When the 13-inch MacBook Pro with retina display is going to be released?

[skaertus]

If this is the new direction Apple is turning, with closed, non user upgradable systems and becoming more of a gadget manufacturer I guess this one will be my last Mac, why pay a higher price if making computers for professionals isn't going to be the main focus anymore? I used and enjoyed Macs in my work for many years but the unnecessary hype they are putting on a smartphone for example and "forget" about the Mac Pro, the flagship desktop, supposedly professional oriented computer it really makes me doubt about the will of Apple
to make computers anymore.
Maybe they should split into 2 separated divisions one for the iToys and one for the real stuff

Well, you should look at these news (not fresh news, it's from yesterday, and perhaps you have already taken a look): http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/03/apple-wants-to-move-macs-away-from-intel-chips---report

There have been reports before of Apple migrating Macs to the ARM architecture. In my opinion, Apple may already have some prototype of ARM-based Mac running OS X, but of course this should be top-secret by now. It would be a hard move. Anyway, if Apple really does that, there will be serious compatibility problems with software which was written for the Mac; and this may even scare away developers. And how would the Mac run Windows in a virtual machine? Will the Mac become just another iToy? A more expensive, premium one?

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I'm sorry to say but; Apple has gone mainstream, buddy

Well, and I suppose that going mainstream means to focus on all of this hype (oh my, the iPhone is now available in white!!!). And for those people who don't really believe that the release of Bad Piggies was the biggest news of the week?

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I'm also very uncertain about the 13" rMBP's screen. In the end it will only be an effective resolution of 1280, which really feels as if it's far too low for my purposes and scaling up sounds really bad, as I'm building websites and need to take care of single pixels.

Yes, it's true. But you will be able to zoom out any document or website without losing quality.

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I'm takin a break from the massive response quotes since we will soon see whether Apple will bring a rMBP 13", and at what price point.

Wise decision. But the latest news point to the release of iPad mini, and not retina MacBook Pro, in October. Well, let's see.

If the rMBP 13" follows the trend of the 15" version, then that means you'll have the option to scale to higher effective desktop resolutions like 1440 x 900 or 1680 x 1050. Both of which will give you significantly more desk space and still remain sharp, though I wonder how much of a performance hit it would be on the 13" model...

1680 x 1050 on 13" looks about the same as 1920 x 1200 on 15" from what I can tell (same pixel density count). And if it's like that, I bet you will love the 13" rMBP since I love my 15" rMBP at 1920 x 1200. It looks super sharp, gives almost no distinction between Retina and non-Retina ("almost" because I can still notice non-Retina being blurrier), and the desk space is huge.

1920x1200 on a 15.4-inch: 147 ppi
1680x1050 on a 13.3-inch: 148 ppi

That's really about the same. And there will probably be software allowing you to use full 2560x1600 resolution on the 13-inch rMBP...

 

[Freyqq]

Well, you should look at these news (not fresh news, it's from yesterday, and perhaps you have already taken a look): http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/03/apple-wants-to-move-macs-away-from-intel-chips---report

There have been reports before of Apple migrating Macs to the ARM architecture. In my opinion, Apple may already have some prototype of ARM-based Mac running OS X, but of course this should be top-secret by now. It would be a hard move. Anyway, if Apple really does that, there will be serious compatibility problems with software which was written for the Mac; and this may even scare away developers. And how would the Mac run Windows in a virtual machine? Will the Mac become just another iToy? A more expensive, premium one?

I doubt that would happen. First, they would have to come out with a processor that is superior to its intel counterpart. I seriously doubt they can match or exceed intel at this point. Second, it would break all compatibility with their products. Third, they could just also include an A6 processor in there too and use it for whatever while leaving the intel chip in there too. These cell phone ARM processors cost like $30. Finally, their stock would plummet.

Hypothetically, if they ever did, I would personally switch back to PC and never use macs again. The reason I completely switched to osx in the first place was because I could dual-boot into windows when I needed it. Without that feature, you are completely isolated in the walled garden that is osx with no way to use competing products from microsoft in windows.

 

[jacob.schmidt]

Well, and I suppose that going mainstream means to focus on all of this hype (oh my, the iPhone is now available in white!!!). And for those people who don't really believe that the release of Bad Piggies was the biggest news of the week?

Yes

 

[skaertus]

I doubt that would happen. First, they would have to come out with a processor that is superior to its intel counterpart. I seriously doubt they can match or exceed intel at this point. Second, it would break all compatibility with their products. Third, they could just also include an A6 processor in there too and use it for whatever while leaving the intel chip in there too. These cell phone ARM processors cost like $30. Finally, their stock would plummet.

Hypothetically, if they ever did, I would personally switch back to PC and never use macs again. The reason I completely switched to osx in the first place was because I could dual-boot into windows when I needed it. Without that feature, you are completely isolated in the walled garden that is osx with no way to use competing products from microsoft in windows.

Me too. Mac sales saw a boost when Apple started using Intel processors back in 2006. It would be really stupid to switch to anything else, since one of the great things about the Mac is that it is also a PC.

Apple would leave us with no software if it did that. We wouldn't be able to run Windows, at least at native speed (as we would have to emulate an Intel processor, or use Windows 8 RT instead...). And the wallet garden would have fewer plants, because several developers would never re-write their software to run on a different processor... it has happened before when Apple switched processors. Now it's time to settle.

 

[yanksrock100]

Anyone else think that during the speculated iPad mini keynote, we will see a 13 rMBP? I hope so.
If it doesn't come out by 2013, I will probably just get a high spec'd MBA.

 

[jacob.schmidt]

Anyone else think that during the speculated iPad mini keynote, we will see a 13 rMBP? I hope so.
If it doesn't come out by 2013, I will probably just get a high spec'd MBA.

Umm.. Don't you think this thread includes speculations regarding that?

 

[skaertus]

Anyone else think that during the speculated iPad mini keynote, we will see a 13 rMBP? I hope so.
If it doesn't come out by 2013, I will probably just get a high spec'd MBA.

Well, I don't think they would do that. Very, very unlikely. I know how much you would like a new retina MacBook Pro to be released this year. Most of us would like it too. But it is becoming more and more unlikely as the focus of everything turns (again) to iOS devices.

 

[whiteonline]

I'm guessing we'll see the 13" rMBP at the rumored iPad mini debut.
The 15" came out to much fanfare; the 13" is nothing revolutionary in comparison, so a big unveil is not necessary.

 

[DVD9]

I'm guessing we'll see the 13" rMBP at the rumored iPad mini debut.
The 15" came out to much fanfare; the 13" is nothing revolutionary in comparison, so a big unveil is not necessary.

The Retina Pro did not get it's own event. It shared the stage with iOS6 and Maps. The Retina was center stage for maybe one third of the event.

 

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The Retina Pro did not get it's own event. It shared the stage with iOS6 and Maps. The Retina was center stage for maybe one third of the event.

And they do need to show the next iMac. The current gen has been around since mid 2011 and they're still selling them at the originial price, which is more than ridiculous. 13" rMBP or not, I can't believe they'll skip a whole year of iMacs.

And a third event? It's possible that they'd release the iPad Mini now and the iMac later, maybe in time with the earnings report. But I really doubt they'd host THAT many events in such a short time.

 

[papetorh]

launch imminent

Well, I don't think they would do that. Very, very unlikely. I know how much you would like a new retina MacBook Pro to be released this year. Most of us would like it too. But it is becoming more and more unlikely as the focus of everything turns (again) to iOS devices.

I think you are wrong, ive seen your previous post, and apple will in fact release the retina macbook pro 13 this year, not sure if it will on ipad mini event, but according, to NPD displays screens are being shiped since july, also digitmes which is not such as good reputation leaker agrees with this info, and remember ming chi from KGI securities, this guy has such a good record that he even predicted the new ipods, ipads date and so on. I also recieved an email from Ming saying that i should wait very soon for the retina macbook pro 13 to be launch.

 

[skaertus]

I think you are wrong, ive seen your previous post, and apple will in fact release the retina macbook pro 13 this year, not sure if it will on ipad mini event, but according, to NPD displays screens are being shiped since july, also digitmes which is not such as good reputation leaker agrees with this info, and remember ming chi from KGI securities, this guy has such a good record that he even predicted the new ipods, ipads date and so on. I also recieved an email from Ming saying that i should wait very soon for the retina macbook pro 13 to be launch.

I hope you are right. I just don't see it happening, but I may be wrong.

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And they do need to show the next iMac. The current gen has been around since mid 2011 and they're still selling them at the originial price, which is more than ridiculous. 13" rMBP or not, I can't believe they'll skip a whole year of iMacs.

Apple never drops the prices. The iPod Classic is years old, and it's still sold at the same price point.

But the iMac is being neglected for a long time.

And a third event? It's possible that they'd release the iPad Mini now and the iMac later, maybe in time with the earnings report. But I really doubt they'd host THAT many events in such a short time.

Me too.

 

[papetorh]

ming response to rmb 13

Few weeks ago i contacted ming chi Kuo from KGI and here is his reponse towards my email. Hope he is right, but as you said with apple you never know for sure.

 

[skaertus]

Few weeks ago i contacted ming chi Kuo from KGI and here is his reponse towards my email. Hope he is right, but as you said with apple you never know for sure.

That was nice!

However, he didn't say much, actually. He didn't say when he expects the 13-inch retina to be released...

On another note, the Wall Street Journal is reporting today that Apple has ordered 10 million units of the new iPad Mini: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/10/07/buzz-building-for-smaller-apple-tablet/ (why isn't Mac Rumors reporting these news?). No word on the 13-inch retina, though...

 

[jasonfodor]

anyone hear new? I don't know if I should wait longer or buy something else. I originally heard mbp13retina release in early September. Which didn't happen, but I saw reports from apple that apple has started production on mbp13retina on Sept 10. So I thought ok it's coming in next week or two. But a month after that, still no mbp13retina. I noticed other sites aren't really updating or talking about mbp13retina.

 

[papetorh]

anyone hear new? I don't know if I should wait longer or buy something else. I originally heard mbp13retina release in early September. Which didn't happen, but I saw reports from apple that apple has started production on mbp13retina on Sept 10. So I thought ok it's coming in next week or two. But a month after that, still no mbp13retina. I noticed other sites aren't really updating or talking about mbp13retina.

Same here but if you waited just wait until the 17 th which is ipad mini event,use it as a deadline.

 

[skaertus]

anyone hear new? I don't know if I should wait longer or buy something else. I originally heard mbp13retina release in early September. Which didn't happen, but I saw reports from apple that apple has started production on mbp13retina on Sept 10. So I thought ok it's coming in next week or two. But a month after that, still no mbp13retina. I noticed other sites aren't really updating or talking about mbp13retina.

Do you need to buy a new laptop right now? The 13-inch MacBook Pro is at the end of its lifetime. A new design is coming. It will come when Haswell is released, at the latest. The last refresh was almost four months ago, and it is probably the last incarnation of the current 13-inch line.

 

[jacob.schmidt]

Ahhhh... The Air looks better and better!

 

[yanksrock100]

I think you are wrong, ive seen your previous post, and apple will in fact release the retina macbook pro 13 this year, not sure if it will on ipad mini event, but according, to NPD displays screens are being shiped since july, also digitmes which is not such as good reputation leaker agrees with this info, and remember ming chi from KGI securities, this guy has such a good record that he even predicted the new ipods, ipads date and so on. I also recieved an email from Ming saying that i should wait very soon for the retina macbook pro 13 to be launch.

I almost forgot about him. He has a very good track record, there were MANY more things he predicted correct too. I think he predicted the 15 rMBP also.

 

[0x000000]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57528390-37/13-inch-retina-macbook-pro-on-track-says-analyst/

cnet and Richard Shim seemingly reported today that the 13" rMBP is on track for release in Q4, while sadly having no idea about whether it will be released alongside the rumored iPad mini or not... Not sure about their reliability, but still, it's one of few news in a long time. Together with papetorh's mail frm Kuo:

At least the analysts seem to still be rather positive.

 

[skaertus]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57528390-37/13-inch-retina-macbook-pro-on-track-says-analyst/

cnet and Richard Shim seemingly reported today that the 13" rMBP is on track for release in Q4, while sadly having no idea about whether it will be released alongside the rumored iPad mini or not... Not sure about their reliability, but still, it's one of few news in a long time. Together with papetorh's mail frm Kuo:

At least the analysts seem to still be rather positive.

Finally some news...

 

[papetorh]

Finally some news...

Yes indeed, i think they read our posts here and finally decided to contact someone on the matter. Lets cross fingers and hope for it on the 17 th.

 

[skaertus]

Yes indeed, i think they read our posts here and finally decided to contact someone on the matter. Lets cross fingers and hope for it on the 17 th.

I think hardly somebody in the press is reading these posts here...

I don't think the retina 13-inch MacBook Pro is going to be released so soon. The analyst says that the laptop is on track for production in the fourth quarter of 2012, which has just begun. There's no word on a release date yet, although it shouldn't be too far away.

 

[mobidutch]

I don't think the retina 13-inch MacBook Pro is going to be released so soon. The analyst says that the laptop is on track for production in the fourth quarter of 2012, which has just begun. There's no word on a release date yet, although it shouldn't be too far away.

I'd be happy already if this rumored 17th event mentions a 13" rMBP with a available-to-order date of e.g "sometime November", never mind if shipping dates move into December. It would at least help me make the decision of waiting versus going with something else. But if shipping would really fall into late Q4, I don't think the rMBP will be mentioned as it could unnecessarily cannibalize sales of the current Macbooks.

 

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but if shipping would really fall into late Q4, I don't think the rMBP will be mentioned as it could unnecessarily cannibalize sales of the current Macbooks.

That only seemingly makes sense, because even if you knew something was coming, you would still buy Apple and your money goes to them. And of you were to buy a MBP now, you wouldn't buy a rMBP anytime soon, even if they released a 13" You'd feel betrayed, and nothing's won.