"Why the BlackBerry Storm is no iPhone killer" <-- great read

[Rat-Boy]

You're totally wrong here. Windows Mobile does push email just fine, as does the iPhone on Exchange.

Mobile Me works fine as well. Maybe it's an issue with your phone. Both Mobile Me and Exchange are on my iPhone and receive email as quickly as my BB. Battery life is fine as well.

None of that answers my question.

How do you have GMAIL set up to PUSH to your iPhone?

I don't have exchange.

I no longer have MobileMe.

And also, if you are going to sit here and tell me that we get the same batter life when you have PUSH turned on and I have my iPhone set to Manual, then I am going to flat out call you a liar.

NO WAY you are going 3 days without a charge with push on.

No way, no day.

I am going 3 days without a charge.

Nice try though...

 

[benzslrpee]

can't push GMail, i have Yahoo mail that get's sent instantly though. i basically use that as my picture mail and my friends just send their pics to that. i still get around 1.5-2 days usage depending on if i use my phone like a laptop or a smartphone.

None of that answers my question.

How do you have GMAIL set up to PUSH to your iPhone?

I don't have exchange.

I no longer have MobileMe.

And also, if you are going to sit here and tell me that we get the same batter life when you have PUSH turned on and I have my iPhone set to Manual, then I am going to flat out call you a liar.

NO WAY you are going 3 days without a charge with push on.

No way, no day.

I am going 3 days without a charge.

Nice try though...

 

[Rat-Boy]

Well that isn't too shabby.

When I had MobileMe pushing, I had to charge every night basically.

And the original poster mentioned GMail and made it sound like he had push going.

Of course, everyone knows that is not true because it isn't possible.

 

[Tenorsaw]

None of that answers my question.

How do you have GMAIL set up to PUSH to your iPhone?

I don't have exchange.

I no longer have MobileMe.

And also, if you are going to sit here and tell me that we get the same batter life when you have PUSH turned on and I have my iPhone set to Manual, then I am going to flat out call you a liar.

NO WAY you are going 3 days without a charge with push on.

No way, no day.

I am going 3 days without a charge.

Nice try though...

Notice I said nothing about push with gMail. I clearly described my setup.

By the way, the BB is not the only phone the does push with gMail. The G1 does it as well. Even using the Treo with Chatter Email, I was able to setup gMail to push within the same amount of time as the BB.

 

[Ninja Dom]

The Blackberry Storm is NOT recognized by an Apple Mac when plugged in via USB.

It does NOT even show up as a device in Finder for dragging and dropping.

There is zero compatibility between a Blackberry Storm and an Apple Mac when connected via cable.

 

[QCassidy352]

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Second is the app store. My iPhone is a mobile gaming device, an ebook reader, a budget tool, a flash drive (on which I can view the files) and so much more. Unless and until someone else offers the quality and scale of apps, it's not even a close fight. To be fair...

Actually, to be fair the iPhone did not have the app store at release. So you cant really compare a fully mature iPhone with a brand new Storm, which has yet to roll out their app store.

Now that said, I just got my Storm this morning. Ummm, lets just say that if I could Id run back to my iPHone in a heartbeat. Just basic navigation, going from menu to menu, app to app causes some serious freezing and lag. I had 4 pics on my memory card. Trying to swipe from one to the next caused a several minute freeze up also. Needless to say, they need to RUSH out an update to fix some of these basic problems.

It's not about making a "fair" comparison to the iPhone. Why would I compare the June, 2007 iPhone to the storm? I'm comparing what's available today from apple to what's available today from RIM. Does anyone give the iPhone a pass on copy and paste because RIM has been doing smartphones longer? No, because all that matters is which device can do what - not why or why not.

 

[skinnylegs]

And how exactly do you have this set up?

I have had Gmail email for 4 years and have had the iPhone since the day it came out.

Still not getting true push email.

Care to share what you know that none of us don't?

Because, as far as I know, NO PHONE does push email except for a Blackberry.

And when I had that garbage known as Mobile Me, and had Push turned on, my better drained FOUR TIMES as fast.

Just facts.

But please do share your revolutionary set up that allows you to get push Gmail.

Sure, I'd be happy to share my revolutionary setup with you....

1. Configure Cox account.
2. Configure Gmail account.

There 'ya go! Do you also need me to give you some other instructions like how to turn your computer on. I'd be happy to do so!

Look...don't give me this "true push" crap. Do I get my emails instantly? Of course not. I got them at the minimum 15 minute interval (or whatever it is) allowed for by the iPhone.

Anybody that thinks they need to get emails on their phone instantly needs to get a life.

EDIT: For those rare occasions when you might actually need to get that email in a minute or two, simply start up the Mail app. or hit the refresh button.

 

[KyPosey]

the iphone for me is a love hate relationship...

I love how the phone looks, feels, acts, and turns heads....

But they do have problems that come along with the phone. But in the end all phones have problems somewhere or another. For me Blackberry tech support was a bunch of idiots and i could never walk into a blackberry store to get face to face help. With the iphone i can make an appointment and go talk to a real person who can actually show me rather than tell me. I have had every blackberry under the sun...and the storm is not impressing me at all.

 

[VoodooDaddy]

The Blackberry Storm is NOT recognized by an Apple Mac when plugged in via USB.

It does NOT even show up as a device in Finder for dragging and dropping.

There is zero compatibility between a Blackberry Storm and an Apple Mac when connected via cable.

You are wrong.

 

[VoodooDaddy]

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It's not about making a "fair" comparison to the iPhone. Why would I compare the June, 2007 iPhone to the storm? I'm comparing what's available today from apple to what's available today from RIM. Does anyone give the iPhone a pass on copy and paste because RIM has been doing smartphones longer? No, because all that matters is which device can do what - not why or why not.

Because you are saying "the app store makes the iPhone better." The iPhone didnt have the app store from the start. So you cant really say a feature they added a year later makes it better than a brand new device that doesnt have it but will. I know you will disagree, but thats how I feel.

I think the iPhone is better than the Storm. I have to use VZ so I have the Storm, but Id rather go back to my iPhone if I could. But at least Im objective about things, unlike some ppl (you)

 

[jlwillia]

We need a moderator

We need a moderator to moderate all this childish bickering. We all get it - people disagree, it's an opinion thing.

It's like arguing over who is better, Superman or Batman. There's no right or wrong answer. After about page 2 we all understand the benefits and downsides of each device. This is just getting ridiculous.

 

[gdeputy]

heres the thing about the storm. It doesn't have an app store, and the one it will eventually deliver (maybe?) won't TOUCH the apple app store.

With verizon I can promise you no apps will be free, so enjoy your money sink.

 

[VoodooDaddy]

heres the thing about the storm. It doesn't have an app store, and the one it will eventually deliver (maybe?) won't TOUCH the apple app store.

With verizon I can promise you no apps will be free, so enjoy your money sink.

Is VZ going to be in charge of the app store or is RIM? IF VZ you might be right. If RIM you might be wrong. Plus there are already tons of free apps out there for BB. Ive already installed a few. Also, there arent many free apps in the iPhone app store. Demos yes, free apps no. Yes there have been some, but not that many that were worth much. I wouldnt consider a virtual zippo, while free, to be worth anything other than a fun factor.

Look, before you all go off on me Im not saying the Storm is better. In fact Ive said repeatedly the iPhone is better and Id rather use it if I could. But, as with everything at this forum there is very little objectivity towards anything non-Apple.

 

[Tenorsaw]

Is VZ going to be in charge of the app store or is RIM? IF VZ you might be right. If RIM you might be wrong. Plus there are already tons of free apps out there for BB. Ive already installed a few. Also, there arent many free apps in the iPhone app store. Demos yes, free apps no. Yes there have been some, but not that many that were worth much. I wouldnt consider a virtual zippo, while free, to be worth anything other than a fun factor.

Look, before you all go off on me Im not saying the Storm is better. In fact Ive said repeatedly the iPhone is better and Id rather use it if I could. But, as with everything at this forum there is very little objectivity towards anything non-Apple.

You're kidding, right? There are plenty of free, useful and fun apps in the iTunes Store.

Let's see, there's Shazam, Remote, Pandora Radio, AOL Radio, i.TV, etc.

Do you have an iPhone or Touch?

 

[SmartIndianKid]

heres the thing about the storm. It doesn't have an app store, and the one it will eventually deliver (maybe?) won't TOUCH the apple app store.

With verizon I can promise you no apps will be free, so enjoy your money sink.

Why would Verizon possibly be in charge of RIM's AppStore?

The Blackberry Storm is a phone offered to world at large, and will function in any locality that currently has Blackberry Internet Service. There's absolutely not reason that Verizon would in any way control decisions made by RIM.

Unlike the iPhone, the Blackberry mentality is not "America First."

 

[Tenorsaw]

Why would Verizon possibly be in charge of RIM's AppStore?

The Blackberry Storm is a phone offered to world at large, and will function in any locality that currently has Blackberry Internet Service. There's absolutely not reason that Verizon would in any way control decisions made by RIM.

Unlike the iPhone, the Blackberry mentality is not "America First."

Not true. There are definitely contracts between the two companies. I guarantee you Verizon wouldn't allow a tethering app.

 

[VoodooDaddy]

You're kidding, right? There are plenty of free, useful and fun apps in the iTunes Store.

Let's see, there's Shazam, Remote, Pandora Radio, AOL Radio, i.TV, etc.

Do you have an iPhone or Touch?

I had an iPhone. Guess you arent reading the entire post, only cherry-picking. Also, I said "there arent many free apps in the iPhone app store."

 

[dukebound85]

I had an iPhone. Guess you arent reading the entire post, only cherry-picking. Also, I said "there arent many free apps in the iPhone app store."

yes there is

 

[Tenorsaw]

I had an iPhone. Guess you arent reading the entire post, only cherry-picking. Also, I said "there arent many free apps in the iPhone app store."

I'm definitely not cherry picking. Your statement just sounded like someone who doesn't use the app store. In the top free apps alone there are over 100 apps. While some of them are 'lite' editions, they are definitely not demos. They don't expire.

 

[SmartIndianKid]

Not true. There are definitely contracts between the two companies. I guarantee you Verizon wouldn't allow a tethering app.

There is a contract for the production of the phone. RIM also holds a similar contract with Vodafone. Neither company has any say in the applications offered by RIM.

Furthermore, the Storm (much like every other bluetooth enabled blackberry) can already tether. Without the tethering plan. All it requires is that your computer have bluetooth.

 

[kdarling]

With verizon I can promise you no apps will be free, so enjoy your money sink.

There are hundreds of free BB apps that can be used. Verizon doesn't lock out apps on their smartphones.

Not true. There are definitely contracts between the two companies. I guarantee you Verizon wouldn't allow a tethering app.

A few seconds of research would've told you that the Storm has tethering. As one reporter put it in a list of features:

"Can be tethered as a broadband modem: Using the Verizon Wireless VZAccess software, the Storm works as a 3G modem that you can tether to your laptop in order to get broadband on the go. In my tests using the Storm as a tethered modem, it averaged about 1.5 Mbps for downloads and about 500 Kbps for uploads."

 

[VoodooDaddy]

While some of them are 'lite' editions, they are definitely not demos. They don't expire.

Dude, please try to be a little bit objective. 99% of the "lite" apps ARE demos. So they dont expire, big whoop. Those are demos. Which is why I stand by what I said, there arent many FREE apps that are worth much.

I can see any logic is lost on you.

 

[erandall38]

Why is this (and any other need) so hard for people to understand? Or rather, why do you need to understand it?

If you're a stockbroker and you're sent a message to sell now, but you don't get it for 15 minutes, that could be a fortune lost.

If you're someone who maintains equipment, and a massive server farm goes down, 15 minutes is a lot of unhappy people and even lost money in an enterprise environment.

But basically, if everyone had to wait at least 15 minutes during the day, it piles up into very significant delays, especially over tens of thousands of workers. Instant gratification is the word of the day for managers nowadays. Most large companies require a form of IM now.

I think since I work in the finance industry, I have some credibility to answer this. If your broker would even consider sending an email to tell you/another broker to sell and or buy, he is an absolute idiot and you need a new broker. If it is that important, then you call! Not to mention the unprofessionalism of that scenario. Sorry, I know not everyone works in the industry, but this is just not one of the things you do. It never phases to amaze me how much about this industry others do not understand. If the trade is not time sensitive, as in very fundamentally/value based investment, then inception period is not time sensitive. An email lag of 6 minutes (or whatever you seem to be having), would have no negative effects.
In regards to other industries; I am sure anyone with a matter of so much importance is intelligent enough to know you call, whether you send an email or not. This is standard business practices when regarding time sensitive and or important matters.

On a side note. I do use an iPhone. I used to use a blackberry. No issues regarding email timing, though I work with people who understand time sensitive issues are not to only be sent by email. I feel both the iPhone and any tactile keyboard blackberry are good phones, but some phones are made more for certain people. I have not used the storm enough to give any opinion. BUT... It seems inconsistent with the blackberry trend. That is, the importance laid on emailing and business efficiency. With this "touch" screen it definitely is not efficient in the "blackberry" areas, though we should keep in mind they are going for a new market.

 

[Tenorsaw]

Dude, please try to be a little bit objective. 99% of the "lite" apps ARE demos. So they dont expire, big whoop. Those are demos. Which is why I stand by what I said, there arent many FREE apps that are worth much.

I can see any logic is lost on you.

Do yourself a favor and count your 'demos' and come back here. You'll see that the regular free apps far outweigh your 'demos'. You already mentioned that you 'had' an iPhone and telling me to be objective? I'm still using it and know what's there.

 

[dukebound85]

for free apps, look here

http://appshopper.com/free

theres quite a bunch

here's arn's list of the top 100 free apps

http://appshopper.com/bestsellers/free

i guess i just dont get when you say there arent many