Whose in....no 2 GB RAM, no 6s?

[Applefan4]

I have absolutely no reason to troll or lie about my experience. The Safari tabs crash and reload constantly, and I can consistently replicate the crashes (Forbes website is one of the worst offenders). Furthermore, putting the phone into landscape mode in media rich sites, immediately results in crash/reload.

Granted, I'm a hardcore user, but that's why I got the 6+. So I can use my phone as a media device instead of lugging my 2.7kg Asus around

 

[recoil80]

^THIS. Never have I had an issue with not enough RAM. I'd genuinely be interested in WHY this is so important to some people, and I DO appreciate it is. I just don't see the reason. It's not like I do any video editing on the phone, nor Garageband creation, nor in fact, terribly much photo editing. I have never had a problem playing music, whilst simultaneously taking/making calls, cruising the web, checking my way on Maps and opening and creating email and messages. WHAT else could I be doing to be putting such a drain on the RAM that I NEED 2gb? Serious question. And again, appreciate others apparently do have valid reasons, I would just love to hear them.

I don't play games on my iPhone so I don't really need the GPU power they put in A8, but I'm glad it's there.
I usually don't need more RAM on my phone, but sometimes I get some tabs reloading on Safari or apps start from scratch because they've been purged from RAM so I'd like to have more.
And since I bought the iPad Air 2 with 2GB of RAM I noticed I can open many tabs in Safari without reloading and I can switch between multiple apps with no issues, so at least for the iPad more RAM was necessary.

You don't need 2GB but other people may feel the benefits of more RAM available. Since iPhone is pricey I want the better possible specs in it. If they added 2GB on the iPad Air 2 they ought to do the same on next iPhone. Of course developers have to do a better job handling system resources but more RAM is needed too.

 

[sunapple]

I'd like my Safari tabs to stay open longer, sure, but it's not a deal breaker. Would't want to upgrade from my iPhone 6 anyway at this time, I think it can last for at least another 3 years.

 

[RodDavies]

Thanks for replies. I see some people's reasons for wanting 2gb RAM. Hope it comes to fruition for ya's. I'll probably go with a 6+s (awful naming convention if that's what it turns out to be!) just because, well, I like having newest, and am hoping for a camera upgrade and force touch capabilities.

 

[WeatherMate]

They should be upgrading the RAM. Even if they don't I guess iPhone 6S is worth having a go at.

 

[C DM]

I am sorry to here you device is not functioning as it should compared to previous devices. I don't think this is acceptable either, but claiming Apple should add more RAM will NOT resolve this issue. Developers are largely in charge of what their app does after being frozen in the background for certain periods of time, this is what causes the issue for some people and not for others.

As a deverloper, running 2 and sometimes 3 VMware stations at once I can assure you he/she does not use more RAM than I. Future proofing is fine, but claiming you're "disappointed with Apple" is ridiculous. If you really really require that much more RAM then you should be able to afford a desktop workstation that does the job properly.






Like I said above, the interactivity in the app and how the developer has set things up plays an important role in the refreshing of the app. This problem is NOT with the RAM, not currently at least. Also there's apps with memory leaks, there's Safari where you have to take into account that javascript isn't built to be frozen in the background and that when safari is forced to do this and whatever code was running WILL be refreshed because it's asking the device to continue running code from halfway through. It doesn't work that way and so it does the only thing it knows by refreshing the page. This especially happens often with pages that are ad-rich or have a lot of javascript loaded on to it. Explaining why bobby did not experience the problem with his device.

Edit: Sure guys if you have enough apps open, at some point your RAM will be filled up. But this can be done with any amount of RAM, right now the vast majority of people is NOT experiencing issues that has anything to do with a lack of RAM. It might seem so, but it's just iOS. From where I stand currently iPhones specifically, do NOT need more RAM. This is coming from a heavy user, I test certain apps under extremely unrealistic workloads to see how they perform. iPhone does a fine job handling these tasks.

Well, as I mentioned before, with rationale like that we'd never have moved on to 1 GB from 512 MB or perhaps even 512 MB from 256 MB. But thankfully we did.

 

[EdMan]

It will be nice if it has 2GB but it really doesn't matter that much to me. I'm getting a 6s regardless because I'm getting rid of my 6 Plus and sticking with the regular 6.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I have absolutely no reason to troll or lie about my experience. The Safari tabs crash and reload constantly, and I can consistently replicate the crashes (Forbes website is one of the worst offenders). Furthermore, putting the phone into landscape mode in media rich sites, immediately results in crash/reload.

Granted, I'm a hardcore user, but that's why I got the 6+. So I can use my phone as a media device instead of lugging my 2.7kg Asus around

Did you install Swype? Swiftkey? Did you load a backup? If yes do a fresh install.

If no, get a warranty replacement, yours is broken.

My safari tabs never crash nor "reload constantly".

I just went to the Forbes site and browsed around and it was perfectly fine. I could not replicate anything.

I also put it in landscape mode and it was fine.

You talk like what you experience is normal and happens in all 6+, thats what makes you suspicious of trolling.

Lol at Asus.

 

[sunking101]

Did you install Swype? Swiftkey? Did you load a backup? If yes do a fresh install.

If no, get a warranty replacement, yours is broken.

My safari tabs never crash nor "reload constantly".

I just went to the Forbes site and browsed around and it was perfectly fine. I could not replicate anything.

I also put it in landscape mode and it was fine.

You talk like what you experience is normal and happens in all 6+, thats what makes you suspicious of trolling.

Lol at Asus.

I wish it was only browser tabs that reloaded. Coming from the iPhone 5 where I regularly had four or five tabs open, I quickly realised that this wasn't possible on the 6+. I now only ever use one tab on my dumbed-down iPhone. The problem for me is app reloading, and there is no cure. It is impossible to multitask on the 6+.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I wish it was only browser tabs that reloaded. Coming from the iPhone 5 where I regularly had four or five tabs open, I quickly realised that this wasn't possible on the 6+. I now only ever use one tab on my dumbed-down iPhone. The problem for me is app reloading, and there is no cure. It is impossible to multitask on the 6+.

Thats not true. Check the video I posted above for proof. I was able to multitask. And if you have some Apps that you want to claim don't work or reload unreasonably then mention what they are. Im sure it would be easy enough to reproduce a test showing what happens.

Also I thought I remember you said you had the 5S, now you're saying you were coming from the 5? Which one was it?

For some reason you are under the impression that none of the phones in the past ever reloaded a tab. Thats not true either.

 

[sunking101]

Thats not true. Check the video I posted above for proof. I was able to multitask. And if you have some Apps that you want to claim don't work or reload unreasonably then mention what they are. Im sure it would be easy enough to reproduce a test showing what happens.

Also I thought I remember you said you had the 5S, now you're saying you were coming from the 5? Which one was it?

For some reason you are under the impression that none of the phones in the past ever reloaded a tab. Thats not true either.

I had the iPhone 5 and have never said the 5S.
Of course you can make any phone reload, the i5 had an easily attained limit but it was ok with a few apps and a few browser tabs. Regardless of what you say and any video you might post showing you quickly flicking between tabs & apps, I cannot keep *one* app and *one* browser tab open if I spend a bit of time in them actually doing stuff (ie not briefly scrolling around and then going back to the other application.)

The 6+ is wayyyy less able to multitask than the iPhone 5. It simply cannot consistently or reliably multitask.

 

[Serelus]

Well, as I mentioned before, with rationale like that we'd never have moved on to 1 GB from 512 MB or perhaps even 512 MB from 256 MB. But thankfully we did.

How is your understanding that when I say; "None of the issues in this thread are related to a lack of RAM, therefore the iPhone doesn't need more RAM."

You get: "We would have never upgraded from 512MB to 1GB."?

RAM should be upgraded when it's due, meaning when future developed apps require more and more RAM.
Supply and demand. And that's exactly what Apple is doing. My rationale isn't at all saying what you claim it does. RAM shouldn't be upgraded just because we can, especially if the majority of people doesn't need it. (insert whatever 2-4GB RAM Android device.)

While we're on the subject who do think has more insight into whether the device needs more RAM? a complete engineering team at apple? or our silly community with the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes?

 

[C DM]

How is your understanding that when I say; "None of the issues in this thread are related to a lack of RAM, therefore the iPhone doesn't need more RAM."

You get: "We would have never upgraded from 512MB to 1GB."?

RAM should be upgraded when it's due, meaning when future developed apps require more and more RAM.
Supply and demand. And that's exactly what Apple is doing. My rationale isn't at all saying what you claim it does. RAM shouldn't be upgraded just because we can, especially if the majority of people doesn't need it. (insert whatever 2-4GB RAM Android device.)

While we're on the subject who do think has more insight into whether the device needs more RAM? a complete engineering team at apple? or our silly community with the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes?

Well, realistically things are updated for many more variety and combinations of reasons that just that, but to simplify the answer to that is that it's due at this point.

And just because an engineering team at a company might think that certain things are actually needed, doesn't meant that those things get done because of quite a few other factors that go into them and other parts and people in the company overriding those decisions--but it doesn't change the fact that those are still needed.

But thanks for insulting everyone here basically, and just right there undermining much of anything that might have been said (even if it might have had some value).

 

[terraphantm]

How is your understanding that when I say; "None of the issues in this thread are related to a lack of RAM, therefore the iPhone doesn't need more RAM."

You get: "We would have never upgraded from 512MB to 1GB."?

RAM should be upgraded when it's due, meaning when future developed apps require more and more RAM.
Supply and demand. And that's exactly what Apple is doing. My rationale isn't at all saying what you claim it does. RAM shouldn't be upgraded just because we can, especially if the majority of people doesn't need it. (insert whatever 2-4GB RAM Android device.)

While we're on the subject who do think has more insight into whether the device needs more RAM? a complete engineering team at apple? or our silly community with the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes?

My guess is Apple's engineering team would have thrown in more RAM if cost wasn't an object.

Honestly, I don't know why they don't let us just choose like on the desktops and laptops. I'd gladly pay an extra $200 for an extra $10 worth of RAM. As it stands now, I constantly want to just throw my 6 plus at a wall with how frustrating its RAM situation is.

 

[Serelus]

Well, realistically things are updated for many more variety and combinations of reasons that just that, but to simplify the answer to that is that it's due at this point.

And just because an engineering team at a company might think that certain things are actually needed, doesn't meant that those things get done because of quite a few other factors that go into them and other parts and people in the company overriding those decisions--but it doesn't change the fact that those are still needed.


But thanks for insulting everyone here basically, and just right there undermining much of anything that might have been said (even if it might have had some value).

Again not needed, problems in this thread are not related to a lack of RAM. So please for the love of god stop saying that. Even if there's an management problem within apple that prevents RAM from being added to the device, this doesn't change the fact that at this very moment in time, the iPhone for the SPECIFIC reasons mentioned in this thread, does NOT need more RAM.

Unless you can give us a solid reason why RAM should be added, there's no reason for Apple to add any RAM.

The statement about our knowledge was not meant to be interpreted as an insult, but rather to make a point.
Ineffective I realise now however, anyway when I said "our". I meant that including myself, so in no way it should be seen as an insult.

 

[sunking101]

How is your understanding that when I say; "None of the issues in this thread are related to a lack of RAM, therefore the iPhone doesn't need more RAM."

You get: "We would have never upgraded from 512MB to 1GB."?

RAM should be upgraded when it's due, meaning when future developed apps require more and more RAM.
Supply and demand. And that's exactly what Apple is doing. My rationale isn't at all saying what you claim it does. RAM shouldn't be upgraded just because we can, especially if the majority of people doesn't need it. (insert whatever 2-4GB RAM Android device.)

While we're on the subject who do think has more insight into whether the device needs more RAM? a complete engineering team at apple? or our silly community with the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes?

Obviously not Apple because the 6+ has a shocking RAM insufficiency. I don't call six months of hard usage 'the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes'. I know full well that I have tested this device far more than Apple ever did.

 

[terraphantm]

More RAM is needed because even on a fresh boot, the OS takes a pretty large chunk of the available RAM, leaving only half or less available for other apps. The remaining space fills up with just a couple tabs of Safari, and the OS starts purging things just to prevent the device from crashing (and it can't always do so quickly enough).

Apple either needs to add more RAM or implement a swap file for backgrounded processes (and the latter isn't a great idea with TLC storage)

 

[C DM]

Again not needed, problems in this thread are not related to a lack of RAM. So please for the love of god stop saying that. Even if there's an management problem within apple that prevents RAM from being added to the device, this doesn't change the fact that at this very moment in time, the iPhone for the SPECIFIC reasons mentioned in this thread, does NOT need more RAM.

Unless you can give us a solid reason why RAM should be added, there's no reason for Apple to add any RAM.

The statement about our knowledge was not meant to be interpreted as an insult, but rather to make a point.
Ineffective I realise now however, anyway when I said "our". I meant that including myself, so in no way it should be seen as an insult.

Well, if it was meant as "our" that means your opinion of it not being needed isn't exactly an informed or meaningful one either. So if you don't find the reasoning mentioned in this thread--which goes beyond just the issues that you seem to be focusing on, as mentioned in a number of replies--solid or convincing, it doesn't mean that the reasoning doesn't hold water, just not to you.

As for Apple reasoning and all that, again, there can be plenty of reasons, and completely unrelated things getting in the way. And seeing what the iPad Air 2 has inside, it'd be fair to say that even Apple has been moving ahead on this by this time.

 

[Serelus]

My guess is Apple's engineering team would have thrown in more RAM if cost wasn't an object.

Honestly, I don't know why they don't let us just choose like on the desktops and laptops. I'd gladly pay an extra $200 for an extra $10 worth of RAM. As it stands now, I constantly want to just throw my 6 plus at a wall with how frustrating its RAM situation is.

Do you realise the costs and logistics that would have to go into BTO mobile devices? and what's the "RAM situation?" have you read any of the previous posts?

 

[sunking101]

My guess is Apple's engineering team would have thrown in more RAM if cost wasn't an object.

Honestly, I don't know why they don't let us just choose like on the desktops and laptops. I'd gladly pay an extra $200 for an extra $10 worth of RAM. As it stands now, I constantly want to just throw my 6 plus at a wall with how frustrating its RAM situation is.

Same here, I would gladly pay to have more RAM. We can do that with MacBooks.
If Apple are going to make the default level of RAM woefully insufficient for heavy/power users then they should offer an upgrade for more $$$. They do it with storage space and frankly RAM is more important. I can find online solutions for limited storage space, but with too little RAM we're stuffed

 

[Serelus]

Well, if it was meant as "our" that means your opinion of it not being needed isn't exactly an informed or meaningful one either. So if you don't find the reasoning mentioned in this thread--which goes beyond just the issues mentioned in this thread, as mentioned in various replies, even though you seem to be focused on just that aspect of it all--solid or convincing, it doesn't mean that the reasoning doesn't hold water, just not to you.

As opposed to what you're saying, what I am stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact that these issues are not related to RAM, all the while you keeping mentioning these supposed factors/reasons in this thread for why it would be necessary to add RAM, could you point me to which reason/factor this is?

 

[terraphantm]

Do you realise the costs and logistics that would have to go into BTO mobile devices? and what's the "RAM situation?" have you read any of the previous posts?

I have, and I strongly disagree with your conclusion based on my own experience.

They already offer custom storage options and color options. They could do something similar for RAM.

Same here, I would gladly pay to have more RAM. We can do that with MacBooks.
If Apple are going to make the default level of RAM woefully insufficient for heavy/power users then they should offer an upgrade for more $$$. They do it with storage space and frankly RAM is more important. I can find online solutions for limited storage space, but with too little RAM we're stuffed

My theory is they don't give us the option, because the higher-tier option would show just how insufficient the base memory is in iOS.

As opposed to what you're saying, what I am stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact that these issues are not related to RAM, all the while you keeping mentioning these supposed factors/reasons in this thread for why it would be necessary to add RAM, could you point me to which reason/factor this is?

I haven't seen you post a single fact in this thread. Just your own opinion on the matter that you're claiming to be fact.

 

[C DM]

As opposed to what you're saying, what I am stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact that these issues are not related to RAM, all the while you keeping mentioning these supposed factors/reasons in this thread for why it would be necessary to add RAM, could you point me to which reason/factor this is?

At this point we seem to be running in kind of pointless circles. If everyone's opinion here is simply part of a "silly community with the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes" then how does what you say somehow is a fact and while what others present are just opinions? And furthermore, if other factors are brought up how would they not similarly fall into the category of simply being part of a "silly community with the expertise of a wet sack of potatoes" which would then also make them similarly meaningless opinions? Not much of a useful/meaningful discussion can really be had once a biased view of it all like that is presented.

 

[sunking101]

As opposed to what you're saying, what I am stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact that these issues are not related to RAM, all the while you keeping mentioning these supposed factors/reasons in this thread for why it would be necessary to add RAM, could you point me to which reason/factor this is?

32Bit devices use much less RAM than 64Bit devices. The two generations older iPhone 5 has the same 1GB of RAM as the current iPhone 6/6+. Do you think that the newer phones with their more demanding screens and operating systems should have less RAM than the iPhone 5? That's exactly what has happened, the iPhone 6 has less available RAM than the iPhone 5.

Oh, and the iPhone 6 reloads apps and browser tabs MUCH more readily than the iPhone 5. Are you saying that's just a coincidence? Or have Apple decided for us that reloading is actually a positive feature and their engineers have made sure that the latest devices reload as much as possible?

 

[Serelus]

I have, and I strongly disagree with your conclusion based on my own experience.

They already offer custom storage options and color options. They could do something similar for RAM.



My theory is they don't give us the option, because the higher-tier option would show just how insufficient the base memory is in iOS.



I haven't seen you post a single fact in this thread. Just your own opinion on the matter that you're claiming to be fact.

Rather then thinking from a user perspective, think about it from Apple's perspective. You can't compare storage to RAM, you don't want a regular user spending extra amounts of cash on things they don't need. Also it's not just Apple not offering BTO devices on RAM, no other company I know of within the popular smartphone game is doing this, and there is most likely a very solid reason for it. If this were such an issue Samsung would have already jumped on in and tell us how it's offering 2 or 3GB of ram as opposed to Apple's silly 1GB. But they don't do that because people don't know what RAM is. Our small community does, but apple's not gonna scratch that into a product just to pander to the few thousands of us that want to fully spec out our mobile devices. Your reason is silly because as stated already, there's no issue with RAM, the software is the issue.