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depends what mode RAID you are in i guess..

for a single drive it would take the size of the drive divided by how many MB/s it can write at.

e.g. xGB/yMB.s

RAIDs a tiny bit harder
 
e.g. xGB/yMB.s

RAIDs a tiny bit harder

Nonsense, the rate can be expressed through the following graph:

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:D
 
Looks like my wait is over.. finally the Apple store in Oz has put down some decent priced Pros and it looks like they had more than 1 coz I bought 1 and it's still available online.

For a moment I was looking at building a Hackintosh.

http://store.apple.com/au/product/FB535X/A?mco=MTMxNDMwOTI

Can't wait to get it now


Congrats on your purchase, just have a quick question though. I've already started a thread on this so apologies for butting in on this!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/876545/

Just wondering if I'm checking the same refurb site as you are as the price you describe buying your system seems like the sort of bargain I'm after. Alas, all of the refurbs I check on the Aussie refurb site seem to be particularly poor value. Whats your secret!!!

Cheers
 
Just wanted to go on the record. I'm officially out of the running. We ordered our 8-core 2.26Ghz MacPro yesterday. Couldn't wait any longer. So you guys can all thank me, because now Apple will release the new 12-core MP's much sooner than later. :)
 
Just wanted to go on the record. I'm officially out of the running. We ordered our 8-core 2.26Ghz MacPro yesterday. Couldn't wait any longer. So you guys can all thank me, because now Apple will release the new 12-core MP's much sooner than later. :)

Thnx
 
Just wanted to go on the record. I'm officially out of the running. We ordered our 8-core 2.26Ghz MacPro yesterday. Couldn't wait any longer. So you guys can all thank me, because now Apple will release the new 12-core MP's much sooner than later. :)

You are a gentleman, I thought it was going to be me who would have to make the sacrifice on behalf of everyone waiting for the 2010.

So it looks like it will be next Tuesday (finally!)
 
If it is next Tuesday then I'm safe, because we have 14-days after our MacPro is shipped to exchange if (for free) for the latest model. That's Apple's policy.

So I'm guessing it won't be this Tuesday. :)
 
I've got a feeling that it is either next Tues or late May. It will be interesting to see if the MBP's come with the MP's or if not which is first up.
 
Gave up waiting

Built a nice quad core hackintosh, vanilla OS, 100% stable
and I can upgrade CPU (Gulftown ready and supported in bios... some have even modded to 6GHz!)

I was worried about upgrades and stability, but seriously this was the easiest install ever and it gives me more flexibility than a mac pro would as far as upgrades.

Here's the parts (AU$2000 all up) if anyone is interested...

Thermaltake V9 Tower, Zalman ZM750-HP PSU
Gigabyte X58A-UD7 Mobo
Core i7 920 2.8Ghz
6GB (3x2GB) Corsair TR3X6g1600C8 RAM
PALIT nVidia 9500GT 512MB - now swapped for EVGA GTX 285 1GB
2X Seagate 1TB SATA 1X Hitachi 500GB
Pioneer Bluray Burner
D-Link DBT-120 USB Bluetooth

I would have happily paid the premium for a mac pro if I could get something similar for AU3000 and have the upgrade options, but seriously Apple has dropped the ball on Mac pro.
 
but if I built a hackintosh, wouldn't It cost almost as much as a real mac pro if I used server-grade hardware to build it?
 
I've got a feeling that it is either next Tues or late May. It will be interesting to see if the MBP's come with the MP's or if not which is first up.

What a large gap in time. For our sake, I hope it's the former. :(
 
but if I built a hackintosh, wouldn't It cost almost as much as a real mac pro if I used server-grade hardware to build it?

Hmm I would like to know this too... Not that I want to build one, I would probably go with a Mac Pro 2010. This will be my first Mac Desktop...:)
 
but if I built a hackintosh, wouldn't It cost almost as much as a real mac pro if I used server-grade hardware to build it?
It would depend on the specifics (exact parts used - CPU and board for starters, and what you might have lying around you could use, such as PSU's, case, optical drive,... that can help to reduce the cost).
 
x= Apple's lack of attention to the professional market
y= Steve Job's arrogance :D
wow. we need some quantam computers to solve that algorithm!

It would depend on the specifics (exact parts used - CPU and board for starters, and what you might have lying around you could use, such as PSU's, case, optical drive,... that can help to reduce the cost).

apple gets CPU/RAM/HDD cheaper then the consumer does dont they? could costs be higher if you built the same specc'd machine? (similar quality parts).
 
apple gets CPU/RAM/HDD cheaper then the consumer does dont they? could costs be higher if you built the same specc'd machine? (similar quality parts).
Yes, they do get parts cheaper, but they also have to pay for assembly, shipping,... But a DIY is based on user provides the labor and support at $0.

The best examples are what you can do with SP systems. Even other vendors are offering their comparable systems for less money (discount's diminish as the CPU clocks rise).

DIY will depend on the specific parts used, mainly on the CPU, board, and RAM chosen (i.e. you can get parts that have additional features, and can be overclocked). So even if you make a build at similar costs to a PC system (as an example), you may still have a more customized machine (i.e. boards with more than 4x slots, better graphics, faster RAM,...). Additional value can be added to the system as well due to Over Clocking (giving it a better cost/performance ratio).

The devil's in the details.
 
Yes, they do get parts cheaper, but they also have to pay for assembly, shipping,... But a DIY is based on user provides the labor and support at $0.

The best examples are what you can do with SP systems. Even other vendors are offering their comparable systems for less money (discount's diminish as the CPU clocks rise).
i wonder what % shipping/production/testing would add on each individual MacPro. would be interesting to see.

DIY will depend on the specific parts used, mainly on the CPU, board, and RAM chosen (i.e. you can get parts that have additional features, and can be overclocked). So even if you make a build at similar costs to a PC system (as an example), you may still have a more customized machine (i.e. boards with more than 4x slots, better graphics, faster RAM,...). Additional value can be added to the system as well due to Over Clocking (giving it a better cost/performance ratio).

The devil's in the details.
overclocking is a massive thing for lots of people. for $0 you can have 10->20% increase in power! insane stuff.

PC builds do have the extra edge over Mac builds though, so customisable. but then again that can also be a downfall stability wise.
 
What a large gap in time. For our sake, I hope it's the former. :(

There have been allot of theories as to when and why, but I think it is a simple matter of the ready state of the hardware and testing. Once the nda of intel and nvidia etc, deadlines pass this becomes even more apparent. So the hint of "by June" most likely means that it just isn't quite ready. The 30th was a ship date for some Gulftown systems and after the release date of Nvidia Fermi, so there is some chance for this Tues. What isn't real clear is whether they are going to do a big new release incl laptops and mini's or each on it's own. That could also effect the release date considerably. Nevertheless, it's getting hard to conserve the funds that I have set aside for this.
 
but if I built a hackintosh, wouldn't It cost almost as much as a real mac pro if I used server-grade hardware to build it?

No it would not, there is a premium of over $1,000 on the Mac Pros over hardware you could buy from retail suppliers to get the same functionality. Then you also get more features, better expandability and possibly performance depending on how it is configured due to limitations in Apple's current implementation.
 
i wonder what % shipping/production/testing would add on each individual MacPro. would be interesting to see.

overclocking is a massive thing for lots of people. for $0 you can have 10->20% increase in power! insane stuff.

PC builds do have the extra edge over Mac builds though, so customisable. but then again that can also be a downfall stability wise.

Amen to that. I have always built my own PCs and work in the tech field, so am fairly hands on with PCs. It takes remarkable amount of time to research which boards to use etc. and then build itself could take a day or so. With a day of the weekend shot (possibly more because one has to aggregate the components before assembling the PC). Even after doing all the research, I have had "stability" issues on one of my systems. Do not know if this was an issue with the HW I have, but VERY frustrating.

Basically with a Mac Pro, in addition to the HW cost itself, you are paying for the guys who ensure that the system is stable (not really a trivial task). If I added my (hourly salary for my day job)*(hours for (research+buying+building), to the amount of money I spend on the components, the Mac Pro is remarkably cheap!

I also tried to price the Z800 series workstations from HP and the price is only marginally lower for a similarly equipped system (8 core).

The final additional bonus (for me) would be the time I can spend with my children because I chose to not build a system for me.

I am SOOOO looking forward to the Gulftown based systems. No point in buying the current one because I know if I do not wait for the release of the new Mac Pro, then Apple will announce it the day after I buy mine :)
 
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