All iPads Where is Apple's rebuttal to Microsoft Surface?

[Night Spring]

No. As soon as I can set up a web server with Railo and a MySql database on my iPad, then we'll be talking. I want something that I can have locally so I don't always have to be connected to work.

Setting up web server on an iPad doesn't make sense as it's not always guaranteed to be connected to the internet. I wouldn't even do that on a laptop unless it always lived on a desk. But if you really need to do that, then that's a pretty niche use case.

Web server aside, I just did a search and saw a number of apps that seems to do SQL stuff on the iPad. Any of those do what you want?

 

[nixiemaiden]

Setting up web server on an iPad doesn't make sense as it's not always guaranteed to be connected to the internet. I wouldn't even do that on a laptop unless it always lived on a desk. But if you really need to do that, then that's a pretty niche use case.

Web server aside, I just did a search and saw a number of apps that seems to do SQL stuff on the iPad. Any of those do what you want?

I do a lot of web development work. I don't want to host my own sites from my iPad...it would just be nice to be able to take my iPad, hook up a keyboard to it, and do some development work and deploy to the local web server so I can view/test. One of the issues is that the language that I use for web development (Railo/ColdFusion) compiles down to Java and there is no way that would be allowed.

I found a lot of really nice text editors with built in ftp which would work really well if I was online. It would just be nice if I could feel like I was being productive outside of that.

Honestly, I don't travel that much. I have a trip coming up that will have me in airports and on planes for close to 12 hours each way. I was looking to get a refurbished iPad Air 64 GB to replace my ipad 2 to help me along that trip and the iPad 2 is just really sluggish now and apps constantly close on me (issue I don't have on iPad mini w/retina which is what I use for work). Then the surface pro 3 was announced and just looking at it, it looks like I can still get so much more stuff done with it but still enjoy the tablet form factor with it. The pen input also looked really nice since I had been struggling with my iPad mini to be good for taking notes in meetings. I'm still nowhere close to being sold. The more I look at videos with the keyboard the more I dislike the keyboard. There is no way the battery of that would even get me close to 12 hours.

However, upon reading all of the reviews I came across an HP hybrid that is coming out in September that looks pretty promising.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/04/hp-pro-x2-612-hands-on/

14 hours of battery life and only 4 pounds. I am really curious to see what the price on that will be. Looks like it will offer a great laptop experience with a mediocre tablet experience which I think is more what I am in the market for.

 

[Night Spring]

I do a lot of web development work. I don't want to host my own sites from my iPad...it would just be nice to be able to take my iPad, hook up a keyboard to it, and do some development work and deploy to the local web server so I can view/test. One of the issues is that the language that I use for web development (Railo/ColdFusion) compiles down to Java and there is no way that would be allowed.

Ah. Got it. Well, I expect technology will eventually get to the point where you get the device you want, but it might take a while. I've wanted something like the iPad ever since I got my first laptop, and I think that took about 20 years, lol.

However, upon reading all of the reviews I came across an HP hybrid that is coming out in September that looks pretty promising.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/04/hp-pro-x2-612-hands-on/

14 hours of battery life and only 4 pounds. I am really curious to see what the price on that will be. Looks like it will offer a great laptop experience with a mediocre tablet experience which I think is more what I am in the market for.

Where did you find info on the weight? I couldn't find any reference to weight. But anyway, if it's 4 pounds, that's the same weight as a MacBook Air + iPad Air, isn't it?

 

[Charliebird]

However, upon reading all of the reviews I came across an HP hybrid that is coming out in September that looks pretty promising.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/04/hp-pro-x2-612-hands-on/

14 hours of battery life and only 4 pounds. I am really curious to see what the price on that will be. Looks like it will offer a great laptop experience with a mediocre tablet experience which I think is more what I am in the market for.

Good find but I can't remember the last time HP made a device that mattered. Usually their devices are filled with way to many compromises for anyone to care.

 

[saberahul]

Apple needs a rebuttal?

 

[nixiemaiden]

The weight was listed somewhere under the specs. But they also said that they would have a smaller/lighter keyboard for travel so I don't know. I'm not really all that concerned about the weight either. My current laptop weighs 6 pounds and the weight of that plus the iPad doesn't really bother me (it is the 3 hour battery life that bothers me). I definitely wouldn't mind an iPad and a MacBook Air. But then it is just having to carry 2 devices, having to transfer stuff between them, having to keep both charged, etc. I am still at a toss up.

The HP one kind of looks like a beast where the surface pro looks like art. I played with it at best buy and had to force myself away from it. After playing with it, I think it will meet my needs just fine. I will carry around a surface pro and an iPad! (Sorry but I need something to do when the battery on the surface dies)

 

[rowspaxe]

... where the surface pro looks like art. I played with it at best buy and had to force myself away from it.

This was my impression. It really has to be seen up close to appreciate it.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

If Apple ever release Surface like device, I will buy with heart beat

You see MacBook Air + iPad will indeed give you better experiences. Apple really perfected each devices for its intented purpose. There is no question about it. However, with mobile phone comes alone, we no longer need to carry an MP3, Camera, a mobile phone with us. Everything is so compact and easy to carry? However, do iPhone provides better for each experience each individual functionalities? No. iPhone's camera is no where hear DSL. Sound quality is no where near good music player, iPhone's battery is no where near a dumb phone, however, iPhone indeed provide a better experience when you integrated ea of these thing together, even though it may not perform better than each individual product. This suboptimal experience provides us convience.

Have you ever need to carry iPhone, iPad and MacBook(Air) with you. I do and lots of time. For example, when you need type some report, you need MS office. The iOS version of office provides nearly fraction of desktop version offering. No double space, no formatting etc. So when you do need bring multiple devices at once, you will feel Surface type of devices really comes handy. I am willing tread better experience with conviences.

So if Apple ever put Surface type of devices on the market, I would buy without thinking. It will just go buy. However, there is no need for me to buy iPad and MacBook, because even iPad mini first gen is enough for the intended purpose.

 

[johnnnw]

The Surface Pro 3 does look really refined and like a good device.

I'm not convinced there is a big enough market between the tablet - actual laptop owner area.

I feel like it will be quite some time before Apple releases a high powered Mac like tablet.

 

[GalFriday]

Have you ever need to carry iPhone, iPad and MacBook(Air) with you. I do and lots of time. For example, when you need type some report, you need MS office. The iOS version of office provides nearly fraction of desktop version offering. No double space, no formatting etc. So when you do need bring multiple devices at once, you will feel Surface type of devices really comes handy. I am willing tread better experience with conviences.

I'm sorry but you are 100% WRONG. Word for iPad does do formatting, double space and everything the the desktop version does.

 

[maflynn]

I'm sorry but you are 100% WRONG. Word for iPad does do formatting, double space and everything the the desktop version does.

It doesn't do quite everything, not every feature on the desktop made it to Word for the iPad but it has most things. I forgot what but there were a few things I was trying on it, and it didn't have it. The document rendered fine, I just could make the changes I was hoping too on the iPad.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I'm sorry but you are 100% WRONG. Word for iPad does do formatting, double space and everything the the desktop version does.

I am sorry but YOU are wrong.

I use Office in Windows, iOS and now on the Surface Pro3.

Neither the iOS or Surface version offer the "complete" Office experience when compared to the full blown WIndows version. The Surface offers the closest in full features while the iOS the least.

Sorry if this offends but it is what I have found to be the truth.

 

[maflynn]

Neither the iOS or Surface version offer the "complete" Office experience when compared to the full blown WIndows version.

Are you referencing the Surface or Surface Pro, because the SP3 is a full blown computer running the desktop apps and so you are running the same version of office 2013 on the SP3 that you would have on a laptop/desktop

 

[Newtons Apple]

Are you referencing the Surface or Surface Pro, because the SP3 is a full blown computer running the desktop apps and so you are running the same version of office 2013 on the SP3 that you would have on a laptop/desktop

I consider it a light WIndows 8 version as I am not installing the full Office version on my Surface Pro 3. This would be the same "lite" version that even the NON-Pro Surface tablet are using.

I agree that I could install the full Office version on my tablet just like I have installed PhotoShop, Quickbooks and AutoCad.

 

[maflynn]

I consider it a light WIndows 8 version as I am not installing the full Office version on my Surface Pro 3. This would be the same "lite" version that even the NON-Pro Surface tablet are using.

I agree that I could install the full Office version on my tablet just like I have installed PhotoShop, Quickbooks and AutoCad.

TBH, the major reason why I'd get the SP3 is to run the full blown version of Office. It would be (for me), a true laptop replacement. I see no reason to run any hamstrung version office when the full one works so well

 

[Night Spring]

I consider it a light WIndows 8 version as I am not installing the full Office version on my Surface Pro 3. This would be the same "lite" version that even the NON-Pro Surface tablet are using.

I agree with maflynn, why would you do that? And what "lite" version is this, and where do you get it? I might actually be interested in installing it on my desktop if it comes without the subscription.

 

[Newtons Apple]

TBH, the major reason why I'd get the SP3 is to run the full blown version of Office. It would be (for me), a true laptop replacement. I see no reason to run any hamstrung version office when the full one works so well

I agree on the full blown version and have installed it on a Pro 2 but the user interface is not quite as pleasant when running full blow Office on the small screen. Even with a pen and or keyboard it is not quite as friendly on the SP3 compared to the Win 8 version. The full blown Office experience was never optimized for tablet use, the same for AutoCad, Quickbooks and PhotoShop. The icon/menu buttons are very small and hard to hit even with the pen. The touch pad on the SP3 keyboard is less than desirable.

I do the full version of these three titles as I have little choice. There is choice with Office.

 

[GalFriday]

I consider it a light WIndows 8 version as I am not installing the full Office version on my Surface Pro 3. This would be the same "lite" version that even the NON-Pro Surface tablet are using.

I agree that I could install the full Office version on my tablet just like I have installed PhotoShop, Quickbooks and AutoCad.

No, YOU are wrong because you admit you refuse to install the full version of Office. I have a Windows 8 tablet and it is a full blown computer, running the full version of Windows 8 Pro and MS Office 2013. The iOS version, at least on the iPad, is also the FULL version of MS Office 2013 via Office 365. Your argument is completely invalid because you are NOT running the full version of Office that is available.

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I agree on the full blown version and have installed it on a Pro 2 but the user interface is not quite as pleasant when running full blow Office on the small screen. Even with a pen and or keyboard it is not quite as friendly on the SP3 compared to the Win 8 version. The full blown Office experience was never optimized for tablet use, the same for AutoCad, Quickbooks and PhotoShop. The icon/menu buttons are very small and hard to hit even with the pen. The touch pad on the SP3 keyboard is less than desirable.

I do the full version of these three titles as I have little choice. There is choice with Office.

I have a Dell Latitude 10 inch Windows 8 tablet. I use a Logitech bluetooth keyboard and a wireless mouse with it when I use desktop mode. Works beautifully. My laptop died in late October and it took a month to get a new one. I used my Win 8 tablet as my main computer the whole time and it was flawless. I will add I make my living as a writer and editor so I used Office extensively. Again, you're wrong. Get a good keyboard (they are not all created equal) and a wireless mouse and you will see your experience improve.

 

[Night Spring]

No, YOU are wrong

What? There is no wrong and right here. It's a matter of preference.

 

[GalFriday]

What? There is no wrong and right here. It's a matter of preference.

Not quite. Saying MS Office is crippled/limited on the iPad and Windows 8 tablets is absolutely wrong if you are saying it because you refuse to install the full version of it.

 

[maflynn]

What? There is no wrong and right here. It's a matter of preference.

It is a matter of preference but its a disservice to say that SP3 runs a crippled version of Office when it doesn't. Its the users preference, which is fine, but it leads others to think that SP3 doesn't run the full blown version of office.

 

[Night Spring]

Not quite. Saying MS Office is crippled/limited on the iPad and Windows 8 tablets is absolutely wrong if you are saying it because you refuse to install the full version of it.

It is a matter of preference but its a disservice to say that SP3 runs a crippled version of Office when it doesn't. Its the users preference, which is fine, but it leads others to think that SP3 doesn't run the full blown version of office.

Ah. Gotcha. I gathered that Newton was stating their preference, but yeah, I can see how it came out a bit garbled so it seemed as if they were saying Win8/SP3 is crippled.

I also think Newton may have been trying to say that Win8 devices are crippled because there aren't many fully tablet-optimized apps for them. It's funny how people on the two sides of this argument are using the word "crippled" to describe opposite things. One side feels "crippled" unless they can run desktop apps on a tablet/hybrid device. The other side feels "crippled" if they are forced to run desktop apps on a tablet.

 

[Charliebird]

Ah. Gotcha. I gathered that Newton was stating their preference, but yeah, I can see how it came out a bit garbled so it seemed as if they were saying Win8/SP3 is crippled.

I also think Newton may have been trying to say that Win8 devices are crippled because there aren't many fully tablet-optimized apps for them. It's funny how people on the two sides of this argument is using the word "crippled" to describe opposite things. One side feels "crippled" unless they can run desktop apps on a tablet/hybrid device. The other side feels "crippled" if they are forced to run desktop apps on a tablet.

I've noticed a funny thing on reviews for Windows devices. If it's on a tablet the reviewer will point out Windows 8.1 is geared more towards desktop\laptops. If it's on a desktop/laptop the reviewer will point out Windows 8.1 is geared more towards tablet. So really it's a comprise nobody likes. I guess that's ok in politics but not so good in a O/S.

 

[Newtons Apple]

No, YOU are wrong because you admit you refuse to install the full version of Office. I have a Windows 8 tablet and it is a full blown computer, running the full version of Windows 8 Pro and MS Office 2013. The iOS version, at least on the iPad, is also the FULL version of MS Office 2013 via Office 365. Your argument is completely invalid because you are NOT running the full version of Office that is available.

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If you READ my other posts you would know that I DID install the full version on a Surface Pro 2.

Please do not preach to me!

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Not quite. Saying MS Office is crippled/limited on the iPad and Windows 8 tablets is absolutely wrong if you are saying it because you refuse to install the full version of it.

No..iPad version of office does display any world documents in correct format. But you can not do format on iPad version. At least not now. There is no option for double space, there is no option to adjust line space, printing options are lacking as well. It simple a limited version of desktop office. It simple does not do everything desktop version do.