Who's disappointed with iOS 5?

[spinedoc77]

You see that worries me (i know its paranoia) that Apple is trying too hard to hide the computer from the user. Sure it makes it all pretty and magical but thats just it. Newer generations shouldn't be growing up thinking computers are magical, they should know at least about the filesystem structure and I even think every person should have a basic knowledge of a programming language. I feel like hiding the computer from people is making them less computer literate. A majority of my friends and family don't know even HTML or how the internet works and thats a scary thought to me. Computers shouldn't be "magic".

I'm starting to come around to Apple's way of thinking. I'd be hard pressed to find any reason to have a file system other than it being nice to see all my files together in one place. I mean there are already file systems in iOS, you want to see your picture files go to the pictures app, you want to see your documents go to pages, pdfs goodreader, etc etc. I'd ask the question why in particular do you need a central file system? If the OS runs well and doesn't need any tweaking from the user, if you can easily find whatever file you are trying to open, and if with today's announcement they are making your files ubiquitous in that they will be automatically synced with all of your devices, well with these things I'm starting to see why there isn't a need for a central file system anymore.

I've fought against the death of the file system, but I think with icloud Apple is going to convince a lot of users. I'm starting to see these things as appliances such as a TV, you don't have a central file system on a TV, but you can still access what you need whether it's a menu, or a netflix movie.

 

[Carouser]

I'd ask the question why in particular do you need a central file system?

The same reason that when TVs first came out, they were styled like radios; new media always apes old media because that is what people are comfortable and familiar with. As people get acquainted with new ways of doing things, they drop those hold-overs.

 

[spinedoc77]

The same reason that when TVs first came out, they were styled like radios; new media always apes old media because that is what people are comfortable and familiar with. As people get acquainted with new ways of doing things, they drop those hold-overs.

You know I've been thinking about this file system thing today and I've realized I've already been doing a paradigm shift and not even realizing it. The old way is to access a central file system and find the file you are looking for. The new way is to open the application that handles the particular file you are going to use and then access the file from there. They really are not that different as they seem, it's more of numerous file systems tied to apps than a central file system tied to nothing, although on a computer your files are tied to "something" that is they are tied to whatever program you have set to open them. Really iOS is just reversing that where if you want to edit a picture your first move would be to open the pictures app and not the picture itself.

I've really scoured my brain and cannot fathom a situation where I would need to access a central file system. I think some of us will miss accessing and tweaking registry files, system files, stuff like that, but if there is no need to do that then there is no need to see those files. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I went from being a hard core tinkerer with WM to just being happy that everything works out of the box with iOS. I'd still LOVE to tinker with things like my desktop, icons, and other visual stuff like that, but I suppose it becomes less and less important to me.

 

[Nishi100]

You're looking at the 10% of things that they missed out: widgets, iPad homescreen - not like giant iPod Touch and no Maps update.

But, if you look at the 90% of the things that they did right, and compare it to the things they missed out - and you STILL think it's disappointing; then you'll never be happy.

Yes. Apple didn't do everything, but they were dam well close.
Yes. Apple will not take my jailbreak away - I need widgets; but, when a jailbreak is available, I'll definitely upgrade - then all I'll need it one app from cydia - widgets, not 10 that slow my device down, and conflict with each other.

 

[s15119]

Certainly not disappointed in what was shown today. Sounds like fine improvements.

 

[BergerFan]

You know I've been thinking about this file system thing today and I've realized I've already been doing a paradigm shift and not even realizing it. The old way is to access a central file system and find the file you are looking for. The new way is to open the application that handles the particular file you are going to use and then access the file from there. They really are not that different as they seem, it's more of numerous file systems tied to apps than a central file system tied to nothing, although on a computer your files are tied to "something" that is they are tied to whatever program you have set to open them. Really iOS is just reversing that where if you want to edit a picture your first move would be to open the pictures app and not the picture itself.

I've really scoured my brain and cannot fathom a situation where I would need to access a central file system. I think some of us will miss accessing and tweaking registry files, system files, stuff like that, but if there is no need to do that then there is no need to see those files. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I went from being a hard core tinkerer with WM to just being happy that everything works out of the box with iOS. I'd still LOVE to tinker with things like my desktop, icons, and other visual stuff like that, but I suppose it becomes less and less important to me.

I agree with that, for the most part. I too, used to be a PC 'tinkerer' up to about 6-7 years ago.
I used to tweak, tweak and tweak some more, trying to eak out performance, in the vain hope that my average PC would magically transform into a gaming powerhouse, after simply updating my graphics card drivers.

As I get older, I too can't be bothered with tinkering - for games, I moved from the PC, to the PS3, for example.

I'm digressing, so I'll make my point about an iOS 'file system'.
There seems to be two types of file system, that people are wanting.
The first, is literally the device's core file system, where you have access to critical system files and folders, like a Windows PC. I don't want that.

The other, which is the one I want, is a faux file system. A sandboxed app, that serves as a local repository for downloads, uploads, saved files, that any app uses by default.
So, if I'm in Safari, and I want to upload a new avatar to MacRumors, or download a .rar file, for example, a files or image picker pops up, and I can up/download easily.
That's much more elegant than the current arrangement of an 'Open in...' button.

With all that said, I'm truly pleased with the update.

 

[eastercat]

I didn't expect an update to the appearance of the UI. Perhaps people need to figure out what change(s) they want, before expressing disappointment at the lack of change.

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

Wanted the look of it to change somehow. Tired of looking at the same old same old. Also was hoping for a better YouTube app, the current one is embarrassing compared to the YouTube on android.

Happy that the cord is finally cut though.

You're 6502a
There were literally zero rumours about this
I expected more from you

 

[singlestick]

You see that worries me (i know its paranoia) that Apple is trying too hard to hide the computer from the user. Sure it makes it all pretty and magical but thats just it. Newer generations shouldn't be growing up thinking computers are magical, they should know at least about the filesystem structure and I even think every person should have a basic knowledge of a programming language. I feel like hiding the computer from people is making them less computer literate. A majority of my friends and family don't know even HTML or how the internet works and thats a scary thought to me. Computers shouldn't be "magic".

To suggest that someone should learn about file system structure or a programming language before using a computer is like saying that everyone should study automotive engineering before they can buy a car or electrical engineering before they can buy a refrigerator. PCs, smartphones, iPads are just tools. What matters in the end is what you do with them.

 

[Meanee]

Was fairly disappointing. Felt like a maintenance release than anything.

Notifications - should've been launched original iPhone like this. Hell, my oooooold winmo phone had better notification system. This update pretty much copies android straight up.

Facelift - didn't happen. With iPad's screen real estate, so much more couldve been done.

Cutting the cord - finally. No other device was so dependent on a cord, like idevice. I am still not sure why was I supposed to connect my iPad to an Internet connected computer before I could use it.

Cloud - great idea. Again, taking cues from other manufacturers. Google music services, amazon kindles ability to wirelessly sync bookmarks, googles app downloads, etc. The free part is great.

Lack of widgets, user file system, better printing, better push email is disappointing. Feels like with iOS 4 and iOS 5, apple is playing catch-up.

 

[Carouser]

Notifications - should've been launched original iPhone like this.

Cutting the cord - finally.

In other words, there was no way for this announcement to satisfy these criteria of yours, unless they built a time machine and said 'we went back and fixed the notifications and syncing requirements for previous versions of iOS'.

 

[e34guy]

At first I was too a little disappointed how little the looks changed but imessage and a couple of the other apps made up for it. I think they want to keep the looks the same just because so many people are use to it and it's so simple to use.

 

[xraytech]

Wanted the look of it to change somehow. Tired of looking at the same old same old. Also was hoping for a better YouTube app, the current one is embarrassing compared to the YouTube on android.

Happy that the cord is finally cut though.

You haven't even tried iOS 5 yet and your complaining about how it looks.

From what I have read, I think iOS 5 will be awesome.

 

[Piggie]

Anyone any idea if Apple will keep Safari reporting it's a mobile browser to web sites, so you don't get the proper desktop version of a web site.

Some/All 3rd party browsers gave you the option of putting themselves into proper desktop mode so you got the proper web site, and not a cut down version.

Also, I do hope they will allow you to set your default browser for those who prefer to use something other than Safari.

Both these items are very minor changes, but can make a lot of difference to the user.

 

[Blorzoga]

The lack of Flash was a real deal breaker for me.

 

[gadget123]

Very let down.

It's a good update for some looking forward to Cloud and some nice features but no flash, proper camera features more for IPhone than IPad, no proper multi tasking, many asked why Twitter integration yet not Facebook?

Tabbed browsers is already out there as apps and so is instant messaging.

A real let down a chance to see off rivals but it won't. It's still limited, not revolutionary at all...enjoy the iPad as it is and come the update a very dull update won't change how I experience IPad.

Plus no new IPhone. I was looking forward today but half expected it to be small on the updates. I just got Apple products last year and I know how the people who went from IPhone 3G to 3Gs felt just small updates every year.

I now fear Android tablets will outclass the IPad in the next year.

 

[jaimeastin]

Was fairly disappointing. Felt like a maintenance release than anything.

Notifications - should've been launched original iPhone like this. Hell, my oooooold winmo phone had better notification system. This update pretty much copies android straight up.

Facelift - didn't happen. With iPad's screen real estate, so much more couldve been done.

Cutting the cord - finally. No other device was so dependent on a cord, like idevice. I am still not sure why was I supposed to connect my iPad to an Internet connected computer before I could use it.

Cloud - great idea. Again, taking cues from other manufacturers. Google music services, amazon kindles ability to wirelessly sync bookmarks, googles app downloads, etc. The free part is great.

Lack of widgets, user file system, better printing, better push email is disappointing. Feels like with iOS 4 and iOS 5, apple is playing catch-up.

Agreed...

 

[henchman]

Was fairly disappointing

Lack of widgets, user file system, better printing, better push email is disappointing. Feels like with iOS 4 and iOS 5, apple is playing catch-up.

Yep. I agree.
Same boring cluttered desktop.
No widgets that make having a big screen useful.
So 2005.

What's so exciting about deep twitter integration?
Nothing. Big f-in deal.

Give me some real productivity widgets.
Wow, no need for a computer to set up your iPad. What a novel concept.
Yawn!!!!

Until providers start to actually treat an unlimited data contract as just that, then the whole Cloud thing remains a novelty, as far as I'm concerned.
There is no incentive to use the cloud if I'm not only going to have to pay to use it, but end up getting capped every month when I go over my not really unlimited data of 5 gig.

 

[henchman]

You haven't even tried iOS 5 yet and your complaining about how it looks.

From what I have read, I think iOS 5 will be awesome.

Uum, it looks the exact same.
What's so hard to grasp about that?

I still Have to deal with 100-200 apps puked all over my desktop.
Very annoying.

I guess Jobs just can't admit that he CAN be wrong.
And that having an app drawer, the way to go.

 

[henchman]

Very let down.


I now fear Android tablets will outclass the IPad in the next year.

Well, when certain apps become available for Android, that I use, i will have no problem switching over.

I really do not like the IOS UI at all.
The lack of useful desktop is annoying.

 

[henchman]

It's cute they added a todo app, but you can't have your list on your desktop.
Just like you can't see your calendar on your desktop.
You can't simply open the cover, and see all pertinent information that you would like. Appointments, to do's, messages.

 

[iApples]

Wanted the look of it to change somehow. Tired of looking at the same old same old. Also was hoping for a better YouTube app, the current one is embarrassing compared to the YouTube on android.

Happy that the cord is finally cut though.

Sell your iPad...

 

[Masquerade]

i don't get the contacts-twitter sync part... if they use facebook instead of twiter would be a hit... but twitter?

also the user interface is getting old.. and also don't get the weather and stocks widgets... why apple, why?

 

[MathiasVH]

Apple did not listen to its' costumers wishes, software-wise, with recent major updates as Snow Leopard and iOS 4. With Lion and iOS 5 they've really listened. Even though I have to admit that I'm also kinda bored with the old iOS-look, one still have to admit that the one, that is to be found in both the 2007 and the 2011-version, has been preserved simply because it just works.

Apple has met and gone beyond my hardware dreams oh-so-very-much with the iMac 27", the MacBook Air and the iPad. And now also my software dreams.


Now the only thing that they need to do something about is the physical design of the iPhone. I got the iPhone 4 and seriously, I think they could do a lot better than this. But to sum up: The biggest thumbs up I've ever given Apple after today's keynote

 

[henchman]

But to sum up: The biggest thumbs up I've ever given Apple after today's keynote

Wow. You're easily pleased.