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Would you like Touch ID to return on next year's iPhone XS under the display?

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  • YES

    Votes: 156 41.7%

  • No

    Votes: 218 58.3%
  • Total voters
    374
No. FaceID is more capable. Rather than the return of TouchID, I expect a second generation FaceID with better, faster recognition and the ability to add more than one face. In addition to those hardware features the software development for the platform will probably be featured even more aggressively given the success of Animoji.
 
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flat five said:
to me, it's a faster physical motion.
just swipe up.

maybe a little slower for the phone to open though but again, it's less effort for me so i'm not really sure if one is faster than the other..
faster at what?
faster to use? i personally don't think so.
ymmv
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I’d like to see the face detection become faster and the overall unlock experience.

On the iPhone 7 Plus you can enable rest to open for the home button.

With that, getting into the phone is faster for me. If the screen is on. Just touch the button and you’re in. If the screen is off. Just click button and you’re in. Instantaneous.

With Face ID the recognition for me at least is slower.

Not unbearable by any means but for me definitely slower than 7 plus.
 
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I would rather the energy be put into further developing Face ID (smaller even more accurate sensors).

For me, in the first 72 hours, the only time Face ID hasn’t been buttery smooth is when trying to use in landscape (doesn’t work). Face ID has been a pleasure and something I honestly see myself forgetting is even happening. It’s almost that automatic.
 
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flat five said:
well, it's not so bad if you can feel for the button..

but touchID under the screen with a virtual button?.. that would definitely be worse than touchID on a physical button because you couldn't feel it.. you'd have to look for it and it will be a small target.

it would be okay if the whole display or a majority portion of the display would work as the reader.
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And where is that button you can feel? In the notch? 😛
 
A better design for the X is if Apple added a capacitive home button on the bottom. They would have to add a little more bezel but it would be like a tiny circle. A circle that you can turn off or on. Act like a LED notification light found on the Nexus One's trackball.

Tiny capacitive home button
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The iPhone X front isn't very symmetrical anyway with that notch. Even the Essential which is slightly shorter than the X doesn't have a notch that distracting. Apple should add a tiny bezel on the bottom to make room for a capacitive home button.

Too bad this concept never became true...
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Only time I recall when the actual product was better than the concept with iPhones was with the original. Maybe the 4 and 5 series as well. Most concept artists can now outdo Apple's real designs.
 
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I’ve had the phone a day and I’ve had zero issues with Face ID. And I was walking around Disney World in the sun. The guy from the verge has an ax to grind. This thing is running flawless. I’m already at the point where I’m like “what’s a home button?”
 
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No. I hope Face ID gets better, but I don’t hope for Touch ID to come back. When Face ID works well (which it does most of the time), it’s a much better experience for me than Touch ID. I don’t even notice that it’s there. It’s just like my phone has no passcode. If they can improve the corner cases, range, and speed of Face ID over the next couple years, I think it will be hard for anyone to say Touch ID is better.
 
Oridus said:
And where do you suggest the earpiece speaker and front facing camera go?
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The notch is mainly for the true depth camera and ir sensor. If you put touch id under the screen, you'd have basically a normal looking front face to the screen. Can still shrink the bezels like intended but have a little room to accomodate the earpiece and front facing camera. For all the talk of Apple wanting symmetry in its design, the Face ID turns everything upside down basically, including the UI.

For all intensive purposes, the notch is what it is. But rearranging the UI like Apple did just makes little sense imo. Face ID is not as fast as touch id. a swipe up, hold for a second, isn't as fast as a simple double press imo. Being able to access CC from the bottom is advantageous for basically every scenario, one-handed, right/left handed, etc. Now you must swipe from the top, and from the right side at that, on a phone that's taller on top of that. So if you're left handed, it's almost a requirement you must use two hands just to get to CC. Notifications are again a swipe from the top, but now on the opposite side. It feels ill-conceived imo.

At the very least, make the bottom bar a force touch home button, you do that and CC doesn't have to move at all, multitasking can be done easily, etc.
 
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As others have said, TouchID is gone and probably not coming back. FaceID just makes too much sense for more than just the phone. It’s a better solution for the iPad, the Mac and even the Watch. TouchID was great it’s time, but it’s time has passed.
 
flat five said:
that's not true.. at least half the space is being used by components other than trueDepth system..

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Let me rephrase. The notch is there to allow room for the Face ID system and its components.

Again I'll say to clarify, there was no notch before the X. The notch is there because of all the components they added for Face ID. Previous iphones had a earpiece and front camera before. The top/bottom bezel was more pronounced due to the supposed symmetry Apple wanted with having the touch id home button as well. The removal of the physical home button allowed the bezels to become smaller, yet with the tech they added for Face ID to work, the notch forms. They could've shrunk the bezels, had touch id under the screen, and avoided a notch while keeping the earpiece/camera.

Face ID feels somewhat rushed imo, it doesn't work in landscape, angles are not as wide, certain lighting affects performance, and some sunglasses block it altogether. I have some that work, others that don't.

Honestly the face id isn't the issue for me, or the notch. It's the ill-conceived changes to the UI that Apple did because of the changes.
 
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Truefan31 said:
Let me rephrase. The notch is there to allow room for the Face ID system and its components.

Again I'll say to clarify, there was no notch before the X. The notch is there because of all the components they added for Face ID.
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there was no notch before because of the large bezel on top..

on the X, there's a small bezel up top which was made even smaller by notching out the sides of it and adding more display..

the notch isn't because of FaceID.. it's there because instead of making the X bezel go all the way across, they made it only half as wide and added status info on the left/right via more screen.

Previous iphones had a earpiece and front camera before. The top/bottom bezel was more pronounced due to the supposed symmetry Apple wanted with having the touch id home button as well.
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where are you getting this from?

previous phones had a large bezel so they could get away from the rounded corners of the phone/casing and fit a rectangle display in there.. now, they can cut the corners of the display and better control the pixel curvature.. so they did just that and were able to eliminate most of the bezel..

The removal of the physical home button allowed the bezels to become smaller, yet with the tech they added for Face ID to work, the notch forms. They could've shrunk the bezels, had touch id under the screen, and avoided a notch while keeping the earpiece/camera.
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look at that picture i posted earlier.. the fattest single component is the faceTime / front facing camera.. the bezel has to be as thick as it is in order to accommodate that non-faceID element.. if they got rid of trueDepth, they couldn't shrink the bezel anymore.. all they could do really is make a skinnier sensor housing with a wider area for status info..
but definitely still notched and at the same height.


anyway.. a more detailed explanation of the X design can be found here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tisfy-plus-users.2075344/page-8#post-25188041

(at least, my personal understanding of it)
 
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flat five said:
there was no notch before because of the large bezel on top..

on the X, there's a small bezel up top which was made even smaller by notching out the sides of it and adding more display..

the notch isn't because of FaceID.. it's there because instead of making the X bezel go all the way across, they made it only half as wide and added status info on the left/right via more screen.


where are you getting this from?

previous phones had a large bezel so they could get away from the rounded corners of the phone/casing and fit a rectangle display in there.. now, they can cut the corners of the display and better control the pixel curvature.. so they did just that and were able to eliminate most of the bezel..



look at that picture i posted earlier.. the fattest single component is the faceTime / front facing camera.. the bezel has to be as thick as it is in order to accommodate that non-faceID element.. if they got rid of trueDepth, they couldn't shrink the bezel anymore.. all they could do really is make a skinnier sensor housing with a wider area for status info..
but definitely still notched and at the same height.


anyway.. a more detailed explanation of the X design can be found here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tisfy-plus-users.2075344/page-8#post-25188041

(at least, my personal understanding of it)
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Agree to disagree then. I view the notch as a compromise for accomodating the Face ID tech yet still trying to claim a near bezeless design, and claiming increased screen size.

Again my main criticism is the UI change, not the notch.
 
FaceID is the way to go. It's already really great now. If it gets even faster and more accurate, I see absolutely no reason to use TouchID ever again.

This is coming from a previous FaceID hater until he used the X hands-on.

The only thing FaceID needs now is unlock directly to home screen without swiping. Just give us the option, Apple.
 
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