Why I can never switch from an iPhone

[Arelunde]

Android vs. iPhone ... the perpetual duel.

I've had both - started with a Droid X, went to a Droid Bionic with an iPhone 4 on 4.x in between. The Droid X was fantastic compared to my Storm 1 & 2; the Droid Bionic was a disaster, full of glitches, instant death black screens, pathetic camera, etc., and fixes were very slow to come. Promised improvements took a back seat to at least three new phones released within a couple months by the manufacturer - making my $500+ investment worthless. And then, there's the if-y security using Google-based anything.

I got the Bionic after using the iPhone 4 on 4.x. At that point, the iPh was WAYYY behind Android capabilities. But when 5.0 and the multiple updates that followed, it not only became an equal, it surged ahead.

And, I agree that apps designed for Android and iOS devices are hugely different - iPhone apps being far more developed. I've been using my iPhone (and iPad and MBP, now) for quite a while.

I don't plan to return to Android at this point. I'm looking forward to the next generation iPhone and will likely buy one. There is a feeling of quality everywhere plus the (even questionable at times) security using Apple-approved apps, hardware and software.

However, all things tech are fluid.

 

[briantaylor619]

For someone who supposedly uses his iPhone for all sorts of productive and interesting tasks in your very busy life, you sure have a lot of time to waste on internet message boards, OP

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Oh the irony

So you get an internet forum to say that someone else shouldn't be on the forum? That's really smart and well thought out

Also, who the heck are you to say what anyone else should do with their time? That's what I thought...

 

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I was clearly impressed by your well thought out, laid out and executed post. I had none of the usual "this is better than that" drivel. Objective, clear, concise and to the point. One thing that stood out, you list many apps and the great things you can do with your iphone. I drive an Audi, I too can list tons of things I like about it. It did occur to me recently, am I convincing overs to buy an Audi or am I convincing myself that buying an Audi was the right move? Blind devotion to what may be an over priced toy or a status symbol, when more practical options exist. But I digress.

I used your format to list. This is to show you, not convince you, that everything your phone does mine can do as well. Which is better is a matter of opinion. One that will have to be made by others, as clearly you and I already have our own. Hopefully, I can have you look at Android again with an objective eye.



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MORNING​

Early to bed, early to rise makes a man strong and wise. hahaha. Sorry. I can't get out of bed, dread it, but once it's time then there is nothing to it but to do it. A simple alarm or my 1year old son waking up at 5:15am EVERYDAY is enough to wake me up. There are 2 applications that I am testing right now to see which I like better, sleep bot tracker and sleep as android. From what I see both apps function like yours aside from the itunes song. Early morning is a mad dash for me, I need to focus. No music for me.



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WORK​

Work starts when walk to my car. I run 3 application rf signal tracker, open signal tracker and wigle wifi. 2 proprietary android apps as well. These applications are running in the background every time I leave the house. Basic idea is to map cell network coverage, wifi signals (unsecured/secured) and the behaviour of your UE (user equipment=phone). The technical details would drown out the point, but if you are interested PM me and we can discuss this offline.

The amount of data gathered from these 5 applications in an urban environment is staggering, files can be up to 20mb. Not much, but when considered they are KML, CSV or XML files the amount of data is over 200k lines of data. Now try to manipulate that into one cohesive file to import into google earth. Not fun. What is the point of all this? As you go up the corporate ladder, your technical skills drop and your management skills elevate. Try to explain to a business person vast amounts of technical data. haha. Blank stare. But if you can make a pretty little map that shows the area, i.e. Bogota Colombia, with the cell towers, the power of the signal coming in, where call drops occur, call setup failures and audio issues are a major problem, life is much easier.

VNC for remote access to my server locally, VPN for internet. There are a few choices on both platforms so at this point it's a matter of best tool for the job. My daily results are pushed from the phone to my repository on my server, from there I can use VNC to move the information to my macbook for further data manipulation if needed. Or just use my home network to move things around, but we are talking about the abilities of my Android phone so I threw it in for another feature.

Just got a notification on my phone. I have a reminder from my google calendar, time to go home. Syncing my calendar, contacts, documents between my phone and google is....well, "it just works". I have my calendar within which are 35 categories (I know, I'm going overboard with the organization), I have my family calendar and my work calendar all pushed to my phone. All my contacts, everything about everyone that I need or may need at my finger tips.





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LUNCH​

I go to the awesome cafeteria we have for food. Maybe today I will get some Thai. At this point it's more of a social interaction than playing with the phone. Working for the company I work for is hard to not talk about this manufacturer or that phone or that platform or the OS or did you hear about that code? It's a very good proving ground for converting iphone users to android. Already converted one, now onto the second person. Which reminds me, being an iphone user you probably have AT&T. AT&T by default does not allow tethering without making you pay a few dollars more and what about hot spots? Being an AT&T customer you can call them to have them unlock your phone. It is a 16 digit code, allowing you to use your phone on any carrier that uses SIM cards. It is the LAW. They have to unlock your phone, new users have to wait 90 days compared to existing customers get the code within 24hrs of the request. Somehow, I get the feeling that if this were the case iphone users wouldn't have to unlock/jailbrake their phones.

Food was great! I'm stuffed, time for a nice cold refreshing beverage from the free cafe followed by a nice cigarette. Ah...the simple pleasures of life.

Back at my desk I just thought of a few questions I have concerning iphone.
1. Can you make data calls on your iphone without an app? Data calls, meaning turn off the cellular, turn on your wifi and make a call?
2. Is that built into the OS?
3. How do you change the battery?
4. SD storage available?

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I'll continue with another post later to address the other categories you mentioned, time is not a big luxury that I have. See you soon.

 

[b24pgg]

So you get an internet forum to say that someone else shouldn't be on the forum?

I never said he shouldn't be on the forum. I simply expressed my skepticism at all these productive things he supposedly uses his iPhone for, and yet peculiarly he seems to still have a significant amount of time to get in e-arguments here in this thread.

(You were never the brightest crayon in the box, were you)

 

[Tones2]

This is the classic "Begging the question" logical fallacy.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

In other words, when



http://begthequestion.info/

If you decide to join the debate, the question is:

Do you believe my assertion that no other device can fill the shoes of all the apps I've described in this thread is incorrect? If so, explain how.

Sorry dear. It's self evident. I've done the exercise already for my own benefit. Whatever I say won't matter to you as it's burned your head. I'm not wasting my time on you. You obviously have a lot more of it free than I. I just check in for the fun of it.

 

[DodgeV83]

Wow, thank you very much for this post. I recently purchased an iPhone 4S and have been struggling with it for the last few days. It's missing a lot of the features that I got used to with my previous phone. I had a Samsung Galaxy II but I lost it at the park. As I had insurance on it I bought the iPhone 4S as a replacement. I'm not liking it very much. As I'm new here I really shouldn't be saying this huh.

Things I don't like;

Lack of a filemanger, my biggest complaint, I use FX-Filemanger on Android which allows me to mount my work, home server over VPN as a normal folder on my desktop
No MiniSD slot
I can't mount phone as a normal drive when connected to my Linux box, needs iTunes
The codec support seems to only include those that are compatible with iTunes, no Divx for instance, I also don't like iTunes and I don't believe in paying for free TV not when there are hundreds of streaming sites, oh they need flash another complaint
Applestore charges almost twice as much for the same app available in the Android store
The screen is very small, very small
There is no replaceable battery
It's kind of on the heavy side
iOS doesn't have customization, can't change icons ect., no desktop with widgets, kind of on the boring side
The OS seems locked down
Can't change the default browser

There is more but I think I should stop before someone shoots me. Look I like most Apple products, my Air and iMac are both great machines but I think the iPhone is going back in the morning, I decided on the Galaxy Note. The iPhone, it's not for everyone, from what I've seen so far if you are a power user you will not survive the iPhone experience, consumer product 100%.

No one here will shoot you

I hope my post helps you a bit in the transition, though you may find the iPhone and iOS isn't for you. Here are some tips:

File Manager/FTP: When I want to access files via FTP/Samba...etc, I use GoodPlayer. Though it is primarily an audio/video player, it has some filemanagement capabilities. It mounts your location and allows you to browse through folders and open files through the associated app. If I select a photo, it lets me open it in my photo apps, if I select a PDF, it opens in one of my PDF apps...etc.

The best file manager I've seen for iOS is File Explorer (free version here). It auto-detects your local shared folders on the network, connects to Dropbox, Samba, and GoogleDocs. For connecting to FTP, you can use FTPManager (free version here). There are some dedicated file managers, that like Goodplayer, combine both FTP and Samba together in one app, but I have no direct experience with those.

Then there are the cloud apps like Dropbox, which has the best app compatability right now, and SugarSync, which allows you to access your entire home filesystem remotely.

Which Linux distro are you on? It immediately mounts as a removable drive for me on Ubuntu.

Codec Support: Goodplayer solves that for me. Plays anything, and I don't have to connect to iTunes to sync it. I still convert the files to m4v in Handbrake, however, as it then takes advantage of hardware acceleration, dramatically increasing battery life.

The screen, eh, everytime I try the Android phones I think they're too big. You'll probably get used to it, the increased one-handed use might grow on you, but it's largely a personal thing. This is the sticking point for many people.

User-replacable battery: I find extra batteries to be troublesome personally. After trying both ways (on other phones), I much prefer using a charger case. When using a charger case, you never have to worry about separately charging, and carrying around, an additional battery. Back when I tried it, I found myself with 2 extra batteries constantly in my pocket, and none of them were ever fully charged. I recently got the PhoneSuit Elite battery case, which is pretty slim and more than doubles the battery life. Personally, I use it without the top piece, as it reduces the profile a bit, and allows me to easily take it off. I believe this to be a much better option than multiple external batteries.

Good luck!

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I was clearly impressed by your well thought out, laid out and executed post. I had none of the usual "this is better than that" drivel. Objective, clear, concise and to the point. One thing that stood out, you list many apps and the great things you can do with your iphone. I drive an Audi, I too can list tons of things I like about it. It did occur to me recently, am I convincing overs to buy an Audi or am I convincing myself that buying an Audi was the right move? Blind devotion to what may be an over priced toy or a status symbol, when more practical options exist. But I digress.

I used your format to list. This is to show you, not convince you, that everything your phone does mine can do as well. Which is better is a matter of opinion. One that will have to be made by others, as clearly you and I already have our own. Hopefully, I can have you look at Android again with an objective eye.



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MORNING​

Early to bed, early to rise makes a man strong and wise. hahaha. Sorry. I can't get out of bed, dread it, but once it's time then there is nothing to it but to do it. A simple alarm or my 1year old son waking up at 5:15am EVERYDAY is enough to wake me up. There are 2 applications that I am testing right now to see which I like better, sleep bot tracker and sleep as android. From what I see both apps function like yours aside from the itunes song. Early morning is a mad dash for me, I need to focus. No music for me.



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WORK​

Work starts when walk to my car. I run 3 application rf signal tracker, open signal tracker and wigle wifi. 2 proprietary android apps as well. These applications are running in the background every time I leave the house. Basic idea is to map cell network coverage, wifi signals (unsecured/secured) and the behaviour of your UE (user equipment=phone). The technical details would drown out the point, but if you are interested PM me and we can discuss this offline.

The amount of data gathered from these 5 applications in an urban environment is staggering, files can be up to 20mb. Not much, but when considered they are KML, CSV or XML files the amount of data is over 200k lines of data. Now try to manipulate that into one cohesive file to import into google earth. Not fun. What is the point of all this? As you go up the corporate ladder, your technical skills drop and your management skills elevate. Try to explain to a business person vast amounts of technical data. haha. Blank stare. But if you can make a pretty little map that shows the area, i.e. Bogota Colombia, with the cell towers, the power of the signal coming in, where call drops occur, call setup failures and audio issues are a major problem, life is much easier.

VNC for remote access to my server locally, VPN for internet. There are a few choices on both platforms so at this point it's a matter of best tool for the job. My daily results are pushed from the phone to my repository on my server, from there I can use VNC to move the information to my macbook for further data manipulation if needed. Or just use my home network to move things around, but we are talking about the abilities of my Android phone so I threw it in for another feature.

Just got a notification on my phone. I have a reminder from my google calendar, time to go home. Syncing my calendar, contacts, documents between my phone and google is....well, "it just works". I have my calendar within which are 35 categories (I know, I'm going overboard with the organization), I have my family calendar and my work calendar all pushed to my phone. All my contacts, everything about everyone that I need or may need at my finger tips.





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LUNCH​

I go to the awesome cafeteria we have for food. Maybe today I will get some Thai. At this point it's more of a social interaction than playing with the phone. Working for the company I work for is hard to not talk about this manufacturer or that phone or that platform or the OS or did you hear about that code? It's a very good proving ground for converting iphone users to android. Already converted one, now onto the second person. Which reminds me, being an iphone user you probably have AT&T. AT&T by default does not allow tethering without making you pay a few dollars more and what about hot spots? Being an AT&T customer you can call them to have them unlock your phone. It is a 16 digit code, allowing you to use your phone on any carrier that uses SIM cards. It is the LAW. They have to unlock your phone, new users have to wait 90 days compared to existing customers get the code within 24hrs of the request. Somehow, I get the feeling that if this were the case iphone users wouldn't have to unlock/jailbrake their phones.

Food was great! I'm stuffed, time for a nice cold refreshing beverage from the free cafe followed by a nice cigarette. Ah...the simple pleasures of life.

Image

Back at my desk I just thought of a few questions I have concerning iphone.
1. Can you make data calls on your iphone without an app? Data calls, meaning turn off the cellular, turn on your wifi and make a call?
2. Is that built into the OS?
3. How do you change the battery?
4. SD storage available?

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I'll continue with another post later to address the other categories you mentioned, time is not a big luxury that I have. See you soon.

Haha, I love it! Wasn't expecting this I'll take some time to explore some of the apps you listed before responding, though I'm sure they either beat out or equal their iPhone counterparts (pretty sure there aren't any iPhone counterparts for some of those).

To answer your questions:

1. Without an app? No. With an app? Yes.

2. Nope.

3. I don't change the battery, I use the PhoneSuit Elite battery case, and prefer it to dealing with an extra battery, for the reasons stated in my previous post.

4. Nope.

Keep 'em coming

 

[briantaylor619]

3. I don't change the battery, I use the PhoneSuit Elite battery case, and prefer it to dealing with an extra battery, for the reasons stated in my previous post.

Hey DodgeV I had a question since you are really into photography, does the phonesuit elite case mess with your night pictures when the flash goes off (washing them out)? I thought about getting one of these myself but worries about this.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

3. I don't change the battery, I use the PhoneSuit Elite battery case, and prefer it to dealing with an extra battery, for the reasons stated in my previous post.

That's a sweet looking battery case. All the others I've seen are too freaking big and ugly. Got to bookmark that link .... thanks.

 

[DodgeV83]

Hey DodgeV I had a question since you are really into photography, does the phonesuit elite case mess with your night pictures when the flash goes off (washing them out)? I thought about getting one of these myself but worries about this.

I just tested it, and it unfortunately does wash it out quite a bit. My Mophie Juice Pack Air washed out the pics a little bit, but this is very bad. Now that I'm taking the time to do a proper test, I'm seeing even my Marsware SportShell Convertible case washes photos out a bit with the flash, and that's about as skinny as cases get.

I've found a lot of new apps recently, and am planning an update to the main post sometime this weekend. I'll be sure to include a comparison of my cases with some flash photography samples for you.

 

[surjavarman]

I'm syncing everything mentioned above, besides web searches. If you log in to your Google account with Safari, however, it should sync that like it does with any computer.



You can do this via iCloud, or iTunes automatic wifi sync, and it won't require a third party app constantly running in the background.



Since I'm already syncing to all my computers, I tell DropBox on my PC to sync that folder, and I now have all my photos on DropBox, without a third party app constantly running in the background. If I want to sync to DropBox manually, I use an app called PhotoSync.



That's a third-party app constantly running in the background, which may not always be desirable. GPS and mobile data won't take up any battery life while not in use, but I can see the benefits of turning off Wifi and Bluetooth. A quick search of this app tells me you can do some pretty cool stuff if you possess the basic programming knowledge required to run the app.

My experience with these types of apps, is the location based functions take up too much battery to be useful, but the other capabilities can be convenient if you dedicate some time to consistently manage the app.

Download a new app? Don't forget to add it to the Wifi/data list or you won't be able to use it. Oops, I scheduled Bluetooth to be off during this time, but I want to use my Bluetooth headphones, gotta go to the app and disable that so it doesn't keep disconnecting my headphones. About to play an intensive game? Better go and turn off my tasks for the next hour so I don't have any performance issues...etc.



I'm with you on the stock ROM. If you want to customize your home screen, Android is the way to go. I recommend Android over an iPhone if this is important to you. I never, however recommend custom ROMs you find posted in message forums. Huge security risk.



What specifically is slow? If you prefer amoled and a bigger screen, then the decision is easy

I ALREADY KNOW THAT!!! I HAD AN IPHONE FOR YEARS!!!! I am just saying that android can do anything iphone does and in my opinion better and with more flexibility. One problem for example with icloud is is that once its full, it will not make any new backups and it will constantly nag you that it cant make new backups every time you charge your phone. I am not going to pay apple for more storage when I have virtually unlimited storage on DB for free. There are many more problems with icloud and itunes backup systems. Google btw automatically backups your data, wifi passwords, apps and other settings too without the need of third party apps.

And I never said that tasker is easy. You definitely have to put some effort in it. But its there if you want to make use of it and I will happily make use of it to automate my wifi/gps/mobile data etc. It all depends on your skill on how effective tasker can be. Its just one of the greatest apps on android and ios does not have it.

And the iphone 4 is just so slow. Every time I open up the camera app to take a quick snapshot, I have to wait a few sec for the app to initialize and there is no zero shutter lag. Every time I open the browser I'd have to wait a bit, every time I click on a link to youtube I have to wait some time for it to load. Its not just the camera, browser, youtube. Every action just takes longer than on my HTC 1S.

So what makes the iphone better except for the apps which I can already do on the ipad?

 

[briantaylor619]

And the iphone 4 is just so slow. Every time I open up the camera app to take a quick snapshot, I have to wait a few sec for the app to initialize and there is no zero shutter lag. Every time I open the browser I'd have to wait a bit, every time I click on a link to youtube I have to wait some time for it to load. Its not just the camera, browser, youtube. Every action just takes longer than on my HTC 1S.

So your complaining that a 2 year old single-core iPhone 4 isn't as fast as a current generation dual-core Android device?

That makes alot of sense

So what makes the iphone better except for the apps which I can already do on the ipad?

Most people don't have an iPad, for those that don't an iPhone is much better

 

[toothpaste]

Let's continue. Again, I'm addressing the categories that I am familiar with only.

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SECURITY​

This is where the power of an open system truly shines. Please google Carrier IQ, so you understand what I am talking about. Carrier IQ is embedded in the OS. The idea of it is great, but the power to abuse this greatness is greater. In a nutshell, Carrier IQ logs everything on your phone (which it is NOT supposed to do), network related and send that back to Carrier IQ's server. This information is used by the carriers to improve their networks. Ever find a dead spot in your area? Notice that with a brief period of time (depending on location), your phone has a signal and works better than before? That is because the carrier has gotten tons of information from your iphone/android/blackberry to correct the coverage problem. Slight adjustment of the antenna make it go from a dead spot to above average coverage.

This saves the carrier millions of dollars, the logistics of sending out engineers to find, test, resolve these issues is staggering. That's where carrier iq comes in.

Problem is carrier iq code is deep within the OS. Once you hit the power button on your phone, carrier iq logs everything. EVERYTHING. Make no mistake about it.

1. Do online banking with your iphone?
2. ebay?
3. amazon?
4. send text messages of a sultry nature to your woman (the one in the pics with the long legs)?
5. MMS?
6. Confidential information of any sort? Work or personal?
7. Facebook?
8. Linkedin?

Everything is keylogged. Everything shows up on their servers. I checked google to see how to "turn off" this feature. In iOS apparently it is 5 taps away. Now apparently in Android it's also a possibility to be turned off.

There are 2 types of people in the world, the ones that are curious and the ones that aren't. I had to know. I have been given a demo on an iphone and android phone by the developer of this for the past 3 days. I guess my days of sending inappropriate text messages and pictures are over. haha.

Security is an illusion, just as safety. This area of complaint you have about Android is unfounded and you have been misinformed great.



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UPDATES​

Historically Android has been at a disadvantage in updates due to carriers. Google buying Motorola and it finally being approved will change all that. Google will work with 5 manufacturers to produce Google Nexus devices which is will sell directly. Unlocked devices that will work with whichever carrier you decide to go with depending on price/coverage/blah, blah,blah.....



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NAVIGATION​

Google Maps Navigation. I have tried other apps, but returned to this. I like it. You can download the Text-to-Speech for voice commands or the old fashion way of using a keyboard. I have used this app on HTC My Touch, HTC Sensation, LG prototype phones, Samsung Infuze, Galaxy, Galaxy SII and a few Samsung prototypes. I have never been misled or gotten lost. Maybe the example of getting wrong directions was a glitch. My experience doesn't justify anything but a positive review.



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WORKING OUT​

Seems like time is the most valuable commodity. One not all of us have, or utilize to the fullest. 500 push-ups, 150 pull-ups, chin-ups (includes variations), 100 lunges and squats combined. Daily. I used apps to track what, when, how but it's too much. I gave up with apps. It's a force of habit, plus sitting at a desk all day makes me crazy. Have to move around, so I don't need to be reminded.



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GAMES​

Again, I don't have time for games. Unless playing with my son and his favorite car making car noises "beep beep" and "vroooom" counts. haha.



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Jeanine​

Android voice command, like Siri. This is an area both platforms SUCK!!!! I am european with a slight accent, if you have an ear for sound, so unless I speak real slow neither have the ability to pick up what I am saying correctly. I have tested this numerous times, last time being last week. My contacts are also mostly non American so the names are not typical like Chris or John. Voice recognition software is lacking on foreign languages at this point.

Text messages for the most part work as does when composing emails. But names fail every time.



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OTHER​

sms back & restore backs up and restores to the sd card, but I don't like XML files on the SD card and I want it in the cloud. So I use sms backup for sending everything to my Gmail account. Simple enough.

wheres my droid. I like this app. Locates my phone, wipes it remotely if I need to, black list who can text message to activate the features. Use a landline to activate. Works on all phones I previously mentioned that I test on.

whatsapp uses wifi or 3g. Much cheaper than sending text messages internationally. iphone also has this, look into it.

Studious – One of the better flashcard apps. Has a system that helps you remember the flash cards you got wrong. We have that too.

translang universal translator. Looks interesting, might have to test this out on some Indians I work with.

Remote Access – I work for a big company that values information greatly. It takes a huge effort to get video conferencing approved on a personal phone. Company provided phones are a different story. But we still have online meetings because of corporate paranoia.

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Have to go, will continue this later. I will have more questions that I like an answer for. By the way, can you be a bit more specific with your answers or comments on what I posed to you?

See you soon.

 

[briantaylor619]

Let's continue. Again, I'm addressing the categories that I am familiar with only.

SECURITY​

This is where the power of an open system truly shines. Please google Carrier IQ, so you understand what I am talking about.

You do know that Apple stopped having any Carrier IQ on their phones as of iOS 5 right?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222336/Update_How_to_turn_off_Carrier_IQ_on_your_iPhone

"We never recorded keystrokes, messages or any other personal information for diagnostic data and have no plans to ever do so," Apple said in the statement.

I'd much rather trust Apple than Samsung/HTC/Moto in this regard since they at least have the balls to tell carriers "NO" to bloatware, while the Android manufacturers fold like a deck of cards.

UPDATES​

Historically Android has been at a disadvantage in updates due to carriers. Google buying Motorola and it finally being approved will change all that. Google will work with 5 manufacturers to produce Google Nexus devices which is will sell directly. Unlocked devices that will work with whichever carrier you decide to go with depending on price/coverage/blah, blah,blah.....

Everything but the 1st sentence is pure speculation of rumors. Nothing factual.

The facts are that Android is terrible when it comes to updates due to the carriers and the manufacturers not giving a **** about the customer once they have their money.

The only time you can say "Google buying Motorola will change things" is when it actually happens but until then I won't be holding my breath.

NAVIGATION​

Google Maps Navigation. I have tried other apps, but returned to this. I like it. You can download the Text-to-Speech for voice commands or the old fashion way of using a keyboard. I have used this app on HTC My Touch, HTC Sensation, LG prototype phones, Samsung Infuze, Galaxy, Galaxy SII and a few Samsung prototypes. I have never been misled or gotten lost. Maybe the example of getting wrong directions was a glitch. My experience doesn't justify anything but a positive review.

I agree that Google Maps Navigation is a great tool

I personally prefer Waze on the iPhone due to getting alerts to real time traffic updates before your stuck in the traffic from real life users currently in it, whereas Google Maps Navigation uses software algorithms to calculate what the traffic might be.

WORKING OUT​

Seems like time is the most valuable commodity. One not all of us have, or utilize to the fullest. 500 push-ups, 150 pull-ups, chin-ups (includes variations), 100 lunges and squats combined. Daily. I used apps to track what, when, how but it's too much. I gave up with apps. It's a force of habit, plus sitting at a desk all day makes me crazy. Have to move around, so I don't need to be reminded.

GAMES​

Again, I don't have time for games. Unless playing with my son and his favorite car making car noises "beep beep" and "vroooom" counts. haha.

Why are you updating us on app categories you don't use?

Are you also going to update us how you don't use cooking apps, then how you don't use photography apps, then how you don't use medical apps, then how you don't use news apps... you get my point

Keep the debates based on what you actually use and is useful.

 

[surjavarman]

Everything but the 1st sentence is pure speculation of rumors. Nothing factual.

The facts are that Android is terrible when it comes to updates due to the carriers and the manufacturers not giving a **** about the customer once they have their money.

The only time you can say "Google buying Motorola will change things" is when it actually happens but until then I won't be holding my breath.

Does it matter if your phones doesn't get any updates when the current version of android is already ahead of the current version of ios and it takes some time for apple to catch up. Unless we are talking about a security breach which need to be patched up.

And not to mention that you have a whole community that continuously gives you updates even if your phone manufacturer betrays you.

 

[briantaylor619]

Does it matter if your phones doesn't get any updates when the current version of android is already ahead of the current version of ios and it takes some time for apple to catch up. Unless we are talking about a security breach which need to be patched up.

Your trying to justify carriers giving the finger to their customers once they have their money Not a good idea.

Also your assumption that Android is ahead of iOS is purely personal opinion to justify your purchasing biases. Doesn't make it true for anyone else besides you.

And not to mention that you have a whole community that continuously gives you updates even if your phone manufacturer betrays you.

That's a poor excuse for Android manufacturers not updating their handsets. Having to put a new OS on my phone by some guy who cooked it up in his basement is something I don't care to do.

Go tell your IT department that you took your company laptop home and replaced windows with a new cool version with some "extra features" a guy in a forum cooked up in his basement and see what looks they give you. Not smart.

 

[surjavarman]

Your trying to justify carriers giving the finger to their customers once they have their money Not a good idea.

Also your assumption that Android is ahead of iOS is purely personal opinion to justify your purchasing biases. Doesn't make it true for anyone else besides you.



That's a poor excuse for Android manufacturers not updating their handsets. Having to put a new OS on my phone by some guy who cooked it up in his basement is something I don't care to do.

Go tell your IT department that you took your company laptop home and replaced windows with a new cool version with some "extra features" a guy in a forum cooked up in his basement and see what looks they give you. Not smart.

Well I asked countless times what does ios do better than android? And people here are given countless of examples why android is more advanced and more user friendly than ios.

I dont care what that IT guy thinks about it. Its my phone and I can do whatever I want with it. I dont care even if some chimp had put this together on his commodore 64 in the middle of the jungle while jerking off. If it just makes the phone better then I really dont care about the origins of it. Sometimes I just do it for the fun of it. I can always go back to stock.

 

[mrbutters]

I'll make this simple...I can use my Android phone at LTE speeds and browse the web while on a call. Your iPhone can't, see you in Oct

/thread

 

[nefan65]

I'll make this simple...I can use my Android phone at LTE speeds and browse the web while on a call. Your iPhone can't, see you in Oct

/thread

So as long as you have LTE in your area. Again, this is a small percentage of folks.

See you in October 2020.

 

[SurferMan]

I ALREADY KNOW THAT!!! I HAD AN IPHONE FOR YEARS!!!! I am just saying that android can do anything iphone does and in my opinion better and with more flexibility. One problem for example with icloud is is that once its full, it will not make any new backups and it will constantly nag you that it cant make new backups every time you charge your phone. I am not going to pay apple for more storage when I have virtually unlimited storage on DB for free. There are many more problems with icloud and itunes backup systems. Google btw automatically backups your data, wifi passwords, apps and other settings too without the need of third party apps.

And I never said that tasker is easy. You definitely have to put some effort in it. But its there if you want to make use of it and I will happily make use of it to automate my wifi/gps/mobile data etc. It all depends on your skill on how effective tasker can be. Its just one of the greatest apps on android and ios does not have it.

And the iphone 4 is just so slow. Every time I open up the camera app to take a quick snapshot, I have to wait a few sec for the app to initialize and there is no zero shutter lag. Every time I open the browser I'd have to wait a bit, every time I click on a link to youtube I have to wait some time for it to load. Its not just the camera, browser, youtube. Every action just takes longer than on my HTC 1S.

So what makes the iphone better except for the apps which I can already do on the ipad?

In defense of the iPhone though, the 4S is a lot faster pretty much everywhere over the 4, especially the camera, found my GSII and 4S to be basically the same for speed and smoothness stock vs stock (except the 4S cam was a little quicker). My phones rooted and rom'd though now, freaking flies and has awesome batt life. I liked Dolphin HD but it's crazy how fast and nice Chrome beta is even over Dolphin and makes Safari feel so slow now which is odd as they use the same webkit right? Then again Chrome is my go to on my MBP vs Safari too.

 

[DodgeV83]

I'll make this simple...I can use my Android phone at LTE speeds and browse the web while on a call. Your iPhone can't, see you in Oct

/thread

Butters is back! Love the South Park reference btw

Here's where we left off:

Post 176:

Your list has nothing to do with this thread, as it does not address anything in my original post. If you would like to contribute to our conversation, you could start by answering the question I asked you back on page 3:

Do you believe my assertion that no other device can fill the shoes of the apps I've described above is incorrect? If so, explain how.

 

[rever3nce]

I'll make this simple...I can use my Android phone at LTE speeds and browse the web while on a call. Your iPhone can't, see you in Oct

/thread

Yeah and when you're on LTE your batter life is equal to your screen size in hours.

See you in October and when you compare 20 more android models that still suck compared to the 4s but ya'll will compare em anyways and say "Is the new GS5000 the iphone killer?!" oh nope! been saying that since 2007, check the numbers apple has to any company and then come talk.

Better yet GTFO of macrumors and go to an android forum if you hate apple so much

 

[briantaylor619]

Well I asked countless times what does iPhones do better than android?

How about:
Better battery life
Better voice commands (Siri)
Universal support (instead of fragmentation)
Better camera
Better screen (no amoled burn in and highest pixel density in the industry)
Better applications
Better resale value
Better security from malware
Better support when you need a replacement (Apple store vs mailing it to manufacturer)

Those are a few off the top of my head. I can come up with more if you like

I dont care what that IT guy thinks about it. Its my phone and I can do whatever I want with it. I dont care even if some chimp had put this together on his commodore 64 in the middle of the jungle while jerking off. If it just makes the phone better then I really dont care about the origins of it. Sometimes I just do it for the fun of it. I can always go back to stock.

Sure, you might not care about the security of your device, but others do. When you say something like "Android is better than iOS" thats a general statement that applies to everybody, and not everybody likes to flash an OS to your phone built by "some chimp who had put this together on his commodore 64 in the middle of the jungle while jerking off." (love the visual you gave )

Getting official updates from your manufacturer is important for most people, which Android fails doing in this regard once they have your money.

 

[rever3nce]

I am going to stop feeding the android troll now and continue to what the OP was stating in the beginning.

Thanks for the apps! I bought motionx last night and it worked pretty well I must say.

Im a HUGE iphoneographer (idk if I spelled that correct) and your photos are simply awesome! thanks for recommending and getting me some more good apps.

 

[lordofthereef]

Back at my desk I just thought of a few questions I have concerning iphone.
1. Can you make data calls on your iphone without an app? Data calls, meaning turn off the cellular, turn on your wifi and make a call?
2. Is that built into the OS?
3. How do you change the battery?
4. SD storage available?

1. Out of the box, no, not really. With tweaks, sort of. I guess it depends on how you define app as well (since people basically call the dialer, and other such preloaded things, apps as well). The closest I can think of is face time, though I am sure that is not what you are looking for. I do have a question though. Is it imperative that this feature be baked into the OS if an easily downloadable app is able to provide you with these functions? You seem to think so, which is perfectly fair, but I would like to hear your reasoning behind that.

2. Basically answered in point 1, I think.

3. Unfortunately you don't. At least not in the sense that you pop it out and plug in a fully charged replacement when your phone is about to run out of juice. If your battery does die (read: goes bad), however, it is a relatively easy replacement. Perhaps not for the completely technically inept, but it is doable with a minimal understanding of electronics. There are also options like the mophie juicepack that really are very good. They are essentially a case with a battery pack built in. The extra width is not unlike many of the extended batteries we see for Android phones. Admittedly, if you are just wanting to swap a "stock-sized" battery out on the iPhone you are basically SOL. I personally find the juicepack to be an acceptable option.

4. SD storage is not available. This is a pretty sore spot with me. I went with the 16GB model and wish I had gone bigger. On my android device it is nice to be able to swap cards if need be. That said, I don't find myself doing that often. Had I simply gone with the 64GB iPhone I KNOW that I wouldn't even think about the lack of removable storage. The price, currently, is about on par too. I believe a 64GB micro sd card is right around $200, which is the difference in price between the 16gb and 64gb versions of iPhone 4S. Still, it isn't removable, which may be a hindrance to some, but I suspect not most.

 

[toothpaste]

You do know that Apple stopped having any Carrier IQ on their phones as of iOS 5 right?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222336/Update_How_to_turn_off_Carrier_IQ_on_your_iPhone

"We never recorded keystrokes, messages or any other personal information for diagnostic data and have no plans to ever do so," Apple said in the statement.
I'd much rather trust Apple than Samsung/HTC/Moto in this regard since they at least have the balls to tell carriers "NO" to bloatware, while the Android manufacturers fold like a deck of cards.

You base your answer on what you have read on a site. I base my opinion on what I have seen in a lab demonstrated to me. Repeatedly. Repeatedly, so when I have to defend my position I know what I am talking about. You don't. If you want send me your iphone, i will collect all the logs.

1. tell you where you have been?
2. who you have been calling/receiving calls from?
3. sending text messages and what's in them?
4. your icloud password?
5. all the sites you have visited, including passwords?
6. anything you have done with the phone. are you sure you want to risk me exposing you and all your dirty little secrets?

How sure are you?

Everything but the 1st sentence is pure speculation of rumors. Nothing factual.


The facts are that Android is terrible when it comes to updates due to the carriers and the manufacturers not giving a **** about the customer once they have their money.

The only time you can say "Google buying Motorola will change things" is when it actually happens but until then I won't be holding my breath.

Rumors? This is in the news. There is more to the world than Apple. Read some news before you speculate that I am speculating.

telegraph story

google blog

cnn money

san francisco chronicle

bbc story

Do I need to go on?

I agree that Google Maps Navigation is a great tool

I personally prefer Waze on the iPhone due to getting alerts to real time traffic updates before your stuck in the traffic from real life users currently in it, whereas Google Maps Navigation uses software algorithms to calculate what the traffic might be.

Personal preference has no merit on on which is better.

Why are you updating us on app categories you don't use?

Are you also going to update us how you don't use cooking apps, then how you don't use photography apps, then how you don't use medical apps, then how you don't use news apps... you get my point

Keep the debates based on what you actually use and is useful.

Usually I don't respond to people that clearly want to show me how superior they are, but as the OP stated "do some research first". I am having a debate with the OP so I am addressing his points thus stating that if I don't use a particular category of apps as he does it does not mean that Android is lacking in that area. I just don't use them.

Not once during my involvement in this thread have I used an analogy about iOS like you have about Android in the below;

Android manufacturers fold like a deck of cards.

Debating is about exposing a weakness in your opponents argument, not attacking your opponent personally. That shows you have no valid point of rebuttal, your emotions have clouded your judgement and have negated any concrete points you might have had.

No need to be nasty brian....and no I don't get your point.

We agree to disagree. Leave it at that.