No, you are wrong. I am looking at Word on my iPad right now and yes you can do double space, line space, and there are print options as well. Please stop posting falsehoods. If you don't like the app, fine, but that doesn't mean it's okay to lie about it. I've posted screen shots to prove you aren't telling the truth because I don't want people to get misled.
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No, you are wrong. I am looking at Word on my iPad right now and yes you can do double space, line space, and there are print options as well. Please stop posting falsehoods. If you don't like the app, fine, but that doesn't mean it's okay to lie about it. I've posted screen shots to prove you aren't telling the truth because I don't want people to get misled.
No... Not as compressive as Windows or Mac... No double side print, no black and white option, no select portion of world document to print, no page setup...
Okay, sure, iPad version doesn't do EVERYTHING the desktop version does. But it does enough to be useful to many people.
For instance, I don't use the iPad version of Word, but I do use Pages. With Pages, I can do quite a bit of writing on my iPad. I can write up all of a business letter during my morning commute, and when I get to the office, I transfer it to the computer, do the formatting, and print. After all, not like I can carry a printer with me on the train, anyway. So while iPad can't do everything my desktop computer can, in this case it is still letting me use my commute time productively.
Typical Apple posturing
I of course don't want a surface, but to say students, artists / engineers
wouldn't buy a ipad with stylus/screen that exhibits palm rejection & true touch sensitivity instead on old fashioned dopey ipad stylus/mega crayons has become more than a bit much in the "we don't follow" posturing department.
Jobs was wrong about the touch sensitive/palm rejecting stylus and nobody cares. Incorporate it and move on.
I of course don't want a surface, but to say students, artists / engineers
wouldn't buy a ipad with stylus/screen that exhibits palm rejection & true touch sensitivity instead on old fashioned dopey ipad stylus/mega crayons has become more than a bit much in the "we don't follow" posturing department.
Jobs was wrong about the touch sensitive/palm rejecting stylus and nobody cares. Incorporate it and move on.
So what? Transfer the document to your PC via OneDrive and do it there. Not a big deal-plus if you have a HP printer they have an app that you can use to print through.
Migration from MBP to SP3 successful so far
Hi there,
I used to own a rMBP 15 for my daily heavy duty work, some iPad Air and a Surface Pro 2 (into which I ventured a few months ago). I've decided to merge the rMBP and the SP2 needs and get a Surface Pro 3. So far, I haven't been disappointed at all. For sure, I had to make some fine tuning in order to make things work properly. I'm very picky in terms of setups, user friendliness, efficiency, work flow...
To put things in perspective, I'm a telecom manager. So, I need to work daily with tools like MS Project, Office, Outlook, WebEx... I used to carry these through BootCamp. With the SP3, I can natively work in Windows. And since Windows 8.1, things became really stable and virus free.
I was a bit concerned about migrating my photos, movies, music and so forth. I've migrated all my albums from iPhoto using the export album function. In terms of movies, I did the same. The nice thing has been installing iTunes for Windows. I had to do some fine tuning in order for the application to work properly. For instance, I had to install QuickTime on top of iTunes. Then, I had and set the bitrate and frequency the same as the Realteak device (using the "Windows device"' output).
"Lapatility" is certainly ok but not as comfortable as a MBA. "Officeability" feels pretty much the same to me. Touchpad is much smoother on the SP3 than SP2 but is still one tad less than MBA. Although, in terms of PC experience, the MBP keyboard is top notch. "Bedability" is non existent since the tablet portion tends to fall back to the cover whenever bent back. There's no hinge to prevent the fall back. But, tablet mode feels quite lean. Not as a ipad Air but quite similar to what I used to experience on my iPad 4.
So far, I'm quite impressed and I've replaced both rMBP 15 and SP2 for convenience reasons. Money is not an issue, but having to carry a few devices on travel is cumbersome. Even in domestic business or first class, a rMBP is quite annoying. Cannot have my meal and the thing on the same tray. Surface Pro 3 is my answer.
Keep the good work Microsoft!
Hi there,
I used to own a rMBP 15 for my daily heavy duty work, some iPad Air and a Surface Pro 2 (into which I ventured a few months ago). I've decided to merge the rMBP and the SP2 needs and get a Surface Pro 3. So far, I haven't been disappointed at all. For sure, I had to make some fine tuning in order to make things work properly. I'm very picky in terms of setups, user friendliness, efficiency, work flow...
To put things in perspective, I'm a telecom manager. So, I need to work daily with tools like MS Project, Office, Outlook, WebEx... I used to carry these through BootCamp. With the SP3, I can natively work in Windows. And since Windows 8.1, things became really stable and virus free.
I was a bit concerned about migrating my photos, movies, music and so forth. I've migrated all my albums from iPhoto using the export album function. In terms of movies, I did the same. The nice thing has been installing iTunes for Windows. I had to do some fine tuning in order for the application to work properly. For instance, I had to install QuickTime on top of iTunes. Then, I had and set the bitrate and frequency the same as the Realteak device (using the "Windows device"' output).
"Lapatility" is certainly ok but not as comfortable as a MBA. "Officeability" feels pretty much the same to me. Touchpad is much smoother on the SP3 than SP2 but is still one tad less than MBA. Although, in terms of PC experience, the MBP keyboard is top notch. "Bedability" is non existent since the tablet portion tends to fall back to the cover whenever bent back. There's no hinge to prevent the fall back. But, tablet mode feels quite lean. Not as a ipad Air but quite similar to what I used to experience on my iPad 4.
So far, I'm quite impressed and I've replaced both rMBP 15 and SP2 for convenience reasons. Money is not an issue, but having to carry a few devices on travel is cumbersome. Even in domestic business or first class, a rMBP is quite annoying. Cannot have my meal and the thing on the same tray. Surface Pro 3 is my answer.
Keep the good work Microsoft!
I think my point is very clear. You cannot simply do everything on iPad and you cannot have the portability like iPad with MacBook Air. That is why devices like surface makes sense. You get the portability, you get the stylus for serious work, you get all the power you need for whatever you do. When you do need to carry two devices with you, you will feel having devices like Surface makes sense.
Sure the battery won't last as long as iPad nor the weight is near as light as iPad Air, sure the screen is small compare with 15 or 17 inch laptop. And for sure you can argue Surface type device master neither laptop nor tablet. But it not needed to be it simply a middle ground for people who need portability and power of desktop OS.
Sure, I get that for some people, a device like the Surface makes sense. Like maybe people who travel a lot, or maybe people who do heavy computer-type things during their commute. But I'm not one of those people. I use the iPad to do light computing tasks on the go, and the heavy duty stuff can wait until I get back to home or the office. I don't even really need a laptop -- my MacBook is mostly acting as a desktop at work.
As I see it, the difference between Apple and Microsoft is that Apple thinks more people are like me, while Microsoft thinks more people would need/want a device like the Surface, that does everything. So far, sales numbers seem to indicate that Apple is right. The Surface Pro 3 is a significant improvement over earlier Surfaces, but it's still heavier, more expensive, and gets hotter than an iPad. And yes, you are getting more for your money, but as I said, I don't need the more. If the Surface did more than the iPad, AND it weighed the same and cost the same, sure, I'd get one just for those rare times I use the extra functionality. But as it is now, I'm giving it a pass.
Nice, I'm glad its working out for you.
I was debating the SP3 but I opted not too (at least for the time being). The touchpad, keyboard and lapability of the rMBP over the SP3 were the major reasons. With that said, a huge plus for me, is the tablet options, the docking station (when it comes out in August) all improve the end user experience.
I'll wait and see how people are using and experiencing the SP3 before I circle and decide if its something I want
No. Just no. If the iPad doesn't work for you, that's fine. That doesn't give you the right to make sweeping generalizations that it doesn't work, period, and sure doesn't give you the right to flat out lie about the functionality of certain apps like you did.
Everyone uses their devices differently. "Do everything" has very different meanings as a result. For some, the iPad can indeed do everything, for others, they still need a laptop for some tasks. That is what you need to understand.
Microsoft must have done something right because this thread which is on an Apple enthusiast website has 400+ messages. I don't I've seen an Android device quite hit this kind of nerve. I really hope Microsoft succeeds with this ambitious design because tablet designs are getting a little stagnant lately.
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Maybe it's because Microsoft is the one who made the claim that one of their products can replace two of Apple's. Not even Samsung is dumb enough to claim that.
I do to recall Microsoft made claim that one of their product can replace two of Apple's. They made claim that Surface could replace your laptop and certainly Surface is product trying to integrate two product into one. I still think it makes sense and certainly people like my boss who travels a lot between cities need something like that.
Agree. And pen input too. Sure, there are some compromises to do. Everyone requirement sheet is different. For some business guys who need to travel on a regular basis, take hand written notes, produce Office or MS Projects documents on the go and get some entertainment in that hotel room at night (movies, games), Surface Pro 3 does quite a great job here. In terms of pure "lapability" experience, any MacBook will top a Surface Pro. For most people, the extras brought by a Surface are not a priority or even a concern. You don't need the tablet experience and do not need pen input, a MacBook Air (or en a Pro) is a better value for you. Although if you need to work with Windows apps, you'll have to shed some extra cash to buy the Windows license through either Bootcamp or VMWare.
I'm glad I made the switch. I believe Apple needs to step up a bit and innovate more. If Apple provided an iPad experience with: two window support, access to local file system and a mouse pointer, then I would have stayed with them. Lack of external or any "expansion" storage have been Apple marketing gimmick for a while too.
Microsoft have upped their standards and catched up over the years. I wish Apple "upgrades" their strategy too. Since Steve is gone, Apple has been on the cruise control. Soon or later, their fan base will wake up. Hopefully, they won't be doomed like RIM (Blackberry). In 2007, RIM was at their apogee thenb they sat on their lauree.
There's a customer for every product; the question is whether there are enough customers to warrant making the product. In Microsoft's case the Surface line has had a pretty lukewarm reception, but they have the resources and money to drive ahead and see if the market every develops to warrant their device.
Sracer, I was under the impression that you own one of their Surface products. What happened since then? Please share your experience.
Microsoft has been doing the same thing that they've always done. A desktop OS in a tablet form factor is hardly innovation; it's exactly what the PC market was trying to push before the iPad. Microsoft's only innovation in this arena was to bastardize Windows into a hybrid OS across all their platforms, a move that has proven to be highly unpopular across a large segment of the PC consumer base.
Microsoft's biggest innovation in the past few years, at least as far as mobile goes, has been their Windows Phone platform, and the adoption rate for it has been pretty poor, right or wrong.
I don't see how you can say that Apple has been on cruise control. There have been a ton of changes and updates to the Apple strategy that Steve Jobs was dead set against, including the iPad Mini which was and continues to be a huge hit. iOS 7 was a big change that went against a lot of the aesthetics that Jobs was known for being in love with, and Cook has had no compunction about rocking the boat to get his team thinking outside of the box; just look at the firing of Scott Forstall. You can't tell me that was 100% about the Apple Maps "fiasco".
iOS 8, now, is doing even more to shake things up, and the continually closing gap between iOS and OSX is going to help to unify the platforms in a way that even Microsoft has been unable to accomplish. Cook changing the way that iOS treats third party apps and giving them more opportunities to interact with other apps is going to be huge, even if you can't see it yet. These are things that Jobs was not in favor of, so clearly Cook is not afraid to step out from Jobs' shadow and do things his own way. Now we've got bigger iPhones headed our way and analysts are positively giddy about Apple's future.
It may not be in the direction that you want, but Apple is driving ahead quite nicely.
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He can own a Surface and still recognize that Microsoft went after the wrong market with it. In fact, he's in an even better position to recognize the mistake that Microsoft made trying to poach iPad users.
Up until last week I did. For over 9 months I tried to get my Surface to serve as a tablet as well as my ipad 4 has been, as well as a netbook as my notebooks have been. It did a reasonable job as a netbook. It was a bit less reliable than my Asus X200MA. But it was even worse as a tablet.
Although the Surface can do things that the ipad can't, it can't do all of the things that an iPad can. It's a trade off of things but the net of it is that the Surface fell far short.
Of course this is my opinion based on my requirements and use cases.
Go watch the press conference where Microsoft announced the SP3. They clearly and directly made that claim.
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ZombiePete, you do have good arguments, I admit. . But people who need to combine productivity and entertainment in a small package. IPad is a great consumption device but is weak as a productivity one, especially for business purposes. As I'm going to refrain, Surface Pro 3 is targetting more of a niche market. More and more business users are moving away from iPad because they are frustrated of its limitations in a work environment. That said, we are still a niche and for my grandma, I recommended an ipad.. IPads are much more mainstream, but if you check stats, iPad sales are going down. You're saying that Windows haven't much evolved within 10 years. Tell me, which kind of Windows 8.1 exposure do you have? Please tell me.
ZombiePete is quite correct that Microsoft hasn't really changed their approach to tablets that they took back in the late '90's early 2000's... Except that the hardware reflects the hardware of the times.
I've had three Windows 8.1 laptops, two of them touchscreen. I have a desktop PC that runs 8.1 that I use as a file server for the house, runs my Plex server, and I use for some games. I also owned a Windows 8.1 tablet (Asus T100) for a few months; it was super cheap feeling but not a terrible device, I just hated Windows 8.1 for pure tablet use.
So I have lots of experience with Windows 8; I honestly don't hate it; for some things it works quite well and personally I think it makes some improvements from 7. However, I don't like it as a tablet OS; I hardly ever used the T100 without the keyboard, and the tablet apps were pretty weak IMO. When I want to use a tablet I want it to behave like a tablet, and I think that the iPad is the best example of what a great tablet should be. When I want a laptop my MBA is perfect for everything I want. I carry both in my back pack without any issues; why compromise with either experience when I can have the best of both worlds?
I accept that my experience isn't the same for everyone, but I think that for non business users my experience is quite appropriate.
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tablet = ipad, qed.
or not. i dont really need apps and games--i need a solid pen experience, access to x86 software and enough screen real estate to write out notes while reading technical pdf's. oh, and i need a great browser. sometimes, with flash. and i can get all these things on a surface.
i think there is enough room in the world for two tablet paradigms
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What you are describing is a PC with touch and pen input. As I said earlier, that is old news. Microsoft has been making them (or more strictly speaking, getting OEMs like Dell, HP, etc. to make them) since around the year 2000, and they have never really caught on. But if that is what you want, then yes, the Surface is the latest and greatest iteration of that genre.