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Why I'm switching to PC after 17 years of being on a Mac
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I define necessary as having some objective. But point taken, who am I or anyone else to deem a post as necessary. Usually when someone posts something, they are trying to elicit some reaction, otherwise they wouldn't bother posting. I'm just having trouble understanding what OP wanted. It sounds like he wants people to agree with him. Many don't and reacted accordingly. Maybe I should have said "unnecessarily dramatic". Dramatic it was. "it's because of the new MBP" and "you just aren't making the products that people want anymore" - is a little over the top and statistically untrue.
Many of us use PC's as well. Most of us are on other forums. People generally dislike these types of posts where the objective is just to dump on the product the forum is about. Some may even call that trolling. Personally, when I'm done with a product for whatever reason, I like to go to a new forum focussed on the new products and sing it's praises and get support. I don't hang around the product forum I used to frequent to be a buzzkill. That's just me.
Weren't you defending this machine just the other day based on a post I had made? I'm fairly certain we had a back and forth where i asserted it was an inferior machine for the price point and you vehemently defended it, lol.
The discussion we had, my refuting that the 16 gb ram limitation was an oversight on apple's part and I was defending the position that it was not an oversight but rather a conciseness tactical decision on their part. They opted to position the computer for their largest customer base, the consumer and that was a smart move because the consumer segment far outweighs the creative professional sector.
I don't want to derail this thread with a disucssion form another thread, but suffice to say my opinion is that apple is focusing on a larger customer base, many of whom don't care about the 16GB limitation. If you noticed, I didn't mentioned that is a negative issue in my list of drawbacks that the MBP has.
As for my overall opinion of the MBP, it appears to be a high quality premium machine that does not fit my needs. Its disappointing that the battery smaller and lasts less time, that the ports they removed impact my needs directly and I think for the price they're charging I can find a better tool
I suspect it will be faster and more responsive then my 2012 rMBP but given the price point and the other items I listed, its not a machine for me. That doesn't mean its poor machine for everyone, I think most consumers may very well enjoy it, and given Apple's statement that they're selling like gangbusters its clear they were targeting a different demographic then many of us
Umm, it already exists. The higher 10-series and Kabylake in dual core is already everywhere.
It's just going to be in even budget machines very, very soon.
The new MBP is already thrashed by high-end hardware. It's about to be thrashed by budget hardware (in about 5 weeks). The Apple Tax - which was always fair for the best of the best, in my opinion - is about to be a $3000 premium for a worse machine.
Excellent post and another sign as to Apple's misdirection of their business model.
Oh? Show me that quad core laptop with GTX 1050?
Is it so? Can you show me a (any) laptop that a) weight 1.8kg, b) reaches 9-10 hours battery life, c) has a better performing GPU, d) offers multiple high-speed ports?
The argument for switching to windows is becoming greater. I need a couple usb ports, an hdmi, and sd card slot.
Also, the ease of plugging in with magsafe is a dream come true if you dock your macbook and need to reach behind it.
I will say, I do like their new keyboard a lot. The smaller form factor and lighter weight is a huge plus as well. I dont mind the new color as well.
Also, the ease of plugging in with magsafe is a dream come true if you dock your macbook and need to reach behind it.
I will say, I do like their new keyboard a lot. The smaller form factor and lighter weight is a huge plus as well. I dont mind the new color as well.
Ummm, they don't, they come out in 6 weeks, which is why I said "The higher 10-series and Kabylake in dual core is already everywhere.". Which aren't either of those things.
The 1060s, 1070, 1080s are out, as is dual core Kabylake, and everywhere.
You're creating a very weird strawman there, and not defining a higher end laptop in anyway like the rest of the world does. Firstly, you know perfectly well "9-10" hours battery life is not what's happening in the real world (whereas the Surfacebook is achieving 13-16).
Secondly, every single one of the Nvidia 10-xx series are outperforming the MBP's AMD chipset, and doing so by massive margins in the Adobe suite.
Thirdly, there are lots of laptops with one or two USB-C ports. There are no other high end laptops with just USB-C ports though, because it's ridiculous in 2016. It's a negative, as told by half the posts on this board.
And 4thly, why is 1.8kg some magic number? It's not the lightest, it's not the heaviest. It is however a weight they've made a massive battery sacrifice to achieve.
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You mean the anti-Apple fanboyism is strong in this thread. I see very little posts with sound reasoning. It's all personal preference projected on the rest of the planet and people being angry about something.
I sincerely think that MacRumors should put a ban on topics like these or create a blog section because this topic is not a topic at all, it is just a blog post. It doesn't belong in a forum because forums are meant for discussions, finding solutions, etc. If you want to tell a story than you do that on a blog.
There are many things I am missing about my MBP. Those are not among them. The trackpad is horrible, and I am super glad to be away from it. Thermal management? Eh. I am happier on PC laptops which do their thermal management by actually having enough fan and heat sink to cool themselves without having to thermal-throttle. And customer support? Not in a long time. I can't remember my last good Apple customer support experience.
The consumer segment might be just as happy with machines that cost less than half as much, though... And developers are pretty important to the platform.
I was going to build an iOS app for a thing. I can't if I'm not running on a Mac, and I may end up killing the project because it would cost more for me to have a computer that can do it than I would probably end up charging for the project. The high price wouldn't be as much of a barrier if the resulting computer were awesome, because then I'd get one anyway. But if the computer's sorta mediocre, and I can get way better for less... Project dies.
... of course, I'm only back around here because the one 2016 my spouse is using has stopped working and I am looking for info about charging problems with them.
Then you are a lucky person, because the new MacBook Pros support all of those peripherals interfaces.
I seriously doubt that.
Anyway,
I don't buy most of the arguments some people are making. I love having four USB-C ports. What port has ever done so much? The dongle argument is way overblown. USB-C is the new hot thing and is coming on strong more than any other interface I have ever seen.
Touch ID is great to have on a laptop and the touch bar is very useful and will only be more so. The screen is amazing as is the ssd speed which no PC laptop has. It's very thin and they took 1/2 lb off the weight which is pretty amazing. Its certainly faster, read some benchmarks with apps for examples and cooler and quieter.
I got used to and started liking the new keys very quickly. You should be able to type a little lighter in no time at all and I really like it.
Pretty hilarious people thinking Windows will be better. I'be been seeing that argument since the start of Windows and the Mac. Windows 10 is awful. Convoluted interface, built in spyware, stability issues. Good luck with that. Plus Microsoft does not have the Apple ecosystem.will get better.
But so far I'm not thrilled with the battery life and it is odd for Apple to be so way off on claimed battery life. Also it does cost more and they cheaped out on the adapter with no hooks or extensions.
Their support still seems pretty good but I was surprised to get a Genius Bar appointment this morning for my iPad Pro and get a date a week out.
Anyway legitimate complaints are legitimate but there are lots of dumb ones too and anyone thinking they will do better with Microsoft and Windows is going to find out their problems are just beginning.
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Not everyone cares more about weight than about functionality.
Can you show me a truck that weighs under one ton, gets 70MPG, and can tow a standard trailer? No? Then clearly, my 2000 Honda Insight was more powerful than any truck.
You can't compare base models. The 2015 base didn't have a dGPU, the 2016 does. It's more comparable to the higher end 2015 and similarly priced.
First off, it's huge, and it's in my way.
Secondly, I am a mechanical-click type of person, so I turn off tap-to-click and instead use the mechanical switches. They are... at best unreliable. It appears that there's a setting for how much force is needed. I set that to the minimum and it would recognize about 90% of clicks. Note, we have clear tactile and audible feedback when clicking, and it does not reliably indicate a click.
But the real killer is: I have it set for lower-right-corner clicks as "right click". So, what do you think happens if I press firmly in the very lower-left corner, getting an audible click from the mechanical button, and there is a whisper-light brush of contact against anything somewhere in the vast reaches of the right side of the trackpad? Why, that's right, that is a right click.
So it's large and unwieldy, I need to move my hands a lot more to click, the clicks are only recognized "most" of the time, and it is prone to picking the wrong click event.
It is the second-worst touchpad experience I've ever had, narrowly edged out by an asus I had once where the trackpad's physical buttons were incredibly stiff.
Haha fanboy... I was computer teacher on Apple IIC... a long time ago...I got a lot of different apple computers BUT didn't hesitate to switch to windows computer when Apple computers suc**d (performa,G4..). Came back with Macbook unibody and iMac and never left. I was VERY angry after the last keynote, BUT took time to check the "competition", read the other forums, try windows 10...and then give my money again to apple. the macbook is not perfect, but still the best for what I want and what I'm able to pay.
Being a hateboy is as stupid as being a fanboy
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Seriously, try to adopt the two finger right click. It may take ten minutesbit it's amazing. You can click and right-click anywhere.
IME, one and two finger clicking are foultless. Three-finger drag is a bit buggy.
Except that, as I pointed out, I had about 70% success with single-finger left clicking, too. And I hate tap-to-click, and always have, and I don't really want to suddenly try to retrain my hands just because one specific trackpad doesn't work at all.
Do you go into a forum for said $90,000 car and post about how you are not going to buy it and because it has no value to you?
I can agree with customer service and probably trackpad, but MBP is not known for good thermal management. There are lots of quieter Windows laptops.