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Working iPhone 4? PROVE IT!!

I am super happy about my iPhone 4.

I think it is the best phone out to date.

I think it exaggerates a already known design flaw in all phones.

I think apple will mask the problem with software.

I think apple will come up with a revision 2 of the iPhone 4.

I think this will counter the design flaw so that it is good enough.

I think apple will exchange revision 1 iPhone 4's in store slowly.

I think people will eventually be happy with apple again.

I think a world without apple would suck.
 
There obviously need to be more tests.

1. Two phones, 3G signal, one works, one doesn't
2. Two phones, Edge signal, one works, one doesn't
3. Two phones, no signal, one works, one doesn't. Er, wait a minute. Check that, neither works.
4. Three phones, wifi signal, one works, one doesn't one has a cracked screen.
5. Four phones, 3G signal, one phone has a bumper, one is naked, two are turned off. All work.

Please submit your videos to www.iknoweverythingandyoudont.com
 
MikePA said:
There obviously need to be more tests.

1. Two phones, 3G signal, one works, one doesn't
2. Two phones, Edge signal, one works, one doesn't
3. Two phones, no signal, one works, one doesn't. Er, wait a minute. Check that, neither works.
4. Three phones, wifi signal, one works, one doesn't one has a cracked screen.
5. Four phones, 3G signal, one phone has a bumper, one is naked, two are turned off. All work.

Please submit your videos to www.iknoweverythingandyoudont.com
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Nah. It's quite simple, two phones, one location, one phone showing a defect and the other not. It's not complicated.
 
Citrate, I am assuming you have a defective phone. So why don't you announce to this thread a time and place, like a local mall where you will be. Then invite people through this site with working phones to meet you there. You can try each of their phones to see if you can make them fail.

I personally think you would be able to make each one fail. If you short two antennas together, they fail. Seem simple enough to me.

Part of this issue is that different people have different conductivity from their hands. If you really want to see the issue, take a coin and touch it so that both antennas are shorted together. Can someone post a video of this where their phone does not lose signal with a coin touching across the antennas?

And for those who say who cares if a coin can make it fail, well, it seems a third to a half of peoples hands act like a coin in the electrical sense, while the others have dry enough hands or whatever to never see the issue.
 
OP, well done. Everything you've said in this thread, I couldn't have said better myself. I'm glad someone decided to do this. I've had the same theory as you and from the looks of it (6 pages and counting!) it looks like that theory is good. :)
 
Even if someone produces the video for which you are asking it will prove nothing. What if the first phone connects to a certain close tower. Then, when the second "defective" phone is shown dropping bars it happens because the closer tower is busy and it connected to a different tower? It would appear you have a working phone and a defective phone, when in reality it was a tower issue.
 
johnmoorejohn said:
Citrate, I am assuming you have a defective phone. So why don't you announce to this thread a time and place, like a local mall where you will be. Then invite people through this site with working phones to meet you there. You can try each of their phones to see if you can make them fail.

I personally think you would be able to make each one fail. If you short two antennas together, they fail. Seem simple enough to me.

Part of this issue is that different people have different conductivity from their hands. If you really want to see the issue, take a coin and touch it so that both antennas are shorted together. Can someone post a video of this where their phone does not lose signal with a coin touching across the antennas?

And for those who say who cas if a coin can make it fail, well, it seems a third to a half of peoples hands act like a coin in the electrical sense, while the others have dry enough hands or whatever to never see the issue.
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I'm in the UK, most of the people on here are not I would expect most to know someone else close to them that has an iPhone so it would be easier for them to meet up with a friend. I agree with you conductivity theory but that does backup the fact that all iPhone 4's are defective. People can say otherwise but we are 136 posts in and no one has been able to prove otherwise.
 
schulzmc said:
Even if someone produces the video for which you are asking it will prove nothing. What if the first phone connects to a certain close tower. Then, when the second "defective" phone is shown dropping bars it happens because the closer tower is busy and it connected to a different tower? It would appear you have a working phone and a defective phone, when in reality it was a tower issue.
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Well let's see it first and then see. The fact that no one can show this must prove something.
 
CashDude said:
I love how all of these people are getting mad and defensive, because they are just proving the OP's point. The design is flawed, not the software. Period.
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How does that prove that it's the design that's flawed? They all have the same software as well.


Daveoc64 said:
That's the thing I'm waiting to see. If Apple does acknowledge a problem (hardware or software) the people who have denied that they experience it will look a bit silly.
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Apple has no choice at this point, in my opinion. The press is having a field day with this. Can you imagine what the competitors are going to do with this? I can see the Driod ads now with some poor guy holding his iPhone look-a-like with salad tongs to make a call. No, they have to address this now. You can be sure that they will next week. They will go a massive recall if they have to, although I personally find it extremely difficult, no actually impossible, to believe that it's a design flaw. They spent 100s of millions if not billions of dollars designing it and Jony Ivey is smacking his forehead now saying "Doh! We forgot that people were going to be touching the external antenna!, What were we thinking building it into the frame"?

No way. But part of the software that wasn't updated properly before shipping? Still incredible that it got past quality control, but much easier for me to believe.
 
citrate said:
Well let's see it first and then see. The fact that no one can show this must prove something.
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1. I don't have to prove anything. I have better things to do besides take videos to show stuff working or not.

2. What will it prove? It could work at that moment.
 
mrblack927 said:
OP, well done. Everything you've said in this thread, I couldn't have said better myself. I'm glad someone decided to do this. I've had the same theory as you and from the looks of it (6 pages and counting!) it looks like that theory is good. :)
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Thanks. I just wish that other people could open their minds. I'm not saying that I'm right, just that I want to be proved wrong. I'm in a good position because my iPhone was delivered to work where I didn't have the reception problem but my friend did, when I got home the problem was clear to see so it became obvious that other people could just be lucky with their locations and not notice the signal drop, but as time goes by people will go on holiday and business trips and the issue will crop up (if my theory is correct).
 
Primejimbo said:
1. I don't have to prove anything. I have better things to do besides take videos to show stuff working or not.

2. What will it prove? It could work at that moment.
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No you don't and if you have better things to do then why post?
 
marksman said:
Still waiting for your video.
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I guess you didn't read my previous response. Why do you need proof that some devices have a defect? It's all over the internet. It's argued (by more people than me) that the issue is down to the iPhone and location, therefore for someone to prove that their phone is ok they need to be in the same location as another iPhone which is not. Which part of this do you not understand?
 
I don't have a problem and I don't need to prove ****. This is my 4th iPhone and I've been on the AT&T network (PacBell Wireless and Cingular) for 11yrs. I know my phone works. Get a life!
 
citron230 said:
I don't have a problem and I don't need to prove ****. This is my 4th iPhone and I've been on the AT&T network (PacBell Wireless and Cingular) for 11yrs. I know my phone works. Get a life!
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It amazes me how many people don't have to prove anything but still post. Trying to convince yourself are we?
 
Not even worth the argument. If someone showed something contrary to your belief, you would rationalize it being false in some manner. In time. one way or another this will get solved and life will move on. Because its not being solved on your time table is too bad. You have things you can do now. Well with in your time frame to return and wait for Apple to do something that will make you happy. Nothing is forcing you to use a phone that you apparently are not happy with right now.
 
Lamarak said:
Not even worth the argument. If someone showed something contrary to your belief, you would rationalize it being false in some manner. In time. one way or another this will get solved and life will move on. Because its not being solved on your time table is too bad. You have things you can do now. Well with in your time frame to return and wait for Apple to do something that will make you happy. Nothing is forcing you to use a phone that you apparently are not happy with right now.
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Agree with most of that although let's wait until some proof until we can see if I dismiss it. So far there hasn't been any, just a load of talk. This will get solved and as it stands it looks like I will be proved to be right.
 
Lamarak said:
Not even worth the argument. If someone showed something contrary to your belief, you would rationalize it being false in some manner. In time. one way or another this will get solved and life will move on. Because its not being solved on your time table is too bad. You have things you can do now. Well with in your time frame to return and wait for Apple to do something that will make you happy. Nothing is forcing you to use a phone that you apparently are not happy with right now.
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And another point, what makes you think that I'm doing this for me? I know I have a defective phone and would get it replaced if I thought it would help. I just want other people to know that they MIGHT also have a defective phone even though it's not apparent. This isn't helping me in the slightest.
 
I don't get all the hate for the request.

The original poster's request is very reasonable.

I too believe that every iPhone 4 has this "issue" and the difference between people seeing it and not seeing it is due to:

1) local signal or towers
2) conductivity of the person doing the test

example: http://twitter.com/aacduke/statuses/17073421802

I have two iPhones that are "affected". If there is anyone within a couple of hour radius of Richmond, VA and has an iPhone 4 that doesn't exhibit this behavior, I'll meet you and do a side-by-side. I suspect that when side-by-side either my iPhone 4 will suddenly be "fixed" or your iPhone 4 will exhibit the behavior.

arn
 
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