyone’s still being careful

I haven’t seen any recklessness yet

 

[michael9891]

Well if you want to stay at home for the next few weeks, months, or years because you’re afraid to go out then you can do that but I and millions of other Americans are out and about living our lives

You didn't answer my question. I asked what the doomsayers have got wrong?

I didn't say we should all stay at home for weeks, months or years. I said a second wave might not come for weeks, months or in the winter. Which is why we shouldn't automatically assume it won't come after just a week or two.

 

[seadragon]

I’m sorry, but anyone “packing in” to any place right now are just fools, plain and simple.

 

[iOS Geek]

And if it's found by a company funded by Gates, cue all the conspiracy theorists claiming he's trying to control the world. Seriously, the internet is awash with the most ridiculous claims. lol

Ha, no kidding. That's an understatement, for sure!

 

[Hieveryone]

You didn't answer my question. I asked what the doomsayers have got wrong?

I didn't say we should all stay at home for weeks, months or years. I said a second wave might not come for weeks, months or in the winter. Which is why we shouldn't automatically assume it won't come after just a week or two.

They haven’t been right about the wave based on the link I posted but yes we can’t assume anything so if you think doom is coming maybe you should just stay at home and wait (?) Who knows maybe one day you’ll be right

 

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Ever have the feeling you are being trolled?

 

[michael9891]

They haven’t been right about the wave based on the link I posted but yes we can’t assume anything so if you think doom is coming maybe you should just stay at home and wait (?) Who knows maybe one day you’ll be right

It's been, what 2 weeks since some states opened/partially opened?

Please provide evidence to your claim that "they" (I assume you mean medical/science experts) said a second wave would come after 2 weeks.
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Ever have the feeling you are being trolled?

I have time to kill. Plus I'm interested in the thought process of a rich, successful guy who works on Wall Street and can afford to drop millions on a house simply by asking advice on MacRumours. I hope to learn how to better myself.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

So far the doomsayers have not been right about many things. It’s just all talk

I mean if you or someone wants to stay at home and wait because you think doomsday is coming that’s fine it’s a free country. ..........

Oh yeah? Just wait. This ain’t over despite the celebrating going on. Is Dr. Fauci a “doomsdayer”?

Exactly.

Is Dr Fauci a "doomsayer"? Is Dr Rick Bright a "doomsayer"?

Well if you want to stay at home for the next few weeks, months, or years because you’re afraid to go out then you can do that but I and millions of other Americans are out and about living our lives

As of today, (May 14), the CDC's own statistics for the total number of Americans who have been infected by this virus is a shocking 1,384,930, while the number of Americans who have actually died from this condition comes to a total of 83,947.

And, it appears that the numbers of those counted as unemployed in the US are now around 36 million people.

Perhaps, this is not a "doomsday scenario", but would you not agree that this is somewhat troubling, a matter of no small concern, both as an issue of public health and as an issue of economic well being?

 

[LizKat]

Well we can’t say they’re not social distancing either.

The bars I’ve seen are full but everyone’s still being careful

I haven’t seen any recklessness yet

We can't say much of anything about your situation since you're not forthcoming about where it is.

Bars in some areas of Wisconsin for example are not "full"... they're far less than that, to observe distancing guidelines, e.g. two seats apart at a bar, or around 1/4 of the former tables set up for drinks/dining.

To suggest that places in general could be full is to say the owners are reckless, never mind the patrons.

And there are other, more logistical issues. One Wisconsin restaurateur noted that he's been serving just takeout and if he suddenly opened his place to inside dining, he'd run out of food to cook with. And, he noted, right now he doesn't know for sure that all his staff is even safe and fit to work.

So it will take some time, which is what a gradual re-opening is supposed to be about anyway. People have to feel safe going to work or as customers in places that were usually more crowded than they should be these days after a relaunch, and wholesale-retail supply chains have to be readjusted yet again.

 

[Hieveryone]

It's been, what 2 weeks since some states opened/partially opened?

Please provide evidence to your claim that "they" (I assume you mean medical/science experts) said a second wave would come after 2 weeks.
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I have time to kill. Plus I'm interested in the thought process of a rich, successful guy who works on Wall Street and can afford to drop millions on a house simply by asking advice on MacRumours. I hope to learn how to better myself.

Where’s the evidence that it will come?
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We can't say much of anything about your situation since you're not forthcoming about where it is.

Bars in some areas of Wisconsin for example are not "full"... they're far less than that, to observe distancing guidelines, e.g. two seats apart at a bar, or around 1/4 of the former tables set up for drinks/dining.

To suggest that places in general could be full is to say the owners are reckless, never mind the patrons.

And there are other, more logistical issues. One Wisconsin restaurateur noted that he's been serving just takeout and if he suddenly opened his place to inside dining, he'd run out of food to cook with. And, he noted, right now he doesn't know for sure that all his staff is even safe and fit to work.

So it will take some time, which is what a gradual re-opening is supposed to be about anyway. People have to feel safe going to work or as customers in places that were usually more crowded than they should be these days after a relaunch, and wholesale-retail supply chains have to be readjusted yet again.

Well I think it depends.

As long as people are following local rules I don’t have a problem.

Our mayor said use common sense so that’s important too
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Exactly.

Is Dr Fauci a "doomsayer"? Is Dr Rick Bright a "doomsayer"?



As of today, (May 14), the CDC's own statistics for the total number of Americans who have been infected by this virus is a shocking 1,384,930, while the number of Americans who have actually died from this condition comes to a total number of 83,947.

And, it appears that the numbers of those counted as unemployed in the US now comes to around 36 million people.

Perhaps, this is not a "doomsday scenario", but would you not agree that this is somewhat troubling, both as an issue of public health and an issue of economic well being?

Well you’re talking about the past Americans are looking to the future...

 

[michael9891]

Where’s the evidence that it will come?
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Well I think it depends.

As long as people are following local rules I don’t have a problem.

Our mayor said use common sense so that’s important too
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Well you’re talking about the past Americans are looking to the future...

You clearly said the "doomsayers" got it wrong as a second wave hasn't occurred. It's been 2 weeks at most since states opened up. So where did they say it would happen within 2 weeks?

Looking to the future of further economic damage and unemployment?