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Iphone 5 has been reported fine under ios 9, on these forums. iphone 5s has been reported fine under ios 9 and ios 10, and I have two in the house. Iphone 6 has been reported fine under ios 9 and ios 10. Who are you going to believe? It goes back to what I said before, use cases will vary and one size does not fit all, and this is not "proof" by any means. In addition, I'll give a little latitude to the later operating systems, due to the 100s+ of updates since ios 6.



This is apples policy. You decide if you want to keep investing in the apple ecosystem with this policy. You can show apple your displeasure by buying the competition. Pretty simple concept really.

And once again you deflect to anecdotal reports.I will ask again.In this video in all activities the successive iOS versions are clearly visible as to being slower than the version it shipped with . This is something that is being seen in the video unlike random internet comments and hearsay reports.If this is subjective, am I "seeing it wrong"?

I buy the "competition" and Apple . I don't show blind loyalty to any company
 
And once again you deflect to anecdotal reports.I will ask again.In this video in all activities the successive iOS versions are clearly visible as to being slower than the version it shipped with . This is something that is being seen in the video unlike random internet comments and hearsay reports.If this is subjective, am I "seeing it wrong"?

I buy the "competition" and Apple . I don't show blind loyalty to any company
Youtube is anecdotal as well. Anecdotal represents one offs that cannot be proven with certainty. What does "blind loyalty" have to do this thread?
 
Every version of iOS has slowed down my older devices. My iPad 3 is pretty much unusable at this point.
 
I have an iPhone 6S. Was wondering if anyone could speculate whether or not our iPhones will become slow with iOS 11.

It will slow your 6S down by between 82.375% and 82.750%. This is a well-known, scientifically documented number that has also been proven with each of the last five generations of iPhone and is the result of Apple maliciously writing code into new iOS versions to force owners of recently-made iPhones to upgrade to the current generation as a part of an industrial planned obsolescence campaign.
 
Youtube is anecdotal as well. Anecdotal represents one offs that cannot be proven with certainty. What does "blind loyalty" have to do this thread?

You really don't know what anecdotal evidence means.From Wikipedia "Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony" The videos I am showing you are visual proof , not informal evidence .Are you seriously equating hearsay evidence to a visual demonstration of planned obsolescence in front of you?
 
You really don't know what anecdotal evidence means.From Wikipedia "Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony" The videos I am showing you are visual proof , not informal evidence .Are you seriously equating hearsay evidence to a visual demonstration of planned obsolescence in front of you?
Those videos are still anecdotal in the sense they represent a data point. Hard to believe after all these posts on this subject, back to the same fundamental hyperbole.
 
Ad Homs and hyperbole. Got it. do you understand a YouTube video is not proof of anything?

Well, you just established you indeed don't understand what proof means. I guess your "I heard someone say that this is not an issue" is more of a proof than a video in your mind. Moving along...
 
Well, you just established you indeed don't understand what proof means. I guess your "I heard someone say that this is not an issue" is more of a proof than a video in your mind. Moving along...
I guess in the other hand you view a YouTube video as absolute proof. You're entitled to your opinion, which works both ways...

However the thread is about iOS 11 and the iPhone 6s, you think an absolute statement can be made now?
 
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Exactly, Im with you on that.
Ok you think your device's performance is very poor with iOS 9 for example have the ability to go back down to ios 7 or the ios version the device came with.
Sure some apps will not always be compatible with it and certain new features will not be available but let the user have that option and make the decision.
Dont restrict him with if you ever update or restore you're stuck and you can never go back down.
They're doing it mostly to avoid people going down to ios versions that could be jailbroken but I think they're doing a disservice to their consumers.

Without disagreeing, there are legitimate security issues with making retrogrades available.
 
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There is no question there most definitely has been a change.Its not a good one though.As to your claim that this is subjective,can you please explain why in this video,the consecutive ranking of iOS goes as 6,7,8,9,10 in clean order of decreasing performance?




See above video.NONE of the older devices perform as good as the version they shipped on.Do you deny this? On the contrary we have laptops with much less powerful hardware than the latest A series chipsets performing as good as they day they shipped
That's a bit of an overreach as the only thing this proves is that iOS 6 is fastest on the iPhone 5 (which is expected as since iOS 6 predates the visual overhaul that came with iOS 7 that is much more taxing than the earlier visual style). Since iOS 6 was never available for any iPhone after the iPhone 5 that's kind of a moot point (unless you have an iPhone 5). If you look at it objectively iOS 7, 8, 9 & 10 perform similarly in most tests (and in some cases iOS 10 is the fastest out of those 4). The only clean consecutive ranking is boot time, which honestly who cares? How often do you reset your phone that a longer boot time is a huge inconvenience?

Take off your tinfoil hats everyone. There is no conspiracy by Apple to slow down older devices, it is just a result of added features over time not performing as well on older devices which aren't as powerful as the newer ones and even the impact of added features on performance has become less pronounced over time as iPhones have become much more powerful.

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Those videos are still anecdotal in the sense they represent a data point. Hard to believe after all these posts on this subject, back to the same fundamental hyperbole.
Seriously?I just showed you the definition of anecdotal evidence and you made a completely irrelevant point about "Data points" .Anecdotal evidence are casual informal statements.Stating iOS 9 absolutely destroyed the iPhone 4s is anecdotal statement.Recording a video comparing the two and showing it to people is visual proof

By your logic if I show my geekbench score on the web through a YouTube video ,its anecdotal evidence
 
Seriously?I just showed you the definition of anecdotal evidence and you made a completely irrelevant point about "Data points" .Anecdotal evidence are casual informal statements.Stating iOS 9 absolutely destroyed the iPhone 4s is anecdotal statement.Recording a video comparing the two and showing it to people is visual proof

By your logic if I show my geekbench score on the web through a YouTube video ,its anecdotal evidence
Oh come on now. If a Youtube video is to be accepted so should a post on MR. You are splitting hairs along with moving goalposts by bringing in geekbench.

The question at hand is:"would iOS 11 slow down a 6s". The correct answer is it yet remains to be seen.
 
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I hear you, obviously older ios versions that contain open exploits will be less secure but should be up to the individual user to make that choice.

I have probably been working in corporate environments too long. I'll say I'm officially 50/50 on this, can see both sides - but some of those exploits on older iOS versions are so bad that if I were making the call at Apple I'd rather lose the customer than have a policy that allowed people to move back to old versions in unlimited numbers.

I know that there is old hardware out there that never upgrades, and I'm not saying those people should be involuntarily upgraded. To me, it's striking a balance. I sympathize with being able to go backwards if things don't work out (beyond the very limited windows that Apple currently provides), but I understand why Apple does this, too. No great answers here for me, but YMMV.
 
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