Why I want to sell my MacBook and never look back.

[Creibold]

Sorry, been away for a couple of days



Windows naturally runs the fans higher than Macs to *gasp* KEEP THE SYSTEM COOLER!

Even HP releases firmware updates that update how the fan is used to specifically extend the life of the computer as a whole.

My HP with Vista runs about 20c cooler under load than my MacBook about half the temperature while idle.

In fact, my MacBook's idle temp is higher than my HP's load temp.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv38uGj0PhY

Still think Macs run cooler than PCs?

As I said before, my HP running Vista is faster in every respect except startup time than my Mac. HP: 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, GeForce 8400M GS. MacBook: 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950.



Did you even fully read and comprehend what you posted? Nowhere does it say that it is using the hardware to DECODE video. That is what I am talking about. You know, like Windows does. Pass the video bitstream to the GPU where all of the work gets done. What Adobe is talking about there is decoding everything in software and then using the GPU to scale the finished product to higher resolutions so that way it does not become as pixelated.

Two VERY different things.



How old are you again?



What "FUD"? Care to disprove me? I post all kinds of things that are FACTS. Such as Apple being VERY behind in terms of specs, and the fact that OS X canNOT do bitstream decoding on the GPU of video.



You "collect a paycheck for working with computers".. because that means so much, right? Who said I didn't? Let's not forget that, a few years ago, everyone and their brother graduated from ITT Tech with some sort of IT certification. "Working with computers for a living" generally doesn't mean squat because any idiot can do it.

And you never proved me wrong. Ever. All you did was post outdated information and then stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la la la I'm not listening" when I brought up FACTS about OS X's lack of modern technologies.



Making assumptions based on no experience just like all of those articles you posted, eh?



I don't instigate any arguments.

I come into a thread, state my EXPERIENCE, and FACTS about OS X (again, like increased CPU use over Windows, lack of hardware support for video, etc) and the Apple fanboys can't stand to hear the truth so they start arguing and flaming.



Like I've said a million times before, I bought into the Apple Hype. I had good experiences with OS X outside of my own home. Every Apple fanboy makes Macs and Mac OS X out to be this wonderful experience that will make you forget that you're running on low-end hardware.

So I bought it based on my experiences and the words of those who turned out to be fanboys that now don't like to hear what I say.

Then I realized they were all wrong and now I'm stuck with a $1406 computer that should have only been sold for about $700.

Oh, and the fact that you have me on your ignore list and you parade it in your sig not only proves me right, that Apple fanboys hate to hear what I have to say because its the truth, it also gives me more credit. Thank you



The whole system locks up and its not accessible at all. The fans start to spin up like something is eating up CPU time. But its completely inaccessible and the only way to kill it is to hold the power button down.



Finally! Someone else with some sense!



Maybe if Lucas had run Windows the prequel trilogy wouldn't have been a complete and utter disaster.





I wish I had taken up the refund offer from Apple.



Actually its a $900 notebook

And the real world battery life is about 3 hours and 20 minutes to 30 minutes depending on what I'm doing, with 50% brightness. About the same as my MacBook at 50%, except the screen on the HP is brighter at 50% than the MacBook.



Exactly



Talking about those articles you posted in that other thread, eh?



Nice way of twisting words around. His opinion is that they are just toys, however, it is a FACT that Macs are unsupported, lack the tools available to PCs, are VERY far behind in terms of specs, and the OS itself is lacking many modern technologies.

On a final note, I want to point out that HP is now offering the dv3500t in the US.

13.3" system, same width and depth as the MacBook, 1.48" thick however. But, of course, it has a proper cooling solution so you don't have to worry about the entire bottom of the case surpassing 40c. With the higher capacity (but not bigger) 6 cell battery it weighs nearly a full pound less than the MacBook.

For $1128.99 you get a 2GHz Penryn Core 2 Duo running on the Montevina chipset, backlit keyboard, 3GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, DVD writer, 512MB(!) GeForce 9300M GS, fingerprint and memory card readers, HDMI output, ExpressCard, 3 USB, 1 eSATA, and VGA out. $1,109.99 without the backlit keyboard.

Now, can someone explain to me how the $1099 or any MacBook is, in fact, a good deal? Or for $1228.99 you get a LED backlit screen.

For what it's worth, the GeForce 8600GT Chipset has a dedicated chip for decoding MPEG4. I don't know if this is available in the Macbook Line (nor your HP, for that matter), but in the pro line it's been around for a little while.

Also, I notice you've been writing a lot on here lately and must say - I hope you are using a nice keyboard, and not bridging on Carpal Tunnel!

 

[polaris20]

This board has great moderation. But if it doesn't satisfy you, leave.

As for the rest of your post, it's just an ad-hominem against mosx.

It really seems that you may actually be the problem here. Mosx has not gotten close to as put off as you have. His posts actually tend to be well-reasoned. His opinions tend to be logical extensions of the facts. Just because he's not popular makes him no more wrong.

I used to be a person who only considered macs. But after reading exchanges between mosx and other posters, I realized he was actually the one with the well-reasoned arguments. I'm giving macs a little less than a year, and if prices, specs, and quality issues don't improve by then, I'll end up buying a PC.

Facts are backed up by something. Otherwise they're opinions. Making blanket statements such as "Macs are unsupported" are extraordinarily ridiculous, because it's false. Who are they unsupported by? Be specific. The software availability isn't as broad as Windows, obviously. But the OSX platform is supported by a lot of enterprise level companies.

Macs are useless for some people, and that's fine. They are very useful for others. Blanket statements just make people look stupid.

If you think his blanket statements and opinions-as-fact are well thought out and good logic, then more power to you.

If he came in here and stated that for him OSX is lacking he hates the OS, hates the computers, fine. I can certainly accept that.

But that's not how the message is delivered.

As for leaving, I think I probably will. As entertaining as the posts here get, it's really not worth it. I came here looking for information, not "my OS is better than yours" pissing contests. I can get that on OSNews, and at least then people actually have some real information to back it up with.

 

[Chappers]

I've been amusing myself for sometime reading this thread but really mosx - the voice of reason. Even the thread starter said he was worse than the Apple fanboys.

As others have said mosx provides no evidence - but he did say the following things

iWeb is useless - saying websites using iWeb are not respectable is not evidence.
And this ignores the fact that he started by saying "no one uses iWeb" and then suddenly changing that to "iWeb is useless" then changing again to "iWeb is useless outside of MobileMe" to "Show me respectable websites that don't use MobileMe" and surprise surprise none of the websites I showed were respectable. The same happened with GarageBand except I showed professional users.

iMovie is useless - no evidence - but apparently no one on YouTube uses it so it must be useless.

MS are happy for less than 20% of people to use Vista, to kindly give them the choice to use XP - no evidence because its unbelievable.

Of the 1 billion people who haven't upgraded it's because they live on poor countries and can't afford it.

Of the 1 billion people who haven't upgraded it's because they live in poor countries but can afford it really but they are just happy with XP.

Of the 1 billion people who haven't upgraded its because although they live in poor countries a few Mac fanboys and tech blogs convinced them Vista was crap. That one was funny too.

Apple employ illegal immigrants. mosx is very angry about this - but no evidence
People with thick accents are probably illegal immigrants. Plainly bigoted which translated - means - no evidence.
Apple is breaking US law by tying iPhone to AT&T - no evidence.

Beric - sorry but thats not well reasoned argument. There is not a scrap of evidence to back up what he says.

Below is some real evidence for a well reasoned argument.

http://www.theacsi.org/ who show that Apple tops league tables as of 19th August 2008 for the 5th straight year. The university calculated the ACSI scores based on a consumer's overall satisfaction with a company's customer service, product quality and value, among other factors and Apple came out top again. I'm sure he will blame all the fanboys, but Apple is well clear of both Dell and HP.

Ironically HP have dropped 4% - maybe its time mosx jumped ship again.

HP with 73 points and Dell with 75 compared to 85 for Apple - I'm sure you'll be very happy with your new purchase.

 

[Vulcan]

This thread has been going on for weeks, has the OP actually called Customer Relations yet?

 

[Beric]

This thread has been going on for weeks, has the OP actually called Customer Relations yet?

Who cares? Let's talk Mac vs. PC before this thread is closed.

 

[panzer06]

I've been amusing myself for sometime reading this thread but really mosx - the voice of reason. Even the thread starter said he was worse than the Apple fanboys.

As others have said mosx provides no evidence - but he did say the following things

iWeb is useless - saying websites using iWeb are not respectable is not evidence.
And this ignores the fact that he started by saying "no one uses iWeb" and then suddenly changing that to "iWeb is useless" then changing again to "iWeb is useless outside of MobileMe" to "Show me respectable websites that don't use MobileMe" and surprise surprise none of the websites I showed were respectable. The same happened with GarageBand except I showed professional users.

iMovie is useless - no evidence - but apparently no one on YouTube uses it so it must be useless.

MS are happy for less than 20% of people to use Vista, to kindly give them the choice to use XP - no evidence because its unbelievable.

Of the 1 billion people who haven't upgraded it's because they live on poor countries and can't afford it.

Of the 1 billion people who haven't upgraded it's because they live in poor countries but can afford it really but they are just happy with XP.

Of the 1 billion people who haven't upgraded its because although they live in poor countries a few Mac fanboys and tech blogs convinced them Vista was crap. That one was funny too.

Apple employ illegal immigrants. mosx is very angry about this - but no evidence
People with thick accents are probably illegal immigrants. Plainly bigoted which translated - means - no evidence.
Apple is breaking US law by tying iPhone to AT&T - no evidence.

Beric - sorry but thats not well reasoned argument. There is not a scrap of evidence to back up what he says.

Below is some real evidence for a well reasoned argument.

http://www.theacsi.org/ who show that Apple tops league tables as of 19th August 2008 for the 5th straight year. The university calculated the ACSI scores based on a consumer's overall satisfaction with a company's customer service, product quality and value, among other factors and Apple came out top again. I'm sure he will blame all the fanboys, but Apple is well clear of both Dell and HP. Ironically HP have dropped 4% - maybe its time mosx jumped ship again.

HP with 73 points from 100 and Dell with 75 compared to 85 for Apple - I'm sure you'll be very happy with your new purchase.

Ah, but this America in the 21st Century. A well-structured, sometimes slick message trumps the truth any day!

Cheers,

 

[Dybbuk]

Well I called the Apple exec that responded to me, but all he did was offer to look into getting it repaired ... which was already approved ... it seemed like he didn't understand why I was upset, even though the e-mail I sent was very similar to my opening post.

He said to give his phone number to the person repairing my MacBook, but I didn't bother.

 

[Vulcan]

Well I called the Apple exec that responded to me, but all he did was offer to look into getting it repaired ... which was already approved ... it seemed like he didn't understand why I was upset, even though the e-mail I sent was very similar to my opening post.

He said to give his phone number to the person repairing my MacBook, but I didn't bother.

Did you specifically request a replacement, and say that you were very disappointed, believe that getting it repaired at this point wouldn't be rational as you were sold a lemon?

If not, call back and see.

 

[UltraNEO*]

Well I called the Apple exec that responded to me, but all he did was offer to look into getting it repaired ... which was already approved ... it seemed like he didn't understand why I was upset, even though the e-mail I sent was very similar to my opening post.

He said to give his phone number to the person repairing my MacBook, but I didn't bother.

I complained to Apple via email on more than one occasion regarding my MacBookPro cause the battery kept draining away, even after a full charge it'll just become flat soon after. Gave them references to when and where the system was repaired. In previous instore complaints they simply replaced the rechargeable cell cause everyone thought it's a faulty unit, in all, over the course of a year, I've had six replacement battery cells, and it killed everyone of them.

I wrote many complaints, eventually someone responded and they offered to take my machine for a full inspection... If found to be faulty they'll replace it. Here in Japan, the store support team where really helpful and they understood my neediness to have the system back as soon as possible. Within two weeks they contacted me and offered to replace a 14months unit, that has no AppleCare but a super long history of faults with a brand new machine. In addition to all this they threw in a free 4GB upgrade.

My current MBP is still the replacement machine. I've had in in bits on many occasions and upgraded whatever without the need of Apple assistance and you know? It's still ticking!! At the moment with all the talks about a new, updated and redesigned machine I'm still very reluctant to give up this baby... it's been faultless.

 

[Dybbuk]

Did you specifically request a replacement, and say that you were very disappointed, believe that getting it repaired at this point wouldn't be rational as you were sold a lemon?

If not, call back and see.

No, I didn't really put it like that. I was a little caught off guard and just wanted to end the phone call as fast as possible. I guess I will contact him again.

 

[Dybbuk]

So my repair guy just called me ... apparently he can't order the parts without speaking to the Apple exec I spoke to. Argg.

 

[marbles]

So my repair guy just called me ... apparently he can't order the parts without speaking to the Apple exec I spoke to, Stuart McKenzie. Argg.

Thought it had already been "accepted" for repair ? , why would this repair guy have to call some one .....?

Hope your being chilled out with them .....might be that they are giving you the 'run round' if your being stressed ( which I understand you must be , I would )

I'd call & email again ,document everything .

 

[Dybbuk]

Thought it had already been "accepted" for repair ? , why would this repair guy have to call some one .....?

Hope your being chilled out with them .....might be that they are giving you the 'run round' if your being stressed ( which I understand you must be , I would )

I'd call & email again ,document everything .

I've been very polite with everyone I spoke to. It had already been approved for repair by the reps I spoke to, but now that I've spoken to McKenzie they won't send off the parts before the repair rep speaks with him ...

Complaining to Apple has caused me more problems!

 

[alphaod]

I've been very polite with everyone I spoke to. It had already been approved for repair by the reps I spoke to, but now that I've spoken to McKenzie they won't send off the parts before the repair rep speaks with him ...

Complaining to Apple has caused me more problems!

Time to go to small claims court and get your money back.

 

[Chappers]

I've been very polite with everyone I spoke to. It had already been approved for repair by the reps I spoke to, but now that I've spoken to McKenzie they won't send off the parts before the repair rep speaks with him ...

Complaining to Apple has caused me more problems!

I think you need to be a bit firmer here. Before you phone write down some bullet points of what you want to say.

Tell them that you've been nice and polite but you feel you're being run around in circles.

Being polite instead of ranting is always the way to go but that doesn't mean you shouldn't stand up for yourself.

Good luck

 

[ppnkg]

I don't have a problem with people who have perfect Macs, I am happy for them. However, it is not really relevant to this thread to talk about how perfect your Mac is. There are plenty of praise threads available for that.

I just read the first page of this thread, and frankly, I don't understand why the OP has started it.

What IS relevant to this thread? What sort of answers were you expecting? Most mac users do not have problems with their machines. This is what they'll reply to your post. And they'll be kind enough to tell you they're sorry that you have these problems.

You didn't want a praise thread. You can't get any help from this thread. You call people idiots, apologists and so on. Why the hell did you start it in the first place?

I researched every apple product I own in macrumors. Did I have problems? In fact, yes, a couple of times. But I knew these problems were possible. Problems with apples are discussed ad nauseam here, so you know what you're getting, and very often you are able to recognise these problems from very early on. We get lots of horror stories here, with lots of information and without the attitude.

But most people here would agree that when you're getting an apple, there's much more to it, and what you're getting is not really comparable with a dell/windows machine.

Go enjoy your Dell and don't bother us, really.

 

[Dybbuk]

Woo! I just got off the phone with Apple, and they said I can either get it repaired and get an accessory under $300, or get an entirely new MacBook! Obviously the choice is clear, but I may have to think it over until around ... October 15th?

 

[Chappers]

Well done - I keep checking back to see how you got on and although you originally got a duff machine - it looks like great news.

 

[Dybbuk]

Well done - I keep checking back to see how you got on and although you originally got a duff machine - it looks like great news.

Yup. I was hard on Apple, but I think we should be hard on corporations. It motivates them to work harder. And in this case, it did, and I've received a resolution I am more than happy with, and this has probably guaranteed that I won't be leaving Apple. So I'm really happy!

 

[polaris20]

I'll ignore the troll above me.

Woo! I just got off the phone with Apple, and they said I can either get it repaired and get an accessory under $300, or get an entirely new MacBook! Obviously the choice is clear, but I may have to think it over until around ... October 15th?

Yeah I would just take a new one, dude. Good deal, glad you got it all worked out!

 

[maccam]

Woo! I just got off the phone with Apple, and they said I can either get it repaired and get an accessory under $300, or get an entirely new MacBook! Obviously the choice is clear, but I may have to think it over until around ... October 15th?

Eat that mosx!!

Does Dell do something like that??? (I need proof )
And FYI mosx Both Lucas Films AND Pixar have macs (and
I have proof for that )

 

[DK8]

MacBook issues

I like my Macbook (10.4.11) - It's been a reliable travel companion to me for around 18 months - - but that said I also have cracks - on the top casing where the lid comes down. I also have a non-functional ethernet port and an airport connection that only works for beyond a couple of minutes if I'm sat in the lobby of a hotel close to the source router. I have found a work around for the ethernet problem by using an ethernet cable with a USB connector on the other end... but nothing seems to make the airport issue go away - I even tried using an external HD with latest 10.5 installed - but no difference. I plan to hang onto it for as long as I can before replacing it or until an outrageous bargain deal presents itself.

 

[Vulcan]

Woo! I just got off the phone with Apple, and they said I can either get it repaired and get an accessory under $300, or get an entirely new MacBook! Obviously the choice is clear, but I may have to think it over until around ... October 15th?

Awesome, glad you can get a replacement

 

[puffnstuff]

Woo! I just got off the phone with Apple, and they said I can either get it repaired and get an accessory under $300, or get an entirely new MacBook! Obviously the choice is clear, but I may have to think it over until around ... October 15th?

Congrats!

Since you have until the 15th I say wait until next week too see if Apple is having an event. If so see if you can get the aluminum one so no more crack worries.

 

[Dybbuk]

Congrats!

Since you have until the 15th I say wait until next week too see if Apple is having an event. If so see if you can get the aluminum one so no more crack worries.

That's the idea!