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Yeah, IMO, the car is really the one area where cellphone makers have been slow to adapt to what the market really needs.

EG. Android developed a simplified "home screen" that can be configured to display whenever the phone detects it's attached to a car kit. Great idea that the iPhone hasn't even begun to address, to date. The Android implementation is still weak though, IMO. I know with my Sprint HTC Evo 4G phone, for example, it never auto-switches in my Jeep because apparently, it's not enough for it to physically pair up to my car stereo via bluetooth. It wants to see some sort of *physical* cable connection that lets it know a car kit is attached, or at least, the ID of a known "car kit" device its programmed to look for?

MUCH more could be done though. I know I'd like to see "out of the box" solutions that detect you're connected to a car stereo and therefore, automatically switch SMS texting to a mode where incoming texts are read to you, and voice recognition is used to compose replies. (On vehicles with a full-screen touchscreen type stereo, it'd be slick if they could even display an incoming MMS photo or video on the car's screen, too.)

Oh what the industry can do when it's not limited to the accomplishments of one corporation. (Even one as big as Apple)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BOd9oX1p4s
 
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That is the entire point of the technology and why it is groundbreaking. It is also why it requires a more powerful phone to work.

This is not about learning preapproved keywords it is about talking to your device as your assistant and it taking care of business.

That is why when people say android or wm have had this for years they are wrong.

I don't know how well it will work but apple did delay the bexg iohone 6 months to make sure it worked how they wanted it to work so I expect to be amazed

No, I don't think that is the entire point. So far all we've heard is the natural language processing aspect of it (ie, take the sentences above and turn them into logical commands). Nowhere has it been mentioned that Apple has made a breakthrough that actually allows the app to correctly recognize the spoken words in the first place. And without such a breakthrough, the whole experience will be entirely frustrating as you repeat the same sentences over and over again in hopes that it'll stop mistaking "Ben" for "Ken".

Hope I'm wrong, but I'm still very skeptical that this will be anything worthwhile. I'm sure it'll look nice at the presentation tomorrow, but I doubt anyone will be using it in a month.

"Voice control" looked cool when it was intro'd, but no one uses it today.

Um yeah we gave. Again that is the whole foundation of the technology. You will understand it better tomorrow
 
Does anyone know how this would work say if you are in your car and you tell it to send a text to so and so, what happends when they reply? Does it *speak* the reply back to you?
Because if I am in my car driving, and I still have to look at my phone to read the reply, that's not going to work for me.
 
No, I don't think that is the entire point. So far all we've heard is the natural language processing aspect of it (ie, take the sentences above and turn them into logical commands). Nowhere has it been mentioned that Apple has made a breakthrough that actually allows the app to correctly recognize the spoken words in the first place. And without such a breakthrough, the whole experience will be entirely frustrating as you repeat the same sentences over and over again in hopes that it'll stop mistaking "Ben" for "Ken".

Hope I'm wrong, but I'm still very skeptical that this will be anything worthwhile. I'm sure it'll look nice at the presentation tomorrow, but I doubt anyone will be using it in a month.

"Voice control" looked cool when it was intro'd, but no one uses it today.

call me crazy but I somehow doubt that Apple took 16 months to release a new iteration of their iPhone only to include the same crappy voice recognition that Android has.
 
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Um yeah we gave. Again that is the whole foundation of the technology. You will understand it better tomorrow

MMM jail we have. Again they at hole foundation of the technology. You veal under stated it batter tomorrow.
 
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That is the entire point of the technology and why it is groundbreaking. It is also why it requires a more powerful phone to work.

This is not about learning preapproved keywords it is about talking to your device as your assistant and it taking care of business.

That is why when people say android or wm have had this for years they are wrong.

I don't know how well it will work but apple did delay the bexg iohone 6 months to make sure it worked how they wanted it to work so I expect to be amazed

No, I don't think that is the entire point. So far all we've heard is the natural language processing aspect of it (ie, take the sentences above and turn them into logical commands). Nowhere has it been mentioned that Apple has made a breakthrough that actually allows the app to correctly recognize the spoken words in the first place. And without such a breakthrough, the whole experience will be entirely frustrating as you repeat the same sentences over and over again in hopes that it'll stop mistaking "Ben" for "Ken".

Hope I'm wrong, but I'm still very skeptical that this will be anything worthwhile. I'm sure it'll look nice at the presentation tomorrow, but I doubt anyone will be using it in a month.

"Voice control" looked cool when it was intro'd, but no one uses it today.

I would add this is s learning technology so it will be able to ask questions and it will then expand it's capabilities.

Comparing it to currently available vr in consumer devices is simply misplaced on your part.
 
I just tried the example sentence on Dragon Dictation, talking at my iPhone from 4 feet away, and it transcribed perfectly, first time, except "entin" was spelled differently, and the punctuation was missing. But a personally trained recognition app on your device will learn the uncommon words you've used previously, and know the file names in the directory that you usually send stuff from.

So the technology exists. And Dragon first became popular and useful on PCs less powerful than an iPad 2. The new iPhone is rumored to have the CPU power around that of an iPad 2, plus more RAM. Q.E.D.

I did the same thing and this is what I got:
Please send Jody and file for my wife know that I will be home late tonight also confirm lunch with Steven mind me to pick up my prescriptions on the way home".

Much better than I expected, but not good enough. Untangling this would be frustrating and may require more time than just doing it manually.

Not sure exactly how a faster CPU would improve this, but maybe it would.
 
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You dumbasses just keep that koolaid I have had this one my incredible before and after i rooted it, now it runs through google's online voice reecognition service which is 95-99% accurate through a very thick bronx accent. I never had to "train" the software and i can hit my search button and it works wonderfully, using natural language like "find Chinese food" and I immediately have a search of locations near me that are Chinese food restaurants. Just like the new notifications in ios5 apple is still stuck playing catch-up.

Yeah you don't get it. This goes way beyond "find chinese"

It is more like "order a c9 and c11 at wings with fried rice to be picked up. Text Marci I will be bringing dinner home in 45 minutes and please check for new email from Steve sanders. Also map me to wongs now."

See the difference?
 
BTW, jailbreak will enable this on the iphone 4 (just like voice commands for iphone 3g). It's bull that the iphone 4 cpu can't do this functionality, just apple's way to generate upgrade sales.

So you're intimately familiar with the updated version of the technology that Apple is using in the new iPhone, and therefore know for sure that it won't just work on the new phone?

You must be an Apple insider!
 
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I would add this is s learning technology so it will be able to ask questions and it will then expand it's capabilities.

Comparing it to currently available vr in consumer devices is simply misplaced on your part.

Right. I'm sure that I am misplaced to compare the magic dust that Apple has injected into the Siri functionality in the span of a year to anything I could possibly imagine.

Improvements in iOS have been pretty marginal lately. My money is on another "kind of neat, but not all that great" feature. Facetime comes to mind. You know, something that's neat to show your friends but no one actually uses it.
 
World-changing event? Ha. Good luck. So many people have tried and failed with AI/voice recognition and somehow I doubt Assistant will be much better. It's not the voice recognition's fault, it's the AI. How many AI systems have you worked with where you didn't throw your hands up in frustration after a few tries?

AI has been dead since it first started decades ago. Human-computer symbiosis will prevail, but until they can transfer a human brain into a computer, AI will be limited to simple word parsing.
 
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I would only use assistant while I drive. It seems slower than just doing it regularly.

Get rid of the home button so that we can say "iPhone awake" then you could get a 5 inch screen.

I do not want to talk to the phone in front of company. So rub the bottom of the phone gently to wake it up. Two ways: Voice and rub. :)

Joking aside, the ideal assistant is like an all-knowing friend who is always with you and you can ask him any question. You may need to turn around to face him so he knows he is talking to you if you simply ask a question or address him by name 'John, is there a Chipotle in Union square'. That is all there is to it. Rest is technology.

A more AI like interaction.

Is there a La Bamba in Union Square?
What the heck is La Bamba
Remember, it was mentioned in the Chronicle this morning
Oh that, yes there is one, next to Macy's.
 
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Dragon + Wolfram

I just spent the last 30 min talking into the free Dragon Dictate iphone app, with "general questions" then typing the results (even mistakes if there were some) in to Wolfram Alpha with amazing results.

Im less interested in making appointments and speaking out text messages, and more so about quickly finding the answers to all my random questions.
 
This would be very useful to juggle multiple girlfriends at the same time as well.

Me: "Call Pookie"

Phone: "Pookie Andrea, Pookie Michelle or Pookie Danielle?"
 
Nowhere has it been mentioned that Apple has made a breakthrough that actually allows the app to correctly recognize the spoken words in the first place. And without such a breakthrough, the whole experience will be entirely frustrating as you repeat the same sentences over and over again in hopes that it'll stop mistaking "Ben" for "Ken".

Agreed, but as this type of recognition becomes more and more context sensitive, accuracy will improve as well. This isn't mere dictation software where I could theoretically be dictating a list of nonsense unrelated words into a text document. If the AI isn't sure about one word, it might be able to deduce it from the surrounding words.

For example, it might be able to distinguish "Ben" from "Ken" simply by going into your emails and contact lists. Maybe you don't have any contacts named Ben -- therefore it must have been Ken. Or maybe the command was "text Ken and tell him I'll be late" -- which it determines by checking your calendar and seeing that you've got an appointment with Ken that starts approximately now.

Or, ultimately, if it can't figure it out, it could just ask you: "Did you mean to schedule that dinner with Ken Jenkins or Ben Affleck?"


"Voice control" looked cool when it was intro'd, but no one uses it today.

Agreed, I had Dragon NaturallySpeaking on my PC as early as 2001 or so, but never really used it beyond a novelty. However, doing work while driving in the car (or walking down a street) seems to be an obvious use case for a cell phone with this technology.
 
Right. I'm sure that I am misplaced to compare the magic dust that Apple has injected into the Siri functionality in the span of a year to anything I could possibly imagine.

Improvements in iOS have been pretty marginal lately. My money is on another "kind of neat, but not all that great" feature. Facetime comes to mind. You know, something that's neat to show your friends but no one actually uses it.

I don't understand why so many people claim that FaceTime is never used. I travel 3 out of every 4 weeks and I use FaceTime daily when on the road to communicate with my wife and 7 year old son. I even helped him with a science project while I was in India and he was home in Phoenix. He held his iPod Touch close to the directions so I could read them to him and then showed me his progress as he went along.

My family loves FaceTime.
 
I don't understand why so many people claim that FaceTime is never used. I travel 3 out of every 4 weeks and I use FaceTime daily when on the road to communicate with my wife and 7 year old son. I even helped him with a science project while I was in India and he was home in Phoenix. He held his iPod Touch close to the directions so I could read them to him and then showed me his progress as he went along.

My family loves FaceTime.

Yeah I know a lot of regular people who use facetime all the time to keep in touch with their wives and kids. It has been a godsend. People have iPhones and iPads just for this purpose.

This goes back to the origin of the iPhone, just because some feature or another was previously available does not matter. Apple makes it usable and accessible to the masses.
 
call me crazy but I somehow doubt that Apple took 16 months to release a new iteration of their iPhone only to include the same crappy voice recognition that Android has.

People do get turned off if their particular voice doesn't work very well. Did that happen to you?

Android/Google voice recognition works terrific for me. I use it constantly for navigation, and for looking up answers to casual questions like "Who was the actress in so-and-so show?"

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I'm looking forward to the comedy skits that are bound to appear after Apple makes interaction popular.

You: "Phone, send flowers to my girlfriend."
Phone: "Same as last time?"
You: "Yes"
Phone: "Done. Sent a dozen roses to Jennifer."
You: "Jennifer ??!! Oh no! She was my previous girlfriend !! "
 
Yeah, IMO, the car is really the one area where cellphone makers have been slow to adapt to what the market really needs.

EG. Android developed a simplified "home screen" that can be configured to display whenever the phone detects it's attached to a car kit. Great idea that the iPhone hasn't even begun to address, to date. The Android implementation is still weak though, IMO. I know with my Sprint HTC Evo 4G phone, for example, it never auto-switches in my Jeep because apparently, it's not enough for it to physically pair up to my car stereo via bluetooth. It wants to see some sort of *physical* cable connection that lets it know a car kit is attached, or at least, the ID of a known "car kit" device its programmed to look for?

MUCH more could be done though. I know I'd like to see "out of the box" solutions that detect you're connected to a car stereo and therefore, automatically switch SMS texting to a mode where incoming texts are read to you, and voice recognition is used to compose replies. (On vehicles with a full-screen touchscreen type stereo, it'd be slick if they could even display an incoming MMS photo or video on the car's screen, too.)

Have you seen BMW ConnectedDrive and Apps? It's a system you can option, and it includes an iOS app and complimenting system in the car itself that allows sharing from the phone. You can use the phone navigation, and when in your car, transfer it to the cars nav display, send notifications, stream Pandora, etc., and on the phone side access several car functions like security.

Pretty neat stuff, and the most integrated and functional implementation of car-and-smartphone I've seen. We've been cross shopping a Z4 35is and were really intrigued with this, I could definitely see getting it if we go with the BMW.

Here's the iTunes app:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bmw-connected/id406975118?mt=8

More at the BMW site:

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Uniquely/BMWConnectedDrive/Apps.aspx
 
And does what for you? What is it assisting you with? Is it buying your groceries for you? Running errands? I don't need voice additions to the Calendar, I don't even use the built in Calendar because it's not that great. So will it work with all apps, everywhere? (No, it won't). What is the "real" AI component? It appears to basically offer search from voice commands.

I'm thinking this could elminiate a large percentage of Search period. This is Apple going after Google in a very hidden way.

The power here is combining the voice input with high quality speech recognition, an AI engine to parse meaning, and web services to return quality results.

So you can say, "make reservation for 2 at a romantic upscale italian resturant near here."

The iPhone will find the best restaurants (not a dump listing of all resturants) with romantic qualities and it will make the reseveration. Again, it doesn't just present a list of search results. It gets the think done for you.

This can, to some degree, eliminate the need for Google.

Another query, "What is a good chicken reciepe for a diabetic?"

The AI will tanslate "good" to 3.5 stars or more...it will understand that diabetics have certain restrictions and it will present you with menu choices accordingly complete with a shopping list and store recommendations.

As others have said, it is (hopefully) much more than "Call Bob" or "Play Artist X" or "find Chinese food".
 
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As an Australian, I am very skeptical about assistant. Existing voice control apps (google etc) never ever work for me as I do not have an American accent. I always end up searching something completly different to what I intended. Unless they have an option to account for accents, I'm certain that assistant will have the same issues thereby making it irrelevant outside of the USA. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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