Even if TouchID is going to be present (under the display), Face Recognition will still need to be approved for payments by banks nevertheless, otherwise people won't switch to it and there won't be a point of having facial recognition.
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Would no Touch ID/face detection instead on iPhone 8 work for you?
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Even if TouchID is going to be present (under the display), Face Recognition will still need to be approved for payments by banks nevertheless, otherwise people won't switch to it and there won't be a point of having facial recognition.
With respect, this is paranoia based on hysteria by those who are overblowing a very rare occurrence.
Many people (unwisely) don't use Touch ID nor any security unlock feature, & many of these people have never had their phone stolen.
I think this 'panic' is up there with something such as having your Airpods stolen....many were worried about this, yet have a look at how many are being sold & lack of theft stories.
If posed with a situation that you may be compelled, just turn off / hard reset the phone real quick before handing it over. TouchID doesn't work the first time after rebooting - I believe for this reason.
Would be happy with the change, as someone returning to Apple from Android.
I'm not sure why Touch ID is so adored, I find it clunky and inferior to other options.
I'm not sure why Touch ID is so adored, I find it clunky and inferior to other options.
Just out of curiosity, have you tried the latest touch id 2? I've met other people that also haven't enabled touch id. But their reason was mostly that the setup took to long. Where as I never really get an answer on how a passcode can ever be faster then just pressing the home button. Cause thats how quick Touch ID is now. I just press the button (no holding) and I'm in.
I set up and used my girlfriend's 6s and 7 for various time periods, so I've used the updated Touch ID I believe. I'd definitely use it over passcode, but compared to the Android options, I just find it more cumbersome.
For clarity, we're dealing with fractions of second here, so I'm not claiming it is some huge burden. But people treat Touch ID as some marvel of technology, and to me it always seemed entirely ordinary. I much prefer my 6P to the 7 in that regard (although I'm coming back to iPhone for a host of other reasons).
My wife is an identical triplet.
TouchID makes her phone exclusive. Facial recognition would potentially allow her sisters to operate her phone.
TouchID seems more reliable to me.
Not really. 3D face detection systems like Windows Hello can distinguish between twins. http://www.easysecurityonline.com/windows-hello-facial-recognition-passes-twin-test/
Apple's FaceID will be able to distinguish between twins. Apple will not launch a biometric system which has such flaws, including the ability to get fooled by a photograph or video, like Samsung's Face Unlock.
Well it's NOT going to be like Samsung's. The code of the HomePod firmware indicates that it works with Infrared, which would be much more faster and more convienent than the Samsung approach.
Why does everyone think it'll be terrible?
Do you guys really think Apple would add this half-hearted approach?[doublepost=1504768631][/doublepost]
Here is how it'll probably work:
-Your phone is in a locked state. Face ID is turned off.
-You activate your phone either in a laying state or in your hand (raise to wake, tap on the screen etc)
-Face ID is active and recognizes your Face -> your phone is unlocked but stays on the Lock / notification screen
-Awareness detection kicks in
-You look away or someone else takes your phone (your phone is still on the lock / notification screen)
-The awareness detection detects a face other than yours -> the phone locks.
Of course if you are passed the lock / notification screen your phone will still be accessible. But that is the same with Touch ID.
I think Face ID will be huge. It will work seemlessly, and add another layer of security to it.
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I’m having a hard time seeing Apple dump Touch ID.
If Tim Cook says they are dumping Touch ID because of “courage”, I’m turning off the reveal and sticking with my S8+ which has iris scanning, fingerprint scanning, facial rec and pass key.
Soooo you are not even giving them a chance to present the new and better technology? You just already know that Touch ID is better then Face ID? Hmm? And if so, which use case would that be?
So is the phone going to be constantly scanning my face and unlocking as it sits next to me in a table? I don’t want that, with Touch ID I choose when I want my phone to unlock, not the other way around. Can’t be good for battery life or security either.
You should be able to do the same thing with FaceID - tap screen or raise to wake to activate Face Detection ie. it won't be looking for your face all the time & chewing up battery.
No, it won't. You will have to activate it in some way. Tap on the screen, press a button, raise to wake. After you are passed the lock screen, Face ID will stop scanning.
As I said;
-Your phone is in a locked state. Face ID is turned off.
-You activate your phone either in a laying state or in your hand (raise to wake, tap on the screen etc)
-Face ID is active and recognizes your Face -> your phone is unlocked but stays on the Lock / notification screen
-Awareness detection kicks in
-You look away or someone else takes your phone (your phone is still on the lock / notification screen)
-The awareness detection detects a face other than yours -> the phone locks.
I can tell you that holding a phone up to your face grows to be incredibly tedious compared to fingerprint unlock.
3D facial detection will be more viable if it works at funky angles common to how a person glances at their phone when tilted toward a face from a flat surface or in a car. If your face can be modeled to where the phone can be unlocked from even beneath a chin, that would be great.
However, if it requires perfectly aligned eye level placement every time it’s going to suck compared to Touch ID.
Having fingerprint detection is a blessing when I don’t want my phone held up to my face for the world to see.
There's been speculation that FaceID will work at an angle, so you won't need to look directly at the screen like with other model phones.
Also, the slightest amount of moisture won't frustratingly cause false readings of your face, unlike TouchID does.
"Would no Touch ID/face detection instead on iPhone 8 work for you?"
Yes.
...although there will be people who claim the invisible dots scanning their face are causing cancer and will try to raise lawsuits against apple.
Yes.
...although there will be people who claim the invisible dots scanning their face are causing cancer and will try to raise lawsuits against apple.
No. Do not want faceID.
I want a conscious decision to unlock the device to be required. I don't want it to just unlock if someone holds it up to my face under duress.
I want a conscious decision to unlock the device to be required. I don't want it to just unlock if someone holds it up to my face under duress.
How many times have you felt to've been near duress with the sole risk of your current phone being targeted?
Zero.
Still doesn't mean i want the ability for someone to unlock my device by pointing it at my face.
TouchID is plenty convenient yet actually requires me to decide to unlock the device.
Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it should. Face unlock is stupid. At least unless it is combined with some other second factor.
Paranoia. You've been spooked. Ask Samsung Galaxy users how many FaceID-like thefts they know about....
FaceID should also require a conscious decision to unlock the phone.
Stupid is a bit dismissive. Wait & see?
So you will stick with something that has a less secure facial recognition system (it can be unlocked via a photo and even a selfie).
Remember the slow first gen Touch ID? Remember all the news about problems with the complicated new technology for the upcoming iPhone? Even the butterfly keyboard on the MacBook Pro 2016 was faulty and has been improved with the early 17 models.
I think this will be an amazing product but it will definitely suffer under teething troubles. The 2019 generation iPhone then will be worth it and will feature a gen 2 faceID.
So I think no it won't work properly and thats why I want Touch ID.
I think this will be an amazing product but it will definitely suffer under teething troubles. The 2019 generation iPhone then will be worth it and will feature a gen 2 faceID.
So I think no it won't work properly and thats why I want Touch ID.