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Why I don't like iMessage

lifeguard said:
Test it on verizon phone while on a call. Don't try to replicate it on an AT&T phone.... test it the way we did
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you obviously did not notice my location. I'm not on AT&T..... :p plus if data is turned off on a GSM iPhone, logically would be the same as a CDMA whilst being on a call. no data connection means it should react how it did for me. if it doesn't, then its a bug and report it.
 
pintnight said:
Blame Verizon for not having the technology to talk and receive/send data at the same time. Apple can only do so much with the limitation of Verizon's technology.
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I am not sure blaming Verizon is the answer. We had HUGE issues with AT&T dropping calls repeatedly. I was on the phone with 911 after an auto accident and had the call dropped 4 times. This is a software issue on Apples side and they need to make adjustments for all the networks they are on.
 
andythursby said:
yes, but it's still in BETA! so they can tweak it. at the mo it's 5 mins and it asks if you wanna send as an SMS instead. they might reduce this or give you the option to change how long it waits.

i find it daft that there's a phone network that doesn't do data and voice connections at same time tho, that's not Apple's fault or problem.
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But the network can do both at the same time. Apple just chose not to...
 
andythursby said:
you obviously did not notice my location. I'm not on AT&T..... :p
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I apologize, you are correct I did not see that you were in the UK. I believe the system you are on is closer to the AT&T version than the Verizon version and therfor the messages are handled differently
 
AndrewR23 said:
Now you lost respect of half this forum using a 15 year old term "fanboy"
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He lost the respect of the other half earlier this week with his first post on the subject. I can't see most of this thread because it's all on ignore since the guy started annoying me with PMs.

What part of "turn it off" is so difficult to understand?
 
lifeguard said:
Nope our Techs always load the beta versions to make sure our apps work on the devices and that there are no issues with them interacting with our machines. And don't tell me where to complain. This is bringing an issue to the masses
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Why bring a BETA issue to the masses? The masses can't to anything about it. Apple can. If this were an issue after public release in the fall, I would understand the outrage. But at this point it's unfounded.

lifeguard said:
I don't need or want respect from you. I am pointing out an issue and instead of discussing it you are telling me to shut up an sit down. This is an issue that has been reported and I see as a serious glitch. I can turn it off on our phones but what about pwople who don't realize there was na issue unless they read this forum.
Why don't you just go back to whatever you were doing and let the adults talk ok ?
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This is an adult taking BTW..
People should have problem right now, because it's a BETA. It's not for general use. It's for testing devices and reporting bugs to Apple. Did you do that? Good. Now if you changed the tone in your posts, you'd get more people sympathizing with you. Truth is, at the moment, this is NOT an issue.
 
diamond.g said:
But the network can do both at the same time. Apple just chose not to...
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Verizon 3G can do both data and call at the same time? I don't think so... As far as I know, there are no phones on Verizon 3G that can do that currently. 4G phones, yes. So how is this Apple's doing?
 
VSMacOne said:
Verizon 3G can do both data and call at the same time? I don't think so... As far as I know, there are no phones on Verizon 3G that can do that currently. 4G phones, yes. So how is this Apple's doing?
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Verizon CAN NOT do data and voice at the same time, but they can handle Voice and a TEXT message at teh same time as long as you are on 3g
 
VSMacOne said:
Verizon 3G can do both data and call at the same time? I don't think so... As far as I know, there are no phones on Verizon 3G that can do that currently. 4G phones, yes. So how is this Apple's doing?
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Yes and no. The only phone that can do voice/data on Verizon at the moment is the 4G Thunderbolt. However, 3G-only phones can do it too. I believe it comes down to using a certain chip, which the CDMA iPhone 4 does not have, and other phones do not have. However, it is possible as Verizon has enabled their 3G network for it.
 
gdjsnyder said:
Yes and no. The only phone that can do voice/data on Verizon at the moment is the 4G Thunderbolt. However, 3G-only phones can do it too. I believe it comes down to using a certain chip, which the CDMA iPhone 4 does not have, and other phones do not have. However, it is possible as Verizon has enabled their 3G network for it.
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diamond.g said:
Yes they can. The PHONE has to support it though.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1012752
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...or-simultaneous-voice-and-data-on-verizon-3g/

Sure enough you guys are right. I guess the Verizon iPhone was in the pipeline and testing for a while before the NEW hardware came out that would allow phones to do call and data on 3G.
 
lifeguard said:
and on the iPhone you can be on the phone and get a text message...
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I think the point you are missing here completely is that an iMessage is NOT a text message. Yes, when you're on the phone on Verizon you can still get texts. That will not be changing with iOS 5, you will still get text messages. However, you will not get iMessages. iMessages are not text messages, and many people in this thread, and your previous one are trying to make this point to you. It's not really a bug on Apple's part. iMessages requires data, when you're on the Verizon network, you do not have data while on a phone call. You have options though. Turn iMessages off, which is the best option, or connect to Wifi while on a phone call. It's that simple. I don't know why you keep going on and on arguing your point when there is a simple solution to this so called "problem".
 
gdjsnyder said:
I think the point you are missing here completely is that an iMessage is NOT a text message. Yes, when you're on the phone on Verizon you can still get texts. That will not be changing with iOS 5, you will still get text messages. However, you will not get iMessages. iMessages are not text messages, and many people in this thread, and your previous one are trying to make this point to you. It's not really a bug on Apple's part. iMessages requires data, when you're on the Verizon network, you do not have data while on a phone call. You have options though. Turn iMessages off, which is the best option, or connect to Wifi while on a phone call. It's that simple. I don't know why you keep going on and on arguing your point when there is a simple solution to this so called "problem".
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and why arnt you people understanding what I am trying to explain to you. IF YOU HAVE IMESSAGE ENABLED YOU HAVE NO CHOICE AS TO WHETHER THE "TEXT" IS SENT AS AN IMESSAGE OR SMS. If it is sent as an SMS they you will get it, if it is sent as an iMessage you will NOT get it untill they hang up. This is a fault in the system!
 
lifeguard said:
It has been observed and while it may be trivial to you It is NOT trivial to me. I recieve important text messages for work while on phone calls and we as a company decided to use Verizon because of all the issues we had with dropped calls on AT&T. Now we have fielded over 45 iPhones with Verizon and I think the imessage issue should be resolved.
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Ok ok, I wasn't saying it wasn't important but rather I have not been using iOS 5 (nor a vPhone) so I don't know how this thing behaves yet.

Hopefully something gets figured out cause it appears to be an issue (to vPhones0. I thought from your OP that you were being hypothetical. Good luck with it.
 
lifeguard said:
and why arnt you people understanding what I am trying to explain to you. IF YOU HAVE IMESSAGE ENABLED YOU HAVE NO CHOICE AS TO WHETHER THE "TEXT" IS SENT AS AN IMESSAGE OR SMS. If it is sent as an SMS they you will get it, if it is sent as an iMessage you will NOT get it untill they hang up. This is a fault in the system!
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So just turn iMessage off?
 
lifeguard said:
and why arnt you people understanding what I am trying to explain to you. IF YOU HAVE IMESSAGE ENABLED YOU HAVE NO CHOICE AS TO WHETHER THE "TEXT" IS SENT AS AN IMESSAGE OR SMS. If it is sent as an SMS they you will get it, if it is sent as an iMessage you will NOT get it untill they hang up. This is a fault in the system!
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We GET it.

This is why I don't use betas.

Hope it gets fixed for you in the official release.
 
mysterioustko said:
I think that is a good question. Does anyone have an answer for it?
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there's a 5 minute timeout, it the sending iOS device doesn't get a delivery report in 5 minutes, it asks if you want to send as an SMS instead. Also each time you go into messages, it checks that the contact can receive an iMessage, if they can, you get a blue button with "iMessage" in the typing box, if not, then green button with "text message" in the typing box
 
lifeguard said:
and why arnt you people understanding what I am trying to explain to you. IF YOU HAVE IMESSAGE ENABLED YOU HAVE NO CHOICE AS TO WHETHER THE "TEXT" IS SENT AS AN IMESSAGE OR SMS. If it is sent as an SMS they you will get it, if it is sent as an iMessage you will NOT get it untill they hang up. This is a fault in the system!
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This is not FAULT in the system dude. It's the way it's designed! At least for iPhone 4 on Verizon there is not way to go around the current issue of simultaneous data/call.
Text and Call are pretty important. I would say those working together is a MUST. But iMessage is not a MUST have. If it didn't have SMS built in as a backup, then it would be a problem. But if you're on a call when somebody sends an iMessage, you're going to receive it as a text. Just a few minutes later. I would think that's a reasonable solution.
 
lifeguard said:
and why arnt you people understanding what I am trying to explain to you. IF YOU HAVE IMESSAGE ENABLED YOU HAVE NO CHOICE AS TO WHETHER THE "TEXT" IS SENT AS AN IMESSAGE OR SMS. If it is sent as an SMS they you will get it, if it is sent as an iMessage you will NOT get it untill they hang up. This is a fault in the system!
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Did you not read my post at all? I understand when you have iMessage turned on you have no choice. That's why I told you that you have the option to turn iMessage off. If you turn it off, every message will be sent as an SMS. Problem solved.
 
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