Why I don't like iMessage

[err404]

What if the person is on the subway for 20 minutes? instead of getting the SMS when they get out theyll get a SMS because its been longer than 5 minutes and I will be charged for an SMS? I hope not.

What if the person bought a new phone and iMessage isn't coming back online for that number? SMS is a standardized fallback that will work with any phone.
This may seem extreme, but at least during the beta, many users are downgrading back to 4.3.3 because of battery life. Without an intelligent fall back, the message could be lost.

BTW - If your SMS plan is an issue for you, you could send your iMessages to their email address instead of the phone number. If you do this, it can not escalate to SMS.

 

[shandyman]

BTW - If your SMS plan is an issue for you, you could send your iMessages to their email address instead of the phone number. If you do this, it can not escalate to SMS.

exactly, you can set it so your caller ID on iMessage to your email addess, so it wouldn't do the SMS fallback (tho i'm yet to test that, but logic dictates). also if you only message the contact on their email address, you won't get the SMS fallback either.

 

[citi]

UGH. What happened to this place? The tone in the forums are so negative and condesending now.

 

[chrono1081]

Imessage sounds like a great idea in theory but not in application.

If a person is using a Verizon iPhone to make a call and someone currently sends them a text message they get notified while on the call. Under the new iMessage system The person who is on a Verizon phone and on a call can not recieve text messages while on the phone because the system will automatically defauls any IOS to IOS texts to iMessage. During the iMessage announcement Apple discussed that any message not able to be delivered by iMessage would be automatically delivered by SMS however this is not happening. I have a problem with this and think the iMessage and SMS should be seperate. The BBM is seperate from SMS and that system has thrived.

A prime reason why non-developers should not be using the iOS 5 dev preview. If you were a dev you would have looked in the release notes and see that iMessage has bugs. Any bugs not on the list are to be reported to Apple by developers.

 

[lifeguard]

A prime reason why non-developers should not be using the iOS 5 dev preview. If you were a dev you would have looked in the release notes and see that iMessage has bugs. Any bugs not on the list are to be reported to Apple by developers.

and a prime reason you should read the rest of the post. Our engineers ARE Dev's and they have filed the bug reports. I think it is flawed in practice, design and THEORY. These messages need to be left seperate from the SMS program. That has been my view since my original post

 

[livspop]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, however data and phone work at the same time on Verizon in some cases. I use Kik Messenger for messaging, which uses data, and when I get a new Kik message and am on the phone I get notified. I also receive push Gmail messages while on the phone. So, theoretically, shouldn't an iMessage message come through while the phone is in use if Kik messages come through?

 

[citi]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, however data and phone work at the same time on Verizon in some cases. I use Kik Messenger for messaging, which uses data, and when I get a new Kik message and am on the phone I get notified. I also receive push Gmail messages while on the phone. So, theoretically, shouldn't an iMessage message come through while the phone is in use if Kik messages come through?

I don't think this is accurate Only while using 3G? I have never recieved an email on a call UNLESS I'm in a wi-fi area. That's not the way VeriPhone works. Are you sure you're not pulling from wi-fi?

 

[chrono1081]

and a prime reason you should read the rest of the post. Our engineers ARE Dev's and they have filed the bug reports. I think it is flawed in practice, design and THEORY. These messages need to be left seperate from the SMS program. That has been my view since my original post

I did read the rest of the post and I don't believe you or you would have some respect for NDA's.

Face it, you are criticizing a software that isn't complete, the rest of the forum already called you out on it.

 

[lifeguard]

I did read the rest of the post and I don't believe you or you would have some respect for NDA's.

Face it, you are criticizing a software that isn't complete, the rest of the forum already called you out on it.

I don't care if you believe me or not.

AND yes I am criticizing an incomplete software package that NEEDS to be fixed or preferable TOTALLY redesigned. How is me complaining about this any different than people discussing and complaining about any of the other items released as part of IOS 5.whatever? This forum is a place for people to come discuss apple and the issues related to equipment and software and I am doing exactly that. If you don't like me posting ignore me or leave

 

[kre62]

and a prime reason you should read the rest of the post. Our engineers ARE Dev's and they have filed the bug reports. I think it is flawed in practice, design and THEORY. These messages need to be left seperate from the SMS program. That has been my view since my original post

Theres no way they should be seperated. If they were, we might as well all use whats app or another messaging program. Apple is right to make it seamlessly integrated. Otherwise, people just wouldn't use it.

And if you're mad at not being able to recieve data while on calls, blame Verizon and their antiquated tech. Or switch carriers.

 

[lifeguard]

Theres no way they should be seperated. If they were, we might as well all use whats app or another messaging program. Apple is right to make it seamlessly integrated. Otherwise, people just wouldn't use it.

And if you're mad at not being able to recieve data while on calls, blame Verizon and their antiquated tech. Or switch carriers.

BBM is seperate and the only reason iMessage has come to be is from all the request for something similar from Apple. You didn't see people run from BBM to an app. Your argument doesnt hold water. Your comment about Verizon and Data doesn't hold water either. iMessage is basically highjacking a text message and delaying a text message

 

[nateo200]

Maybe the Beta should be restricted to people who actually no something about software design, cellular networking, etc. I'm sorry to be rude but I'm not even a networking engineer and can think of easy scenario's/way's to fix this. *Sigh*....instead of complaining why don't you storm up ideas on how to improve it? I mean that's sort of the point of a beta...

 

[dellAbait]

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Not a fan of the "5 minute" thing. Seriously, is that a joke? Love
My iphone but Apple has a strange complex...

 

[kleinias]

I have filed it with Apple

I can say I don't like whatever the hell I want where ever the hell I want

and I don't want your sympathy I thought we could discuss it and see if others were having a problem.

This is just a gentle suggestion, at a certain point it may be helpful just to step away from the forum or computer etc and collect your thoughts before continuing on. Where ever the fault lies, there really isn't a reason why a random discussion about beta software involving a new feature should turn into this.

 

[lifeguard]

This is just a gentle suggestion, at a certain point it may be helpful just to step away from the forum or computer etc and collect your thoughts before continuing on. Where ever the fault lies, there really isn't a reason why a random discussion about beta software involving a new feature should turn into this.

LOL but its fun and if you remove some of the wise asses out there a few people have actually posted interesting comments

 

[shandyman]

LOL but its fun and if you remove some of the wise asses out there a few people have actually posted interesting comments

Exactly, if we disregard your nonsensical posts that ignore reason, logic and basic common sense then this is a useful thread

 

[AppleFanatic10]

I thought an iPhone would check to see if the receiver of said message has iOS 5 installed. Thus if a Verizon users is on a call won't the message just wait to be sent until they're off the phone? How do texts work now with Verizon? No texts while calling?

You can call and text at the same time with a Verizon iPhone.

 

[diamond.g]

I meant, it tries to send as an iMessage. The other person doesn't have data available for some reason so after 5 minutes instead of sending automatically as an SMS it will ask you if you want to send as an SMS instead. The reason I want that option is because if the other person is traveling and it just sends automatically as an SMS after 5 min it gets expensive for you.

Is it supposed to send as SMS automatically? It seems to only ask for permission to send as SMS.

it asks you after 5 minutes if you want to send as an sms instead. 5 minutes after sending and 5 minutes of no delivery receipt are 1 and the same are they not?

I suppose so.

 

[JForestZ34]

and I find that solution ignorant. Solve the problem, don't ignore it. The solution is easy and reports have been made to Apple with how we think it should be resolved

It's ONLY A BETA!!!!!!!! What part of that can't you understand..... IT WILL HAVE PROBLEMS.... Let apple know not macrumors and they will correct it...



James

 

[JForestZ34]

I can say I don't like whatever the hell I want where ever the hell I want

Yeah try that in front of a judge.. See how far that gets you...


James

 

[wordoflife]

It's ONLY A BETA!!!!!!!! What part of that can't you understand..... IT WILL HAVE PROBLEMS.... Let apple know not macrumors and they will correct it...



James

It's not even a problem. That's just the way it's implemented.
Verizon cannot handle voice and data at the same time. The only way it will work is if the iPhone has LTE or if the iPhone can simultaneously connect to Verizon's 1xrtt -and- EVDO [3G data] network on call. I don't believe this has been implemented into any of Verizon's 3G phones so I doubt it will happen. LTE doesn't seem like it's in the near future either.

What Apple can do, is when try someone sends a message, the phone can request a receipt and if it doesn't hear back from the other party, then it can resend it as a text message.

With that being said, there's nothing wrong with iMessages as it is. It's just a limitation of CDMA that you'll have to live with. Majority of iPhone users use a GSM iPhone anyways and won't encounter such a problem so I'm not sure if they're going bother changing anything else with iMessages.

 

[lifeguard]

It's not even a problem. That's just the way it's implemented.
Verizon cannot handle voice and data at the same time. The only way it will work is if the iPhone has LTE or if the iPhone can simultaneously connect to Verizon's 1xrtt -and- EVDO [3G data] network on call. I don't believe this has been implemented into any of Verizon's 3G phones so I doubt it will happen. LTE doesn't seem like it's in the near future either.

What Apple can do, is when try someone sends a message, the phone can request a receipt and if it doesn't hear back from the other party, then it can resend it as a text message.

With that being said, there's nothing wrong with iMessages as it is. It's just a limitation of CDMA that you'll have to live with. Majority of iPhone users use a GSM iPhone anyways and won't encounter such a problem so I'm not sure if they're going bother changing anything else with iMessages.

I definatly understand the limitations of the Verizon system, I just think that the 5 minute delay or just the ability to choose how its sent should be reconsidered in the final version. Like some have said waiting 5 minutes and it automatically sending as a SMS isn't a great answer. The code to give the user more control should be written and implimented.

 

[wordoflife]

I definatly understand the limitations of the Verizon system, I just think that the 5 minute delay or just the ability to choose how its sent should be reconsidered in the final version. Like some have said waiting 5 minutes and it automatically sending as a SMS isn't a great answer. The code to give the user more control should be written and implimented.

I personally don't see how this is a big issue. I'm not sure what you are suggesting they do, especially considering there's plenty of times that the device gets temporarily disconnected from the internet. As others have advised, for your situation you probably want to disable iMessages unless Apple finds a way around this (and I'm not sure what you want Apple to do about it).

I guess Apple could try to detect if your phone has iMessages when the other party sends you a message but that would take longer. As of right now, once the system detects that you are running iOS 5, they are automatically sent as an iMessage by priority.

 

[lifeguard]

I personally don't see how this is a big issue. I'm not sure what you are suggesting they do, especially considering there's plenty of times that the device gets temporarily disconnected from the internet. As others have advised, for your situation you probably want to disable iMessages unless Apple finds a way around this (and I'm not sure what you want Apple to do about it).

I guess Apple could try to detect if your phone has iMessages when the other party sends you a message but that would take longer. As of right now, once the system detects that you are running iOS 5, they are automatically sent as an iMessage by priority.

I think the system should check EVERY time you are about to send an imessage. This is no different than any of the Chat Apps that are out there and thats exactly what the iMessage App is. Yahoo Im checks everytime whether the contact you are messaging is online and their servers automatically redirect it to a SMS message. (IF they choose it to). This is what Apple should consider

I don't plan using the iMessage as I stick by my earlier statements. It needs to be reworked

 

[wordoflife]

I think the system should check EVERY time you are about to send an imessage. This is no different than any of the Chat Apps that are out there and thats exactly what the iMessage App is. Yahoo Im checks everytime whether the contact you are messaging is online and their servers automatically redirect it to a SMS message. (IF they choose it to). This is what Apple should consider

I don't plan using the iMessage as I stick by my earlier statements. It needs to be reworked

Oh I see. Not bad actually. I wonder how much data that would use for those on a capped plan.

Well for right now, I assume Apple just would rather keep it on their server rather than keep on checking since the iPad and iPod can't do SMS anyways.
Well hopefully Apple will realize this and have a solution come September.