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This is EXACTLY what I'm worried about! People who don't know anything about Ventura are gonna think the place must be cool because Apple to named an OS after it and will flock there only to find out it's a borderline-ghost town and be really let down!
Show me ONE person who travels anywhere in the world because an OPERATING SYSTEM is named after it.

What an absurd notion.
 
You've just pointed out a typical example of business failure. That's why Volkswagen never succeeded in the global market share. If the global customer don't know what it is. Customer usually don't buy it, is the fact. The fact is apple to use CA's names is due to a group of morons in charge of company after Steve died. As a result. Losing vision to international market today.
Neither Apple nor Volkswagen have failed in the international market. Volkswagens are very popular here in the US, and Apple devices are considered luxury devices in much of the world.
 
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Neither Apple nor Volkswagen have failed in the international market. Volkswagens are very popular here in the US, and Apple devices are considered luxury devices in much of the world.

That also said that Volkswagens's a major failure in global share. It has no place in Asia where owns 70% of global population as of today. And Apple has been fading slowly after Steve's dead. In fact, they have no new innovated product for a decade already. They are just burning legacy left by Steve in the past decade. Poor Apple guys in California assigning wrong name to MacOS who think they did good job.... just silly. They are just moronic apple employee.
 
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That also said that Volkswagens's a major failure in global share. It has no place in Asia where owns 70% of global population as of today. And Apple has been fading slowly after Steve's dead. In fact, they have no new innovated product for a decade already. They are just burning legacy left by Steve in the past decade. Poor Apple guys in California assigning wrong name to MacOS who think they did good job.... just silly. They are just moronic apple employee.
Ehh, to say that Apple hasn't innovated since Steve Job's death is a matter of opinion. And it's a valid opinion, but I have to disagree quite strongly with it. Apple has come up with a substantial amount of innovation in the post-Steve-Jobs era.

* All-screen iPhones and iPads, shrinking the bezels and removing them almost completely.
* Blisteringly fast ARM-powered Macs with record-breaking performance AND battery life.
* Integrated graphics that can absolutely slaughter popular dedicated cards with a tiny fraction of the power consumption AND deliver their FULL performance on battery power (unheard of in the Windows laptop gaming world).
* A plethora of new health sensors and features on the Apple watch that have saved many lives
* Record-breaking thin and powerful laptops that are more portable than any other high performance laptop ever created.
* Making HiDPI displays mainstream with Retina displays (to be fair, Steve Jobs probably conceived of this and participated at least in their design. But Tim Cook saw this through and made it standard across the entire lineup).
* Multi-camera setups in iPhones with optical zoom.
* Hardware accelerated artificial intelligence to transcribe text in photos, do Siri operations on-device, perform advanced photo and video manipulation algorithms, and other sorts of things that would have been impossible a decade ago.
 
Be honest, even at this moment. After I opened up a dictionary. The dictionary has no mentioned of what is a "Ventura". The dictionary only has "Venture". So somebody just enlight me what the F is actually a "Ventura" mean!

For F sake! Even the Oxford dictionary has no mention of what the F is a "Ventura"! :rolleyes:
Ventura is based on the language of the chusmash people who inhabited the area before the Spanish took over. Ventura is a very nice area, have you ever been there?

 
Ehh, to say that Apple hasn't innovated since Steve Job's death is a matter of opinion. And it's a valid opinion, but I have to disagree quite strongly with it. Apple has come up with a substantial amount of innovation in the post-Steve-Jobs era.

This is not true. Not innovated, but just fine tuning on existing products.

* All-screen iPhones and iPads, shrinking the bezels and removing them almost completely.

it is copied from Samsung and Huawei at first!!!

* Blisteringly fast ARM-powered Macs with record-breaking performance AND battery life.
Just a fine tuning. Not a new apple product!
And it kills our beloved x86 Windows and Linux too at work!!! Exclusively fuxk them seriously for this!!! Moving to ARM is actually the most stupid decision ever made by Apple in this decade. Just as foolish as the old day they picked the PowerPC for Mac!!!

* Integrated graphics that can absolutely slaughter popular dedicated cards with a tiny fraction of the power consumption AND deliver their FULL performance on battery power (unheard of in the Windows laptop gaming world).

That's also not true. That's unwelcome by most apple fans as you can tell they love a DIY Mac more than on all-in-one Mac. For example, the old apple hardware such as Mac Pro 5,1 they can still be upgraded using the latest GPU, NVME storage manufactured today...etc prolonging the lifespan for more than 12 years! We all can tell that from the most thriving thread "Opencore" in this forum!! No one really wants an all-in-one apple hardware ever! The power consumption thing on battery is just a fine-tuning. Not innovation.

* A plethora of new health sensors and features on the Apple watch that have saved many lives

The Apple Watch is the most useless, unpractical device that apple ever created since Steve's era. And it is the only product innovated after Steve....

* Record-breaking thin and powerful laptops that are more portable than any other high performance laptop ever created.

It started from Steve's first generation of MacBook Air back in 15 years ago. It's not a new...


* Making HiDPI displays mainstream with Retina displays (to be fair, Steve Jobs probably conceived of this and participated at least in their design. But Tim Cook saw this through and made it standard across the entire lineup).

It's not an innovated product. Just a feature on an existing product.


* Multi-camera setups in iPhones with optical zoom.

The Samsung introduced the multi-camera on their Galaxy phones first... iPhone followed after years later.... let me recall you.

* Hardware accelerated artificial intelligence to transcribe text in photos, do Siri operations on-device, perform advanced photo and video manipulation algorithms, and other sorts of things that would have been impossible a decade ago.

A.I and Sir are just features on an existing device. Not a completely new innovative product. What Steve did was that he introduced a complete new product every year.... For F sake, I could still remember the moment that he pulled out a MacBook Air from an envelope on the stage! iPhone, iPod, AirPort Extreme and iMac too in every year he pulled out something completely new from his magical pocket in between 2000-2010!!!

Therefore, we are so sad about that the apple leadership today are just followers. Nothing is innovated or created for a decade! They are not a true innovator as Steve did.
 
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This is not true. Not innovated, but just fine tuning on exiting products.



it is copied from Samsung and Huawei at first!!!


Just a fine tuning. Not a new apple product!



That's also not true. That's unwelcome by most apple fans as you can tell they love a DIY Mac more than a all-in-one Mac. As the old apple hardware such as Mac Pro 5,1 they can still be upgraded the latest GPU, NVME manufactured today...etc prolonging the lifespan for more than 12 years! We all can tell that from the most thriving thread "Opencore" in this forum!! No one really wants an all-in-one apple hardware ever! The power consumption thing on battery is just a fine-tuning. Not innovation.



The Apple Watch is the most useless, unpractical device that apple ever created since Steve's era. And it is the only product innovated after Steve....



It started from Steve's first generation of MacBook Air back in 15 years ago. It's not a new...




It's not an innovated product. Just a feature on an existing product.




The Samsung introduced the multi-camera on their Galaxy phones first... iPhone followed after years later.... let me recall you.



A.I and Sir are just features on an existing device. Not a completely new innovative product. What Steve did was that he introduced a complete new product every year.... For F sake, I could still remember the moment that he pulled out a MacBook Air from an envelope on the stage! iPhone, iPod, AirPort Extreme and iMac too in every year he pulled out something completely new from his magical pocket in between 2000-2010!!!

Therefore, we are so sad about that the apple leadership today are just followers. Nothing is innovated or created for a decade! They are not a true innovator as Steve did.
Fair opinion, but if Apple were truly not innovative over the past decade (and if the world at large agreed with this assertion), then I think it's safe to say that Apple is one of the luckiest and most successful "non innovative" companies in existence.

Luckily, millions of people around the world disagree, and do love the products Apple has been creating and love the leadership they've been creating industry wide. Millions of people do find them innovative, unique, and successful. And millions of people have proudly purchased Apple products instead of the products of competitors.
 
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Ventura is based on the language of the chusmash people who inhabited the area before the Spanish took over. Ventura is a very nice area, have you ever been there?


Of course not, never heard of it. That's why using local materials as the name of a global product can't be a good idea. Just non-sense and stupid. And Mojave, Big Surf, Catalina, Monterey and Ventura are non-sense to all foreigners. Just mean nothing to us. Can't ring the bell to all us.
 
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Fair opinion, but if Apple were truly not innovative over the past decade (and if the world at large agreed with this assertion), then I think it's safe to say that Apple is one of the luckiest and most successful "non innovative" companies in existence.

Luckily, millions of people around the world disagree, and do love the products Apple has been creating and love the leadership they've been creating industry wide. Millions of people do find them innovative, unique, and successful. And millions of people have proudly purchased Apple products instead of the products of competitors.

It is all based on Steve's legacy image of Apple and in the past decade the new moronic apple leadership is just burning out the legacy left from Steve!!! Also, having a million idiots supporting is also just a delusion!! Sound likes a North Korea and China leadership. Completely on self-entertaining.
 
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It is all based on Steve's legacy image of Apple and in the past decade the new moronic apple leadership is just burning the legacy left from Steve!!! Also, having a million idiots supporting is also just a delusion!! Sound likes a North Korea and China leadership. Completely on self-entertaining.
You have a right to your opinion, but I've never once really thought of Apple and North Korea belonging in the same sentence. Gonna have to disagree with you mate.
 
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Personally the names all seem childish to me: it's an operating sytem not a Nursery school.

At present I am running Mac OS 12.5 beta something, shortly I hope to be runnimg Mac OS 13 beta something:
those numbers suffice . . . when I want to pick flowers I'll go out and pick flowers, when I want to cruise out-of-the-way places in California, I'll do that; but, at the moment I am using a computer.

Maybe they'll name Mac OS 14 after me: Mac Curmudgeon :cool:
 
Personally the names all seem childish to me: it's an operating sytem not a Nursery school.

At present I am running Mac OS 12.5 beta something, shortly I hope to be runnimg Mac OS 13 beta something:
those numbers suffice . . . when I want to pick flowers I'll go out and pick flowers, when I want to cruise out-of-the-way places in California, I'll do that; but, at the moment I am using a computer.

Maybe they'll name Mac OS 14 after me: Mac Curmudgeon :cool:

If they keep using meaningless California non-sense; or childish name for international customer. We would rather name it as MacOS GUNDAM or MacOS Sailormoon. :confused:
 
Personally the names all seem childish to me: it's an operating sytem not a Nursery school.

At present I am running Mac OS 12.5 beta something, shortly I hope to be runnimg Mac OS 13 beta something:
those numbers suffice . . . when I want to pick flowers I'll go out and pick flowers, when I want to cruise out-of-the-way places in California, I'll do that; but, at the moment I am using a computer.

Maybe they'll name Mac OS 14 after me: Mac Curmudgeon :cool:
macOS : get off my lawn edition
 
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You've just pointed out a typical example of business failure. That's why Volkswagen never succeeded in the global market share. If the global customer don't know what it is. Customer usually don't buy it, is the fact. The fact is apple to use CA's names is due to a group of California morons in charge of company after Steve died. As a result. Losing vision to international market today and losing creativity in innovating new line of products. For F sake, it has been a decade without any new innovative products. Apple is no longer a trademark of innovation. But stupidity. While in the Steve's age. New products coming out every year!!
It works for Ikea
 
Well, the one thing I don't like about Ventura, is that there are too many red light cameras there, and in neighboring Oxnard...

LOL I remember when those started going up haha. The one at Victoria and Telephone got me one day but I never did get anything in the mail and go figure thats the corner the courthouse is on too. 🤣

Im kinda shocked they didn't go with Ojai actually. Those folks are probably Apple's prime market hah.
 
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And it kills our beloved x86 Windows and Linux too at work!!! Exclusively fuxk them seriously for this!!! Moving to ARM is actually the most stupid decision ever made by Apple in this decade. Just as foolish as the old day they picked the PowerPC for Mac!!!
ARM Linux works natively and thats all I want to dual boot with macOS.
That's unwelcome by most apple fans as you can tell they love a DIY Mac more than on all-in-one Mac.
Steve loved the all-in-one Mac that is why he created it in the first place with the first iMac.
the old apple hardware such as Mac Pro 5,1 they can still be upgraded using the latest GPU, NVME storage manufactured today...etc prolonging the lifespan for more than 12 years! We all can tell that from the most thriving thread "Opencore" in this forum!! No one really wants an all-in-one apple hardware ever! The power consumption thing on battery is just a fine-tuning. Not innovation.
yes I totally want to pair the latest GPU with a CPU that is older than the moon. Bottleneck much??

The Samsung introduced the multi-camera on their Galaxy phones first... iPhone followed after years later.... let me recall you.
Actually no. Apple introduced multi-camera that before samsung did in their galaxy phone.

iPhone 7 Plus had a telephoto lens before the S8, S8+ and the Note 7 in 2016.
It started from Steve's first generation of MacBook Air back in 15 years ago. It's not a new...
Expect the MacBook Air from Steve's time up till the 2020 Intel MacBook Air had a weak Intel CPU and GPU when compared to the rest of the macbook line.
The first Macbook Air came with a stupid iPod Drive as storage.

When M1 MacBook Air came it came with a great CPU and good GPU.
The M2 MacBook Air is now the thinnest all-around notebook from Apple.

Well Intel clearly thinks M1 is an innovative product heck even Intel's CEO implied it was.

If making great SoCs is not innvovation by your standards then what Intel, AMD and Nvidia do every year should not be considered innovation as all do they is improve on "existing products".
 
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>>>ARM Linux works natively and thats all I want to dual boot with macOS.
ARM Linux mostly is only used for embedded system. Not for enterprise. It's totally useless in a commercial enterprise excepts you are doing R&D works. And the availability of the precomplied binaries/libarry/software of ARM are far less than on Intel platform. So most enterprises and their engineers actually don't welcome ARM-based Mac. It cannot even to run a Windows Server in case of troubleshooting or doing a routine support activity in a company.

Steve loved the all-in-one Mac that is why he created it in the first place with the first iMac.

Steve had admitted that sometimes he created wrong and unwelcome things on TV before.
The iMac was not even his first creation. It was the old Apple Macintosh back in 1984. As of today, time has told that what he most-innovated successfully was the Mac Pro 5,1 and MacBook Air. We can tell because the no. of discussion threads about Opencore outnumbers all other type of Mac users. And Mac Pro 5,1 is a DIY thing. And we can tell there's less people in discussing iMac and Mac Pro 6,1. That's the fact telling DIY Mac is more being welcome by most Mac users. Steve sometimes could be wrong as he admitted.

yes I totally want to pair the latest GPU with a CPU that is older than the moon. Bottleneck much??

That is undoubtedly an advancement. But it is only useful for graphical editing purpose focusing in just one application. In returns, the whole ARM Mac has abandoned the overall supportability for commercial enterprise applications. Which covering Linux and Windows supports. Then we think of the no. of demands in these two major user categories. We can tell who is more important to Apple, is the enterprise users. So they are going to drop the intel is an unwise investment. Just like going back to the day of PowerPC. They will soon to lose most enterprise customers. Time will tell.


Actually no. Apple introduced multi-camera that before samsung did in their galaxy phone.

iPhone 7 Plus had a telephoto lens before the S8, S8+ and the Note 7 in 2016.

This is a definitely wrong information. Samsung was +10 year ahead of apple in this area. They introduced Samsung B710 dual lens phone back in 2007. Your information is weak.


Expect the MacBook Air from Steve's time up till the 2020 Intel MacBook Air had a weak Intel CPU and GPU when compared to the rest of the macbook line.
The first Macbook Air came with a stupid iPod Drive as storage.

As of today's standard. It is stupid. But back in its time. It was innovated. You just measured the same thing with different degrees. Double standard. Your understanding is also weak and short sight.


When M1 MacBook Air came it came with a great CPU and good GPU.
The M2 MacBook Air is now the thinnest all-around notebook from Apple.

The NASA's CPU array is great too. But not useful for most users. It is pointless if only beneficial to a small portion of customer but losing a larger portion of customers. It is a major marketing strategy error. Soon or later, apple will cut jobs due to the demand of Silicon Mac will be far less than the intel Mac.

Well Intel clearly thinks M1 is an innovative product heck even Intel's CEO implied it was.

If making great SoCs is not innvovation by your standards then what Intel, AMD and Nvidia do every year should not be considered innovation as all do they is improve on "existing products".

You are correct on this. Intel, AMD and Nvidia Inc are all non-innovation brands as of today. They are just refining existing product line by introducing a faster model only. Not like Steve could directly changing the habit and subroutine of mankind.
 
This is a definitely wrong information. Samsung was +10 year ahead of apple in this area. They introduced Samsung B710 dual lens phone back in 2007. Your information is weak.
The B710 Samsung phone is not even a Galaxy or a smartphone. You said yourself "Samsung introduced the multi-camera on their Galaxy phones first".

Now you are lying to prove your point and moving arguments because I proved you wrong.
Steve had admitted that sometimes he created wrong and unwelcome things on TV before.
The iMac was not even his first creation. It was the old Apple Macintosh back in 1984. As of today, time has told that what he most-innovated successfully was the Mac Pro 5,1 and MacBook Air. We can tell because the no. of discussion threads about Opencore outnumbers all other type of Mac users. And Mac Pro 5,1 is a DIY thing. And we can tell there's less people in discussing iMac and Mac Pro 6,1. That's the fact telling DIY Mac is more being welcome by most Mac users. Steve sometimes could be wrong as he admitted.
If the first iMac was wrong then why did Steve continue the iMac line?
Most Mac users don't even buy the Mac Pro's. The MacBook will always be talked about more than any desktop Mac.
 
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The B710 Samsung phone is not even a Galaxy or a smartphone. You said yourself "Samsung introduced the multi-camera on their Galaxy phones first".

Now you are lying to prove your point and moving arguments because I proved you wrong.

I think the spirit of this discussion is who made the multi lens thing first. We would all agree this objective. It is Samsung. Catching words is just making you look like naive.

If the first iMac was wrong then why did Steve continue the iMac line?
Most Mac users don't even buy the Mac Pro's. The MacBook will always be talked about more than any desktop Mac.

Steve not only created the iMac, but other Macs too. However, the time has told the final outcome. The winner is Mac Pro 5,1 because it is totally DIY. And Mac users spend more effort and love on DIY a Mac than on an all-in-one Mac. Because DIY Mac has flexibility to upgrade and provide more options to upgrade on-demand. Not iMac or all-in-one Mac, as we can tell from the most thriving discussions in this forum.
 
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