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I feel the same, and I think we will for at least another month.

I hope that we get some hints, whether explicit or not, around Sept 12th. I do need a new machine bdadly — some of my projects (work and otherwise) are lagging behind simply because my 2006 iMac is way too slow — and I can't afford a "temporary" machine to tide me over, not at this stage. Just getting everything set up efficiently would take too long.
Maybe we should pester Mr. Dalrymple on Twitter and ask for some info. I tried once and hasn't replied, but maybe if more people try he'll cave in. :(
 
I hope that we get some hints, whether explicit or not, around Sept 12th. I do need a new machine bdadly — some of my projects (work and otherwise) are lagging behind simply because my 2006 iMac is way too slow — and I can't afford a "temporary" machine to tide me over, not at this stage. Just getting everything set up efficiently would take too long.
Maybe we should pester Mr. Dalrymple on Twitter and ask for some info. I tried once and hasn't replied, but maybe if more people try he'll cave in. :(

Don't you think if he knew something he would tell ? The more gossip he can post the better for him and his page.

I'm in nearly the same situation as you. I have a 2009 iMac and it struggles with the heavy tasks I'm pushing it through. I need a faster iMac. Current iMac on the market could almost be enough if maxed out, but I want something even stronger to hold me at least a couple of years.
 
Don't you think if he knew something he would tell ? The more gossip he can post the better for him and his page.

I'm in nearly the same situation as you. I have a 2009 iMac and it struggles with the heavy tasks I'm pushing it through. I need a faster iMac. Current iMac on the market could almost be enough if maxed out, but I want something even stronger to hold me at least a couple of years.

The current iMac is enough for me, too.
But it's preposterous to be "forced" to buy it when it's been now superseded by newer technology.

On the Mac world, it's always been "you pay more, but you get the best on offer". Not anymore, at least in terms of iMacs.
 
Yet here you are, so desperate for their product you took several minutes to inform the internet of your passion and simultaneous rabid need for their product.

That's a shallow grave indeed.

That's exactly the point.
Keeping someone that really wants your product frustrated is not a good business decision.

User-wise, what do you gain from Apple's secrecies?

And what does Apple gain?
I can only see:
-selling older machines for high prices
-selling machines to people that wanted better specs but have to "make do" with what's available (aka frustrating the buyer).
 
And what does Apple gain?
I can only see:
-selling older machines for high prices
-selling machines to people that wanted better specs but have to "make do" with what's available (aka frustrating the buyer).

Not to defend Apple (I am one of the frustrated wannabe buyers after all), but the Osborne effect is around the corner. Of course for Apple it would be much less powerful, but if — let's just pretend for a second — they say "the new iMac will be released on October 2nd" and nobody, literally, buys the current 2011, they'd be left with a solid month of no sales. It's not a matter of stock, after all they are said to have a five-day stock turnaround so they could sell those as refurbished and still at least break even. It's the lost revenue that would make a dent, albeit small.

Now the iMac has been rumored for well over six months, ie. the first consistent rumors were about them coming with Ivy Bridge. If sales had stopped, or dropped sharply, since that moment in time, it would have been a fairly big dip. Basically only those who urgently needed a computer would have bought, and the others would have waited. I'm actually pretty sure that even those who needed a computer would have waited if possible: we've seen that there are at least several people in this very thread that are doing exactly so (I think I'm the one with the oldest iMac, 2006, doing so.)

On the other hand, such long delay is frankly hard to understand. Are they making a brand new, redesigned iMac that hovers on an air cushion and has a 3D retina screen that doesn't require glasses, comes with 2 TB SSD built-in, has facial recognition, built-in GPS and LTE, 10 Thunderbolt ports, 16 USB3 ports, 3 x HDMI in/out/thru, and has Steve Job's "one more thing" instead of the "bonnnng" sound when you turn it on? Cool, neat. But since it's taking so frigging long why not release a stopgap "mid-2012" iMac at the WWDC with Ivy Bridge and slightly better graphics? And they did know it'd take so long, this is clearly a deliberate marketing choice (and that's why I fail to understand it): if these alleged screen lamination issues have popped up in July, it means that it started production in July. Had production started in April, say, they would have had them in April.

What's terrifying is that it took them TEN MONTHS to solve the production issues with the white iPhone 4 (introduced and promised on June 24th 2010, it was made available on April 28th 2011), so exactly what are we looking at here?

It's surreal that there seems to be no plan B: if issues persist, delay the tentative release for the new wonderful iMac (after all nobody knows what the schedule is) and quickly stick Ivy Bridge and perhaps better graphics into the current iMac design. They don't even have to paint the USB ports blue like PC makers do.

I'm still hoping for a silent refresh immediately before or after the Sept 12th even. After all that's a Wednesday, so it may very well that something new pops up the day before.

In any event, pun intended, this is all very frustrating. Maybe I should really get a 2011 refurb, convince myself that I will never need USB3, and be done with it. :rolleyes:
 
LOL exactly, buying a new machine gives you a couple of years of range before you start caring about rumors again. :D

Yep. Honestly unless Retina is super important to you, or you do heavy CPU work, I can't see you wanting a 2013 after owning a 2012.
 
Yep. Honestly unless Retina is super important to you, or you do heavy CPU work, I can't see you wanting a 2013 after owning a 2012.

I couldn't care less about Retina, but USB3, better gfx, bigger HD and maybe more memory are what is making me wait.

At the very least, release versions with better HD and RAM for the same price.
I'm sure the parts, being (more than) one year old, are costing them much less.

I understand some of Apple's reasons, but from a user point of view, this is crap.
 
I couldn't care less about Retina, but USB3, better gfx, bigger HD and maybe more memory are what is making me wait.

At the very least, release versions with better HD and RAM for the same price.
I'm sure the parts, being (more than) one year old, are costing them much less.

I understand some of Apple's reasons, but from a user point of view, this is crap.

Line me up right behind you... IMac 2009 24"... 8GB Ram. I have upgraded cameras, video equipment, and use Apples Pro software lineup to Aperture and FCPX, and my job puts 50GB per week into the pipeline for offloading (at USB2 speeds), processing (at Core 2 Duo Speeds), and storing (at HDD 5400) and backing up (at FW800 speeds).

I am waiting for USB3 to offload the files, the new processors to improve rendering 5x, and the new Drobo 5D with SSD slot for storage. And I want to start working with uncompressed 1080p files, which are even bigger.

This will be a huge leap forward in productivity, capacity, and output.

Retina on iMac is nice-to-have but not necessary. Yet, I think that's the hold-up. Apple is now standing in the way of my ability to grow and serve more clients with better work.

Buying the current iMac at these prices is like paying full sticker for last years car model. Depreciation alone has already taken these down below market. Just look at Crucial.coms memory prices - $100 for 16GB Ram vs $300.

Apple needs to have clearance prices on last year's model inventory, and supplier agreements to swap out excessive inventory parts.

They know all of this. They know people like us aren't going to overpay for last years tech, and are getting really frustrated with the pointless delay for a steongly upgraded non-retina iMac. Thats why I think it really is all about a 27" Retina display, in volume, price and power, that is the holdup.
 
I'm so sick of waiting for this computer. We're coming up on a year and a half since an update. I want it mostly to work on photo and video projects; Adobe Creative Suite is pretty similar cross platform, so it'll be easy for me to jump ship. And Windows is now sleek and powerful enough that I won't miss OSX one bit.

FWIW, I think Apple is delaying the iMac because they want to secure their position as a preeminent laptop maker - between their longstanding neglect of the iMac, PowerMac and Mac Mini, that's clearly where they think their future in computing lies.

And I personally won't want a retina display in my iMac - the current display is excellent, and I don't want to waste computing power on that level of resolution.
 
I'm so sick of waiting for this computer. We're coming up on a year and a half since an update.

I'm so sick of Apple falling behind. It's just a sick joke that their "so-called pro" doesn't have USB3 or TB.

I stopped waiting when 10.8 came out. Finally put my hackintosh together. i7-3770k, tons of memory, storage, etc, beats any mac currently available (maybe except the high end pros), and under $1000. It's a fantastic machine and I strongly recommend that route to anyone waiting for apple to get their crap together.

I bought an MBP last fall, and had every intention of buying a 2012 iMac, but if the future pro's have soldered ram and proprietary storage, my 2011 will be my last mac. That kind of crap is way more of a dealbreaker for me than losing macOS would be.

I had a friend I'd finally convinced to buy a mac, they were all primed to get a mini, but I told them to wait because USB3 is must have and HD4000 graphics are worth the wait. They ended up with a PC months ago.
 
I'm so sick of Apple falling behind. It's just a sick joke that their "so-called pro" doesn't have USB3 or TB..

The Mac Pro uses boards that, when they were released, did not have support Thunderbolt or USB 3. Blame Intel on that one if you must (they were really behind with native USB3 support) - its a completely different architecture. The next revision (which Apple has said that it will be available in 2013 should have support. Remember, at the time that Apple last did a board revision neither interface was really available - TB may have been but it wasn't on the server boards.


The Mac Pros use very specific boards that are only just now readily available. They are not comparable to anything else that Apple sells - not even the iMac which uses Desktop processors. The iMac is not what what many would consider a "pro" system. It doesn't have the cores that the Pro has.
 
Store is down. Maybe they faked us out and waited for Wednesday, those clever sons of ------.
 
I'm so sick of waiting for this computer. We're coming up on a year and a half since an update. I want it mostly to work on photo and video projects; Adobe Creative Suite is pretty similar cross platform, so it'll be easy for me to jump ship. And Windows is now sleek and powerful enough that I won't miss OSX one bit.

FWIW, I think Apple is delaying the iMac because they want to secure their position as a preeminent laptop maker - between their longstanding neglect of the iMac, PowerMac and Mac Mini, that's clearly where they think their future in computing lies.

And I personally won't want a retina display in my iMac - the current display is excellent, and I don't want to waste computing power on that level of resolution.

you're right Jaze, I am beginning to get the same frame of mind. I even had a dream I bought a bunch of PC parts to start building last night hahaha. I wanted to upgrade 6 months ago but back then the rumors were still flying about the next iMac just around the corner so I have been waiting since... Not fun.

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Store is down. Maybe they faked us out and waited for Wednesday, those clever sons of ------.

I think we would have seen some rumour stuff about the imac if this store down time was to do with it :(
 
I'm so sick of Apple falling behind. It's just a sick joke that their "so-called pro" doesn't have USB3 or TB.

I stopped waiting when 10.8 came out. Finally put my hackintosh together. i7-3770k, tons of memory, storage, etc, beats any mac currently available (maybe except the high end pros), and under $1000. It's a fantastic machine and I strongly recommend that route to anyone waiting for apple to get their crap together.

I did the same thing, my 2010 Mac Mini is on its last legs, so built basically the same system as you. i7-3770k, 16 gig mem, ssd drive, and 660ti graphics card. It boots in seconds and is very fast. It will keep me satisfied until new Macs are introduced.

For me, its hard for me to understand why Apple who prides themselves in selling only the best hardware, would sell a desktop that is over a year without an update, not to mention what's happening with the Mac Pro. Was really surprised that we didn't see at least a spec update in July for the iMac. Can only believe that its because they want to do a complete redesign of the machine, which is great, but damn the wait is annoying!
 
I did the same thing, my 2010 Mac Mini is on its last legs, so built basically the same system as you. i7-3770k, 16 gig mem, ssd drive, and 660ti graphics card. It boots in seconds and is very fast. It will keep me satisfied until new Macs are introduced.

For me, its hard for me to understand why Apple who prides themselves in selling only the best hardware, would sell a desktop that is over a year without an update, not to mention what's happening with the Mac Pro. Was really surprised that we didn't see at least a spec update in July for the iMac. Can only believe that its because they want to do a complete redesign of the machine, which is great, but damn the wait is annoying!

yup, would be kinda funny if what comes out in a month or two is the same old machine only with a different GPU. Mac Pro Style! :) Would you buy it ?
 
yup, would be kinda funny if what comes out in a month or two is the same old machine only with a different GPU. Mac Pro Style! :) Would you buy it ?

If it has USB3, I would. Even with the same GPU. The dealbreaker for me is USB3, honestly. (Well that, and the fact that paying yesterday's price for yesterday's machine yadda yadda you know how it goes...)
 
The Mac Pro uses boards that, when they were released, did not have support Thunderbolt or USB 3. Blame Intel on that one if you must

Wait...I should blame Intel that Apple hasn't upgraded the motherboard in their most expensive product for over 2 years? What delusional world do you live in? If apple still sold Core Solo based macbooks from 2005-6, could you say that was Intel's fault because that was teh best Intel made when the Core Solo was released? Your lack of logic is just mindboggling.


The Mac Pros use very specific boards that are only just now readily available. They are not comparable to anything else that Apple sells - not even the iMac which uses Desktop processors.

Every product Apple makes uses "very specific boards" that aren't readily available until apple says they are. That entire paragraph of yours was a nullity.
 
The Mac Pro uses boards that, when they were released, did not have support Thunderbolt or USB 3. Blame Intel on that one if you must (they were really behind with native USB3 support) - its a completely different architecture. The next revision (which Apple has said that it will be available in 2013 should have support. Remember, at the time that Apple last did a board revision neither interface was really available - TB may have been but it wasn't on the server boards.


The Mac Pros use very specific boards that are only just now readily available. They are not comparable to anything else that Apple sells - not even the iMac which uses Desktop processors. The iMac is not what what many would consider a "pro" system. It doesn't have the cores that the Pro has.

They've been out for a few months now. June was realistically the earliest feasible date for Apple. Regarding thunderbolt, how is that intel's fault and why is it a necessity? There are better solutions in such hardware, and Ivy isn't going to be any friendlier to thunderbolt than Sandy Bridge E. None of the Xeon chips have integrated graphics on board, making routing more difficult. There isn't any displayport connection directly on the board as it's not well aligned with these offerings. People may need to get over the idea of thunderbolt as a requirement. Thunderbolt itself will change in the next couple years, so it's not like we can invoke the future proofing argument here. As for the mac pro, both faster and cheaper (not necessarily both in a single product) options have existed for years.
 
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