Would you return this 13" rMBP?

[objectiveseeker]

Fingers crossed for you. I'll do the IR testing on mine tonight and report back in case it will help the A029 vs. A02A comparison. I'm on my 5th unit and was so relieved to have finally gotten a white and uniform screen, I didn't do the IR test and just enjoyed using it for the rest of the weekend. Why can't I just enjoy my *seemingly* perfect laptop rather than look for issues...

I know, right? This samsung i have here is divine.. more white, bright, vivid, and deep as any LCD i have ever seen. I'm considering keeping a computer 300$ more expensive and less specced than I wanted simply because the screen works and that's sounding more and more like a very compelling argument! I would return it all, and wait another month, if i thought that would be of any help. Looking back at the three-year record of IR issues on retina screens from LG, and looking at the massive problems this round from LG, again.. i'm nearly convinced that if you don't buy the earliest produced models in a production run (reviewer and floor model editions, which this one I have is, being one of the first sent out to best buy) you'll never get a good one.

That's why they don't want to sell the floor models, we can bet on that now.

/i've said it enough now, i know, but grrr

 

[TrijiconAMR]

Do you guys think that all A029 screens have the IR problem? I just placed an order on the store. This will be my fifth unit lol.

 

[blaine07]

Do you guys think that all A029 screens have the IR problem? I just placed an order on the store. This will be my fifth unit lol.

By asking this question your subjecting yourself to getting bottom chewed...

I'm not convinced everyone of these screens doesn't have some imperfection. Not that any should for the money but...

 

[objectiveseeker]

Confirmed: Samsung displays come out early

For the record, I had spoken with a person high up in Apple chain and he confirmed that Samsung A02A displays come out in the first shipments and that other displays, including LG, are used later as "as they come in" after the first shipment of good screens get used up.

He claims (and I believe him) that the techs at the store have no way of knowing what display you'll get, but it's another notch in the evidence belt. Out of respect for the person, who did not know I would be posting about it, I will not say when, whom, or where.

But it's real, folks. They want the good ones to make the floor and reviewers and after that the plebes get what they get.

He (wisely, for him) didn't want to comment on Apple claiming such defective, retenting displays are "in spec".

 

[Harthag]

If you have the A02A it's highly likely you'll have no IR issues.

Just ran the 10 minute IR test linked to on an earlier page. No IR whatsoever on mine. Yes, mine is an A02A screen.

objectiveseeker- That is interesting. How can Apple get away with this practice if true? Seriously, that is lawsuit worthy if true. Apple has all the money in the world and probably the best legal team in the world. They can't be that stupid?

 

[diesel]

Just ran the 10 minute IR test linked to on an earlier page. No IR whatsoever on mine. Yes, mine is an A02A screen.



objectiveseeker- That is interesting. How can Apple get away with this practice if true? Seriously, that is lawsuit worthy if true. Apple has all the money in the world and probably the best legal team in the world. They can't be that stupid?

Even if this is on the radar of some high level apple exec, I'm sure they have bean counters on staff that have calculated that the cost of simply replacing/exchanging laptops for the small % that are well informed to complain than the potential cost of a lawsuit or mass recall. Much like the auto industry where a certain auto maker calculated that the cost of paying out a lawsuit for unintended acceleration is cheaper than issuing a worldwide recall. The difference being that no-one died from a bad apple display panel.

 

[8tm]

For the record, I had spoken with a person high up in Apple chain and he confirmed that Samsung A02A displays come out in the first shipments and that other displays, including LG, are used later as "as they come in" after the first shipment of good screens get used up.

He claims (and I believe him) that the techs at the store have no way of knowing what display you'll get, but it's another notch in the evidence belt. Out of respect for the person, who did not know I would be posting about it, I will not say when, whom, or where.

But it's real, folks. They want the good ones to make the floor and reviewers and after that the plebes get what they get.

He (wisely, for him) didn't want to comment on Apple claiming such defective, retenting displays are "in spec".

Okay this is a nice breakthrough ! as you suspected, Thank you.

My replacement will most likely be a nice warm a029. I'm gonna start hitting forgotten resellers that didn't sold much maxed out 13" i guess.

 

[objectiveseeker]

Okay this is a nice breakthrough ! as you suspected, Thank you.

My replacement will most likely be a nice warm a029. I'm gonna start hitting forgotten resellers that didn't sold much maxed out 13" i guess.

I'll try not to flood this thread -- but when my replacement comes in i'll report on what I get. If it is A02A, I will be pleasantly surprised. If it's A029 but doesn't retent, i'll have a hard choice to make. Wish we knew what the flaw really was so I could be sure a good A029 would stay that way. We know ones that retent tend to get worse over time.

 

[Brittw1]

I can't believe nearly all the A029's have Ir problems. Was there a problem like this big with the 2014 2013 models? I would think apple would keep shipping A02A as I'm sure samsung still makes them later on. Its probably just harder to get one because of how diluted the are in the A029's.

It seems even apple knows that these displays can do this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202580

 

[Fthree]

Insane to think that there would be so many "bad" screens out there. I never knew of past issues and was one of the lucky ones to get the "better" screen. It did cost $2250 though...

 

[thadoggfather]

I can't believe nearly all the A029's have Ir problems. Was there a problem like this big with the 2014 2013 models? I would think apple would keep shipping A02A as I'm sure samsung still makes them later on. Its probably just harder to get one because of how diluted the are in the A029's.

It seems even apple knows that these displays can do this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202580

Yeah that's been there for a while, I don't know when it originally came out but I find this so lame:

"This is normal behavior for an IPS display, and the faint image will disappear over time.
You can prevent image persistence by using the display sleep feature to turn off the display when it is not in use. You can also use a screen saver to make sure that a static image isn't on the display for long periods of time. Both of these features are on by default in Mac OS X, but you can adjust the settings as needed."

correction: you can prevent it by detecting it early on and not accepting it.

 

[Harthag]

I can't believe nearly all the A029's have Ir problems. Was there a problem like this big with the 2014 2013 models? I would think apple would keep shipping A02A as I'm sure samsung still makes them later on. Its probably just harder to get one because of how diluted the are in the A029's.

It seems even apple knows that these displays can do this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202580

Interesting that site was last updated March 5 very recently. Whatever Apple. Please explain how my current TV with IPS screen while leaving ESPN and sports tickers on screen for many hours at a time, has zero image retention. My Dell U2412m IPS display is 3 years old without a hint of IR. My two HP Pavilion 22bw IPS monitors at my office have zero IR. What a crock. There have to be A029's that have no problems, I can't believe that they all are bad.

 

[objectiveseeker]

Interesting that site was last updated March 5 very recently. Whatever Apple. Please explain how my current TV with IPS screen while leaving ESPN and sports tickers on screen for many hours at a time, has zero image retention. My Dell U2412m IPS display is 3 years old without a hint of IR. My two HP Pavilion 22bw IPS monitors at my office have zero IR. What a crock. There have to be A029's that have no problems, I can't believe that they all are bad.

There are good A029s. I saw one. I just dont know if it stays good. wish i did. The "good" A029 seemed to have a slightly better viewing angle then the A02A, and although it was def. warmer, it was consistent and acceptable. It displayed no IR after 20 minutes of checkering.

I know that the A02A colors appear deeper, richer, whiter. I prefer it to the A029 but I dont believe a good A029 is a deal breaker.

 

[evorc]

I cannot blame some of you to keep returning. That A029 is piss yellow and if it does have IR issues forget it! We are paying so much for these laptops and at the least the one hardware component that is constantly being looked at should be close to being flawless.

 

[objectiveseeker]

Wikipedia IPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel

Somehow, the wikipedia article on IPS fails to mention image retention as "characteristic" of IPS panels!

Gee, someone should beg Apple to update this page and enlighten us all. Im sure the display engineers working at various companies would concur with this timely info about the products they sell.

 

[SE43]

I cannot blame some of you to keep returning. That A029 is piss yellow and if it does have IR issues forget it! We are paying so much for these laptops and at the least the one hardware component that is constantly being looked at should be close to being flawless.

My replacement BTO rMBP is coming today and if it is the crappy A029 I received the first time, I am going to be super tempted to return for a refund. I just cannot deal with the returns and the week waits between replacements.

I have the "perfect" screen on my 2014 13" rMBP and I want it to look exactly like that.

 

[SE43]

My replacement BTO 2015 13" rMBP with i5 2.9/16gb/256gb arrived, and it's a....A02A screen! Woohoo!

First impressions, it is much better than the first one, and it does show that A02A screens can still be gotten with a BTO too.

It is definitely ever so slightly warmer than my 2014 though, but not as bad as the first one I had which (Though I didn't check before returning) was an A029. But really not enough to worry about, very minimal and definitely not piss yellow like before. In fact you can barely tell, look at the pictures and you cannot tell at all.

It looks a lot (to me) like thadoggfather's 2015 model compared to his 2014.

Haven't done IR test yet though but the A02A's don't seem to suffer from it anyway.

Overall much happier with this one and am going to be keeping it. Provided everything else works well too.


Here are some pictures in comparison with my 2014 that has an A018. Let me know what you think. Taken with a pretty standard Canon Digital Camera, nothing fancy.

2015 is the left.
2014 is the right.
Both max brightness, everything standard, display settings etc.

And one for zooming purposes.

http://i.imgur.com/lXvl7My.jpg

So yeah, after over a week of waiting for the replacement, it seems I won the "screen lottery"!

 

[8tm]

My replacement BTO 2015 13" rMBP with i5 2.9/16gb/256gb arrived, and it's a....A02A screen! Woohoo!

Woo Congrats ! Nice to see those screens are still out there. Enjoy !

 

[SE43]

Woo Congrats ! Nice to see those screens are still out there. Enjoy !

Thank you, it's nice to finally be happy after spending all that money!

Just wish Apple would stop using those clearly troublesome A029 screens.

 

[thadoggfather]

..
So yeah, after over a week of waiting for the replacement, it seems I won the "screen lottery"!

yay! Happy for you, good screen and the specs you wanted

and the comparison does look almost identical to mine, I'd be happy with that A02A as well if I were you and ready to part with the 2014.

I have the same manufacture date too (CF3C1980)

 

[Harthag]

Congrats SE43

 

[SE43]

yay! Happy for you, good screen and the specs you wanted

and the comparison does look almost identical to mine, I'd be happy with that A02A as well if I were you and ready to part with the 2014.

I have the same manufacture date too (CF3C1980)

Thank you, will be keeping up with this thread to hear how others get on with replacements.

Interesting to see the same manufacture date.

 

[thadoggfather]

really glad good things came from this thread too, we have some really sweet users taking a (somewhat) scientific approach

Gotta love Macrumors for stuff like this, hard to find elsewhere in regards to products

 

[grator]

Well, I ordered another rMBP, base model this time (256,8), instead of my 256,16, who has a bad A029 panel.

It should arrive tomorrow, I'll let you know what's inside !

 

[objectiveseeker]

My replacement BTO 2015 13" rMBP with i5 2.9/16gb/256gb arrived, and it's a....A02A screen! Woohoo!

...

So yeah, after over a week of waiting for the replacement, it seems I won the "screen lottery"!

I've ordered mine a few days later than you. Good news.. I'll report in on Friday.