Why do they offer a family pack if snow leopard doesnt have a cd key?

[SnowLeopard2008]

First, Apple assumes the type of people that can afford their computers are honest. Their products are usually in the high end spectrum (but way cheaper than comparable PCs). This is just like the free food samples Costco passes out to it's customers. They trust that you won't pig out. Of course, there are always outlyers, people that don't believe in the trust system and violate it.

My parents taught me better than to take advantage of others, cheat and lie. If you buy the $29 upgrade and use it multiple computers, you are basically telling yourself, "I am worth as much as the extra money to buy the family pack", or in short, "I am worth $20-$30".

 

[8Limes]

When you look at it really close, the reason apple doesn't care about people illegally obtaining their os software is because they do not want to get slapped on their fingers.

Their os only runs on their machine. those people selling hackintosh computers can do so in europe so far because they have a law suit going on. i think originally apple sued and they counter sued or something like that. and now it looks like it might backfire. because apple is preventing other operating systems to work natively on their system but still wants to take part in compatibility. It is not that apple can't make their software accept linux or windows natively, they don't want too and won't until they are forced to do so.

Apple is not far from anti-trust violations and they will be sued because of itunes soon. you just can't make a single platform, where other hardware manufacturers cannot compete because of dual ownership.

Shortly said, you can not limit your software at a certain point to your products only anymore.

it is like i build a car, only i am allowed to make, and sell manipulated fuel, which only runs in my car i buy from different suppliers though.

Because i have so many gas stations selling my fuel only, it is hard due to convenience factors, to buy a different car.

 

[Andrew Henry]

First, Apple assumes the type of people that can afford their computers are honest. Their products are usually in the high end spectrum (but way cheaper than comparable PCs). This is just like the free food samples Costco passes out to it's customers. They trust that you won't pig out. Of course, there are always outlyers, people that don't believe in the trust system and violate it.

My parents taught me better than to take advantage of others, cheat and lie. If you buy the $29 upgrade and use it multiple computers, you are basically telling yourself, "I am worth as much as the extra money to buy the family pack", or in short, "I am worth $20-$30".

So essentially what you're saying is that being well off and able to afford a Mac equates "honest people" and not being able to afford a Mac equates "not honest" people ? Great.

I swear that most Mac users really do think they are better than "non-mac users" .

 

[belvdr]

When you look at it really close, the reason apple doesn't care about people illegally obtaining their os software is because they do not want to get slapped on their fingers.

Their os only runs on their machine. those people selling hackintosh computers can do so in europe so far because they have a law suit going on. i think originally apple sued and they counter sued or something like that. and now it looks like it might backfire. because apple is preventing other operating systems to work natively on their system but still wants to take part in compatibility. It is not that apple can't make their software accept linux or windows natively, they don't want too and won't until they are forced to do so.

Apple is not far from anti-trust violations and they will be sued because of itunes soon. you just can't make a single platform, where other hardware manufacturers cannot compete because of dual ownership.

Shortly said, you can not limit your software at a certain point to your products only anymore.

it is like i build a car, only i am allowed to make, and sell manipulated fuel, which only runs in my car i buy from different suppliers though.

Because i have so many gas stations selling my fuel only, it is hard due to convenience factors, to buy a different car.

But fuel is a consumable; it needs to be replenished. In that instance, you are controlling the fuel supply to your cars running over and over again, hundreds, if not thousands, of times per year. Operating systems keep working; I don't have to pay anyone to continue using it.

Also, how come Sun (Solaris), HP (HP-UX), IBM (AIX or AS/400 or OS/390) have not been sued yet? Besides, your Mac can run Windows, so where's the issue?

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

So essentially what you're saying is that being well off and able to afford a Mac equates "honest people" and not being able to afford a Mac equates "not honest" people ? Great.

Most of the time, yes. All my windows friends pirated at least 1 program. All my Mac friends bought their software. Same stuff applies to the App Store. My windows friends use cracked apps, my Mac friends buy their apps.

 

[8Limes]

Their products are usually in the high end spectrum (but way cheaper than comparable PCs).

Show me a mac i can't beat by price and specs as a pc. This apple system i have not seen yet.

Just look at their memory prices. it's like 10x times the regular price of same or even better quality sticks. SSD.
I love gaming on my mac, so many titles to choose from. Is there a game which was solely produced for apple by a third party company?
Their Blue-Ray support is awesome too, right? Where is it again? And how do i watch it. Ah, only for burning.

Every side has its advantages but the pc has more.
Why do you think is the majority still using a pc and not a mac?
Ever seen a bank using a mac? They are still its own niche.

A mac is way cheaper than a comparible pc.

All i do is have to make a i7 system and you are already far behind.

 

[dukebound85]

Most of the time, yes. All my windows friends pirated at least 1 program. All my Mac friends bought their software. Same stuff applies to the App Store. My windows friends use cracked apps, my Mac friends buy their apps.

stereotype much?

sorry thats complete bollocks to assume mac owners are more "honest" than windows

 

[belvdr]

Most of the time, yes. All my windows friends pirated at least 1 program. All my Mac friends bought their software. Same stuff applies to the App Store. My windows friends use cracked apps, my Mac friends buy their apps.

You have to be off your rocker. My parents can't afford a Mac and they are an honest couple. I'm not sure what tiny world you live in, but your statements are nowhere close to the truth.

 

[-tWv-]

I swear that most Mac users really do think they are better than "non-mac users" .

They really do, I have noticed it with a lot of mac users and people are right when they say mac users are stuck-up, because most of us are. I mean yes we all know that OSX is better than windows, but just because we use a more expensive computer with a better OS doesn't mean we are better people. I think most mac users just need to get it out of their heads that they are better than everyone else because they have a shiny 2,000$ computer sitting in front of them. Not everything is based on wealth.

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

When you look at it really close, the reason apple doesn't care about people illegally obtaining their os software is because they do not want to get slapped on their fingers.

Their os only runs on their machine. those people selling hackintosh computers can do so in europe so far because they have a law suit going on. i think originally apple sued and they counter sued or something like that. and now it looks like it might backfire. because apple is preventing other operating systems to work natively on their system but still wants to take part in compatibility. It is not that apple can't make their software accept linux or windows natively, they don't want too and won't until they are forced to do so.

Apple is not far from anti-trust violations and they will be sued because of itunes soon. you just can't make a single platform, where other hardware manufacturers cannot compete because of dual ownership.

Shortly said, you can not limit your software at a certain point to your products only anymore.

it is like i build a car, only i am allowed to make, and sell manipulated fuel, which only runs in my car i buy from different suppliers though.

Because i have so many gas stations selling my fuel only, it is hard due to convenience factors, to buy a different car.

Yes you can. My Mac had hardware from Intel, NVIDIA, Synaptics, LG, etc. Apple made Boot Camp, which allows Macs to natively boot Windows. It only provides the tools to partition off the drive and the necessary hardware drivers. If I create software, the products it works with is under MY and ONLY MY control. Besides, iTunes doesn't block you from using the music you buy off the iTunes music store on other devices, music label's DRM does that. Now, most of the music I buy from iTunes is DRM free, which means I can copy it onto other platforms.

And lastly, Apple is under NO obligation to provide syncing support for other music players. iTunes music that I purchase will work on any mp3 player, but Apple is under NO obligation to provide the syncing support.

 

[SnowLeopard2008]

You have to be off your rocker. My parents can't afford a Mac and they are an honest couple. I'm not sure what tiny world you live in, but your statements are nowhere close to the truth.

Really? Are there more Mac software pirates or Windows software pirates? Tell me that. If you say Windows, then I'm right. If you say Mac, then quote "You have to be off your rocker."

 

[dukebound85]

Really? Are there more Mac software pirates or Windows software pirates? Tell me that. If you say Windows, then I'm right. If you say Mac, then quote "You have to be off your rocker."

Of course the amount of users for each platform doesnt skew those results at all

Not to mention all the complainst about a trojan with illegally copying iwork 09 off torrents recently, or those who freely admit downloading songs and apps on these boards....dont even get me started on those who pirate iphone apps

youre right, mac users are golden people

no, your statement remains absurd

 

[belvdr]

Really? Are there more Mac software pirates or Windows software pirates? Tell me that. If you say Windows, then I'm right. If you say Mac, then quote "You have to be off your rocker."

Yes really. Mac users aren't this elite group of people who do nothing wrong, which is what you said you were stating above.

 

[8Limes]

Not in my circle

Most of the time, yes. All my windows friends pirated at least 1 program. All my Mac friends bought their software. Same stuff applies to the App Store. My windows friends use cracked apps, my Mac friends buy their apps.

I do computer service and amongst my costumers the majority who uses pirated software, are apple users. it is just more easy. they all just borrow the app from someone they know or copy it. at least for iwork, ilife and the os. old people (here in FL) are really creedy sometimes, when it gets about saving a buck. they rather give you the money for getting them back online asap. they are fine with 45$ for rebooting their router but they don't want to spend the same for the OS or software. and i can also tell you for sure as well, that apple doesn't even care when you go to them with a machine with everything (i mean everything) pirated on it either. Or if they can even find out.

Is it still pirated when you own an original copy but your install isn't?
When you have digitalized your music cd's on your computer and one cd you lent someone got lost, is your digital music now stolen? Can i lend you my digital songs like a cd to listen to?
Can i sell you my digital music i purchased or legally transfer them?
When i rip the sound out of online videos (p.e. music), is this theft as well? Who did i steal from? Youtube doesn't own them.

there is still a lot of work needed to be done. and cloud computing is the real only answer for digital content to get people to pay for everyting.

As long there is no database of ownership on digital content, no one can prosecute you for it. After all they cannot prove if you stole or bought it.

There will always be more windows pirates, as long this platform is dominating. And there is no change in sight for a long time.

 

[eXan]

Most of the time, yes. All my windows friends pirated at least 1 program. All my Mac friends bought their software. Same stuff applies to the App Store. My windows friends use cracked apps, my Mac friends buy their apps.

I'm sure your Mac-owning friends are all honest, but you can't say "most of the time" judging only by your personal experience.

 

[Andrew Henry]

Really? Are there more Mac software pirates or Windows software pirates? Tell me that. If you say Windows, then I'm right. If you say Mac, then quote "You have to be off your rocker."

And how many Windows users are there compared to Mac users? That isn't even a valid comparision.

 

[8Limes]

Yes you can. My Mac had hardware from Intel, NVIDIA, Synaptics, LG, etc. Apple made Boot Camp, which allows Macs to natively boot Windows. It only provides the tools to partition off the drive and the necessary hardware drivers. If I create software, the products it works with is under MY and ONLY MY control. Besides, iTunes doesn't block you from using the music you buy off the iTunes music store on other devices, music label's DRM does that. Now, most of the music I buy from iTunes is DRM free, which means I can copy it onto other platforms.

And lastly, Apple is under NO obligation to provide syncing support for other music players. iTunes music that I purchase will work on any mp3 player, but Apple is under NO obligation to provide the syncing support.

You still have to install OS X. Microsoft got sued and lost billions in european court proceeding and fines for not extracting IE out of their OS due to monopoly control. Apple is heading at the moment to the same direction with itunes and even iphone by limiting third party vendors to design applications for them. For the iphone i would like to mention the missing possibility to record phone conversations. Every application for this got so far denied and is only available when you jailbreak your phone. The only thing you can do is enalbe tethering option without jailbreaking it by changing carrier file. sometimes i feel like i did not buy my iphone , I just leased it.

Microsoft again. They can not legally prevent me in any way of creating a hardware or software for their operating system. they only can prevent me from giving me a certification for it which pops up during installation of such said program. and there is many like those out there. it is my responsibility to design a driver for the platform.

Because of multiple law suits apple is changing most of their songs to DMR free now, and not because they have a good heart and want you to be able to use it on more platforms. If they could it would still be the same way as before. Also the AAC format was ceated and is only used by apple for the same reason to have to use itunes.

They certainly are. otherwise they would get swamped by the court. Europe is hard on stuff like that.

Just a comparison to a crime with financial aspect, because this is what it all is about. Money!

Meinl steals about 1/2 billion euro for his own purposes through his huge company and has to set 100 million bail for being able to do his business in europe and Madoff steals + 50 billion dollar and can go back home with a 10 million bail.

Not everything runs circles about america. and they way things are here doesn't mean that they are like that everywhere.

america is definitely not the biggest customer for apple or windows. the world has almost 7 billion people and about 300 of those are living in the U.S. Maybe 320 million with the illegals, but they all pirate the software anyway when they even have a piece you can still call a computer.

 

[thiagos]

Because Apple are just about the best company on the face of the planet when it comes to user rights. Not arguable.

LOL instead of naked girls, you got Steve Jobs naked posters on your wall don't you?

 

[8Limes]

I mean yes we all know that OSX is better than windows, but just because we use a more expensive computer with a better OS doesn't mean we are better people.

You still think you are better. i use mac os x much ore than the windows platform, but windows 7 or even widows xp are great operating systems as well, when not even better. OS X still has a compaibilty problem not being able to run every software on it. Unless it is not just deisgned by apple it is availble on windows, but seldom the other way around. A lot of applications are not worth the time for so little % using a mac.

 

[tjsears]

All integrity.

Just bought a family pack, I figure for the amount of free stuff that I have downloaded for my Mac's, I should fork over $20 more. It's a karma thing.

 

[winninganthem]

First, Apple assumes the type of people that can afford their computers are honest.

I noticed a lot of people bringing up the point that Apple trusts its customers enough to not have a serial, but...

Doesn't Final Cut Pro have a serial number? Why the difference then?

 

[Sean Dempsey]

Unless you run a hackintosh (which I am sure is 0.0000001% of the total OS X userbase), THE HARDWARE IS THE CD KEY. How do people not get that?

 

[Velorium]

Remember folks.

 

[Sean Dempsey]

Actually, piracy is killing and raping without consequence. Which I am sure we can all agree is awesome, if you're the pirate.

 

[david279]

Remember folks.

Never though of it that way.