Will the Verizon iPhone 6 be able to surf and talk at the same time?

[Winona Northdakota]

Will the Verizon iPhone 6 be able to surf and talk at the same time?

Meh, pretty much all manufacturers make a CDMA version for a higher user experience on CDMA networks (not just Verizon and Sprint but world wide).

Google is the one that went on about how it's cheaper to manufacture a single "world phone" with their GSM only Nexus line (excluding the Galaxy Nexus). Obvious difference is then Google passed on that savings.

That is a pitty. I remember all that silliness with my Palm Treo and Windows Mobile phones, also Blackberry. Verizon pays phone manufactures to make special phones just for them. Many phone manufactures take the money, gladly. Of course, this helps other compatible CDMA phone companies.

Yeah, the Google Nexus One was such a failure with Verizon that even Google instructed people to get a Droid Incredible instead... Neither the Google Nexus One for Verizon or the Droid Incredible had any GSM family of technology radios. They were CDMA-EVDO Rev. A. only devices.

 

[I7guy]

Somehow all the Verizon limitations are never a big deal to you and somehow you don't ever had that issue before. We know.
Same things you say on every verizon thread

They are either an issue or they are not. The same things a lot of folks REPEAT in every thread.

 

[thehustleman]

Wait, it still doesn't do it?

All the other 4G phones do it, and the iPhone still doesn't?

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Wait, it still doesn't do it?

All the other 4G phones do it, and the iPhone still doesn't?

The iPhone does do it. Just not with Verizon.

 

[thekb]

That's why I said I was either going Android *or* AT&T with my next phone. I've decided I am not willing to forgo data and simultaneous voice anymore. I'm not fluent in the technical reasons for every other phone being able to do it except Apple, but I know it to be a fact. To me that is a valuable feature and Apple and/or Verizon can't do it and it is inexcusable. Fix it or I will. That's the only thing that matters to me.

 

[thehustleman]

The iPhone does do it. Just not with Verizon.

And that's why it's behind.

Every other 4g phone does it but not the iPhone.

Apple messed up with that

 

[briankeith513]

And that's why it's behind.

Every other 4g phone does it but not the iPhone.

Apple messed up with that

This is not even debatable. This facts are, the tech has been there for a while now, which is why android phones could do it on Verizon, but the iPhone on Verizon couldn't. Apple didn't want to use the tech that was available at the time, and will use the current tech. It's a combo of both an issue with Apple, and an issue with VZW. But again, Apple is the only manufacturer on Verizon to not implement voice and data.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Will the Verizon iPhone 6 be able to surf and talk at the same time?

I'm not fluent in the technical reasons for every other phone being able to do it except Apple, but I know it to be a fact.

Apple can do it. That is a fact. The beauty is all you need to do is switch carriers. You can even keep your exact same phone, just swap SIM cards. It's not a feature of the iPhone. It's a feature of the network the iPhone is on. Other phone manufactures have chosen to make it a feature of the phone, despite the network.

 

[GoCubsGo]

You are missing the point. I am not talking about that nor did I bring up LTE. Not all LTE phones can do this.

That other phones use a hack doesn't excuse Verizon. So Apple is supposed to use a hack, because others do? There is no standard for the implementation of simultaneous voice and data that you suggest Apple use. It's a hack.

Verizon users who own phones that can do voice+data are not using any such hack. Where do you get your info? There are a variety of phones, albeit a small number, that can do voice+data on Verizon without any so-called hack. No excuse, just facts...which you clearly were unaware of.


All Apple has to do is use the proper hardware to allow this but there is absolutely no reason for them to do it, ever. Sales of iPhones on the Verizon network do not appear to be crippled by the lack of this "feature". If you want voice+data+iPhone you move over to AT&T. After 13 years with them I moved to Verizon and miss the feature only every so often.

 

[aristobrat]

This is not even debatable. This facts are, the tech has been there for a while now, which is why android phones could do it on Verizon, but the iPhone on Verizon couldn't. Apple didn't want to use the tech that was available at the time, and will use the current tech. It's a combo of both an issue with Apple, and an issue with VZW. But again, Apple is the only manufacturer on Verizon to not implement voice and data.

IIRC, doing simultaneous voice + data on Verizon requires the phone be connected to the old CDMA network (for voice) at the same time it's connected to the LTE network (for data).

Two simultaneous connections like that requires the phone have two separate cell phone antennas.

With the design of the iPhone 5/5s, the antennas are the metal edges that run around the side of the phone. Looking at them, I don't see where Apple could add another cell phone antenna, without significantly shortening the existing antennas.

If that's right, then yes, Apple could have used "the tech" for simultaneous voice + data on Verizon, it'd just require them to ditch the iPhone 5/5s design.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Verizon users who own phones that can do voice+data are not using any such hack. Where do you get your info? There are a variety of phones, albeit a small number, that can do voice+data on Verizon without any so-called hack. No excuse, just facts...which you clearly were unaware of.


All Apple has to do is use the proper hardware to allow this but there is absolutely no reason for them to do it, ever. Sales of iPhones on the Verizon network do not appear to be crippled by the lack of this "feature". If you want voice+data+iPhone you move over to AT&T. After 13 years with them I moved to Verizon and miss the feature only every so often.

Phone manufactures that are making those phones for Verizon's network aren't following any standard or official guideline to do it. Show me that they are. The proper hardware you refer to isn't standardized, it's a work-a-round to fit the existing Verizon network.

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IIRC, doing simultaneous voice + data on Verizon requires the phone be connected to the old CDMA network (for voice) at the same time it's connected to the LTE network (for data).

Two simultaneous connections like that requires the phone have two separate cell phone antennas.

With the design of the iPhone 5/5s, the antennas are the metal edges that run around the side of the phone. Looking at them, I don't see where Apple could add another cell phone antenna, without significantly shortening the existing antennas.

If that's right, then yes, Apple could have used "the tech" for simultaneous voice + data on Verizon, it'd just require them to ditch the iPhone 5/5s design.

You are correct! Thank you.

 

[I7guy]

Verizon users who own phones that can do voice+data are not using any such hack. Where do you get your info? There are a variety of phones, albeit a small number, that can do voice+data on Verizon without any so-called hack. No excuse, just facts...which you clearly were unaware of.


All Apple has to do is use the proper hardware to allow this but there is absolutely no reason for them to do it, ever. Sales of iPhones on the Verizon network do not appear to be crippled by the lack of this "feature". If you want voice+data+iPhone you move over to AT&T. After 13 years with them I moved to Verizon and miss the feature only every so often.

I don't understand why some can't understand, this feature is not a must have for everybody.

 

[aristobrat]

I don't understand why some can't understand, this feature is not a must have for everybody.

Going back through this thread, I don't see a single post where anyone says that.

There are a few people who say they'd like simultaneous voice + data, or the ability to have a conference all with more than 3 total people.

Your responses?

15 years without it simultaneous voice and data on VZW. At this point I really don't care about it. As I said, either I'm on wifi or my ipad is with me.

What limitation is that? I have had conference call capability for years on my verizon cell phones. However it's a feature I don't think I have ever used as I have a call-conferencing service.

If anything, your posts here seem to indicate that you have an annoyance with anyone that is limited by Verizon, when they use it in a manner different than you.

 

[question fear]

IIRC, doing simultaneous voice + data on Verizon requires the phone be connected to the old CDMA network (for voice) at the same time it's connected to the LTE network (for data).

Two simultaneous connections like that requires the phone have two separate cell phone antennas.

With the design of the iPhone 5/5s, the antennas are the metal edges that run around the side of the phone. Looking at them, I don't see where Apple could add another cell phone antenna, without significantly shortening the existing antennas.

If that's right, then yes, Apple could have used "the tech" for simultaneous voice + data on Verizon, it'd just require them to ditch the iPhone 5/5s design.

This is the most clear explanation I've seen of why this is limited for iPhones. I have an HTC One M8 and can do voice/data, and my prior Lumia 928 could as well.

To be honest, I've never seen it as a positive or dealbreaker, but it's interesting nonetheless.

 

[I7guy]

Going back through this thread, I don't see a single post where anyone says that.

There are a few people who say they'd like simultaneous voice + data, or the ability to have a conference all with more than 3 total people.

Your responses?





If anything, your posts here seem to indicate that you have an annoyance with anyone that is limited by Verizon, when they use it in a manner different than you.

There are other threads, not necessarily this thread, where it was said I'll jump to android or tmo or ATT if <insert your competitors or favorite feature> is not supported by the iPhone 6.

Sure, I'd like unlimited conference calling, talk and surf etc, considering I rarely make conference calls now, except for freecomferencecalls.com or never really seem to want talk and surf...having them, even if not using them, is better than not having them and needing them.

 

[C DM]

IIRC, doing simultaneous voice + data on Verizon requires the phone be connected to the old CDMA network (for voice) at the same time it's connected to the LTE network (for data).

Two simultaneous connections like that requires the phone have two separate cell phone antennas.

With the design of the iPhone 5/5s, the antennas are the metal edges that run around the side of the phone. Looking at them, I don't see where Apple could add another cell phone antenna, without significantly shortening the existing antennas.

If that's right, then yes, Apple could have used "the tech" for simultaneous voice + data on Verizon, it'd just require them to ditch the iPhone 5/5s design.

I believe there are also SVDO (and EVDV) standards for that type of thing on CDMA networks without the involvement of LTE.

 

[aristobrat]

I believe there are also SVDO (and EVDV) standards for that type of thing on CDMA networks without the involvement of LTE.

Since CDMA simply doesn't support simultaneous voice and data (no matter if the data is 1x, EVDO, or LTE), I was curious how SVDO worked.

From reading through this Anandtech article, it looks like it's the same idea -- two different simultaneous connections back to Verizon (one for voice, and one for data -- this time, slower 1x or EVDO data instead of the faster LTE data), which requires two separate cell phone antennas.

Moving to an architecture that works with SVDO and SVLTE would require an additional transmit path and antenna, and incur a size and weight penalty.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6295/...ous-voice-and-lte-or-evdo-svlte-svdo-support-

 

[kdarling]

Phone manufactures that are making those phones for Verizon's network aren't following any standard or official guideline to do it. Show me that they are. The proper hardware you refer to isn't standardized, it's a work-a-round to fit the existing Verizon network.

Simultaneous Voice + LTE is a standard: SVLTE.



However, as aristobrat points out, it requires enough antennas to transmit and receive CDMA voice and LTE data at the same time. At a minimum, it requires 3 antennas, or 4 with diversity.

For example, the Verizon Galaxy S5 has four:



Whereas the Verizon iPhone 5S has only two:

 

[GoCubsGo]

Phone manufactures that are making those phones for Verizon's network aren't following any standard or official guideline to do it. Show me that they are. The proper hardware you refer to isn't standardized, it's a work-a-round to fit the existing Verizon network.

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You are correct! Thank you.

It is not some work around. It's not a hack. You can use whatever word you wish but it is neither.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Will the Verizon iPhone 6 be able to surf and talk at the same time?

I believe there are also SVDO (and EVDV) standards for that type of thing on CDMA networks without the involvement of LTE.

SVDO requires EVDO Rev. B. Currently Verizon has deployed EVDO Rev. A, which isn't compatible with SVDO.

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Simultaneous Voice + LTE is a standard: SVLTE.

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However, as aristobrat points out, it requires enough antennas to transmit and receive CDMA voice and LTE data at the same time. At a minimum, it requires 3 antennas, or 4 with diversity.

For example, the Verizon Galaxy S5 has four:

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Whereas the Verizon iPhone 5S has only two:

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Yes SVLTE is a standard.

 

[C DM]

SVDO requires EVDO Rev. B. Currently Verizon has deployed EVDO Rev. A, which isn't compatible with SVDO.

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Yes it is.

Pretty sure that at least one (Thunderbolt) if not a few phones on Verizon actually supported SVDO. So, whether or not the full standard itself might require EVDO Rev. B., it seems like there have been Verizon phones that actually supported SVDO (at least in some form that allowed for simultaneous voice and data, without LTE).

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Will the Verizon iPhone 6 be able to surf and talk at the same time?

Pretty sure that at least one (Thunderbolt) if not a few phones on Verizon actually supported SVDO. So, whether or not the full standard itself might require EVDO Rev. B., it seems like there have been Verizon phones that actually supported SVDO (at least in some form that allowed for simultaneous voice and data, without LTE).

You are correct. The Thunderbolt does support SVDO. The network would also need to support SVDO. I might be wrong here, though I am pretty sure Verizon has only deployed EVDO Rev. A. nationwide. I know for a fact there are small pockets of EVDO Rev. B with Verizon's network.

I think you are confusing the conversation here. SVDO is not the same as SVLTE.

 

[From A Buick 8]

Apple can do it. That is a fact. The beauty is all you need to do is switch carriers. You can even keep your exact same phone, just swap SIM cards. It's not a feature of the iPhone. It's a feature of the network the iPhone is on. Other phone manufactures have chosen to make it a feature of the phone, despite the network.

Sorry to go a little off topic. So with my Verizon iPhone 5, 5c and soon to be 6, i can just port my number over to an AT&T sim and use AT&T ?

 

[C DM]

You are correct. The Thunderbolt does support SVDO. The network would also need to support SVDO. I might be wrong here, though I am pretty sure Verizon has only deployed EVDO Rev. A. nationwide. I know for a fact there are small pockets of EVDO Rev. B with Verizon's network.

I think you are confusing the conversation here. SVDO is not the same as SVLTE.

Right, SVDO is different than SVLTE or anything involving LTE--that was basically my earlier comment in relation to a post talking about simultaneous voice and data only being done with the use/help of LTE when a CDMA based network is involved (essentially to say that there are other ways without LTE that also exist, and at least in some capacity seemed like they even worked with at least one or a few devices on Verizon).

 

[Brandermill533]

Considering the IPhone

Over the last few years my household has converted to the Apple ecosystem, with the exception of my phone. It is now time for me to upgrade and I am eagerly waiting to see if all of the rumors and confirmed facts come together on release day for the I Phone 6.

Although some do not find the simultaneous voice and data important or useful, I have found it useful in the way that I use my phone. There were a few things that prevented me from getting an IPhone earlier:

-I wanted to customize my phone (now that I have gotten older, I don't have the desire or the time it takes to do this anymore)
-I wanted a larger screen (Apple now gives me that option)
-I really like the Swype keyboard (it is my understanding this could be a possibility with the IPhone 6)
-I want to be able talk and surf (if Verizon implements VoLTE this should be addressed shortly). Being able to hear directions in my earpiece while I am on a call is useful to me. Also, I often pass the time while I am in carpool line by tethering my IPad to my phone and talking on the phone. While we are traveling by car, my boys get frustrated if they are tethered to his phone to play games or downloading a book on their tablets and he needs to take a call in the middle of the download. My husband has to take a lot of calls. We use my phone sometimes, but I don't have unlimited data requiring me to be careful.

Apple addressed providing a shortcut to settings earlier.

Does anyone know more about Verizon's roll-out of VoLTE? I read the article on this site, but could not get a handle on how wide-spread the roll-out will be. I am excited that this could be the solution to my desire to have simultaneous talk and data.

Thanks.