[WW] Bloodlust GAME OVER - WEREWOLVES WIN

[appleguy123]

It very well matters. However, your point on infection is well granted. However, how well can anyone fair against an infection? See in the last Simple game, iBlue scanned Mexbearpig and later on he was infected, clouding our judgement.

That can well be said for KMM; however, we have his 'promise' if that means something. Again, not going out against KMM, but his previous post makes me doubtful.

Ok, Sorcerer point granted. Also, I'll agree with mscriv. Appleguy123 needs some serious scanning. However, I vote for him, until I can find something better to go on.

I already said that I had suspicious of mscriv by mistake. There are a lot of posts here, no one can be expected to remember every post of a >700 post thread.
I'm voting for Jav6454 partly for revenge and partly because he could have wanted the seer to reveal himself so she/he can be infected.
If Jav is not lynched can you at least scan him tonight, seer?
Also, if I'm eaten tonight please remember for whom I had suspicions.

 

[Don't panic]

Well you got me! I'm a wolf!

A confession! A confession!
when something comes up, i'll change my vote

 

[stonyc]

I think we can trust KMM's scan this coming night because infecting KMM will be too obvious of a move on their part and since the WW Hunter is likely to protect him tonight... but at the same time, he is too dangerous to allow to live for long, so KMM is likely dead tomorrow night. It would be a much better strategic move to infect a less conspicuous player and concede that while a dead KMM is no use to them, a dead KMM likely hurts the Villagers even more.

As far as who to vote for, none of the people voted for so far strike me particularly strongly as potential WWs...

 

[lbro]

Votes so far:

Jav6454: 5 (NathanMuir, appleguy123, philbeeney, ucfgrad93, abijnk)
Appleguy123: 2 (Rodimus Prime, jav6454)
Abijnk: 1 (willbro)
iBlue: 1 (renewed)
Renewed: 1 (iBlue)
Mexbearpig: 1 (Don’t panic)

Majority vote is 9

Left to vote:
Melrose
Don't panic
Mscriv
stonyc
King Mook Mook

 

[philbeeney]

jav6454. Only because his fur-o-meter is completely screwed on the calibration and producing back to front results. That would only happen if you were the werewolf.

 

[ucfgrad93]

jav6454. Only because his fur-o-meter is completely screwed on the calibration and producing back to front results. That would only happen if you were the werewolf.

Agreed. I have doubts about the fur-o-meter as well. jav6454 how come you are the only one to ever see the fur-o-meter?

 

[abijnk]

I'll be voting for jav6454.

Edit: vote changed on the next page

 

[Mexbearpig]

Jav6454. Analyzing everything too much. Perhaps to divert attention.

 

[stonyc]

Jav6454. Analyzing everything too much. Perhaps to divert attention.

Seriously guys? You're going to lynch someone for "analyzing too much"? I "analyze too much". In fact, I've done multiple statistical analyses (see previous posts) for this game. I guess I must be a WW too then, huh?

I vote abjink because of this:

I'll be voting for jav6454.

No explanation given whatsoever. Mexbearpig, philbeeney, and ucfgrad93 all at least gave an explanation for their vote, as thin and flimsy as some were, at least they gave an explanation. Abjink however gave none. That feels like to me that she is trying to get in a vote with as little investment as possible... while drawing the least amount of attention as possible.

If you'd like to offer an explanation beyond "he analyzes too much", I would be more than happy to listen to your explanation and change my vote accordingly. Because before that post, I didn't really have any strong reason to suspect you more than anyone else.

In fairness, I will give you my reasons why I won't be voting for Jav6454... at least this time around:
1) analysis
2) when confronted by worthy arguments, he has conceded that he might not be right
3) doesn't trust KMM 100%, which all of us should acknowledge as the best strategic mindset to have
4) hasn't tried to hide, has posted quite a bit and whenever someone has attacked him or asked him a question, he has answered

All behaviors that when taken together do not scream "WW" at me.

And Mexbearpig, ucfgrad93 and philbeeney don't think that you're not out of this because your reasons just don't cut it... if Jav6454 gets lynched and turns out to be a Villager, you're next on my list.

Now, have I offered "too much analysis"? Maybe you should vote for me then. It seems like some of you are afraid of people who "analyze" and in this case, Jav6454... why? That was a block of four votes for Jav6454 in the space of 8 hours (and 3 votes within the space of one hour(!!!) in philbeeney, ucfgrad93 and abjink), during a lynching vote that was fairly evenly spread out previously. A couple of you are Villagers, for sure... but that block voting seemed awfully "opportunistic" to me. I think it's fair to say that there's a WW vote or two against Jav6454 right now.

Votes for now:

Jav6454: 6 (NathanMuir, appleguy123, philbeeney, ucfgrad93, abijnk, Mexbearpig)
Appleguy123: 2 (Rodimus Prime, jav6454)
Abijnk: 2 (willbro, stonyc)
iBlue: 1 (renewed)
Renewed: 1 (iBlue)
Mexbearpig: 1 (Don’t panic)
stonyc: 1 (Melrose)

Majority vote is 9

Left to vote:
Melrose
Mscriv
King Mook Mook

 

[Melrose]

stonyc. After quite a silent last couple games, you're chatting up a storm here.

 

[Don't panic]

Seriously guys? You're going to lynch someone for "analyzing too much"? I "analyze too much". In fact, I've done multiple statistical analyses (see previous posts) for this game. I guess I must be a WW too then, huh?

I vote abjink because of this:

No explanation given whatsoever. Mexbearpig, philbeeney, and ucfgrad93 all at least gave an explanation for their vote, as thin and flimsy as some were, at least they gave an explanation. Abjink however gave none. That feels like to me that she is trying to get in a vote with as little investment as possible... while drawing the least amount of attention as possible.

If you'd like to offer an explanation beyond "he analyzes too much", I would be more than happy to listen to your explanation and change my vote accordingly. Because before that post, I didn't really have any strong reason to suspect you more than anyone else.

In fairness, I will give you my reasons why I won't be voting for Jav6454... at least this time around:
1) analysis
2) when confronted by worthy arguments, he has conceded that he might not be right
3) doesn't trust KMM 100%, which all of us should acknowledge as the best strategic mindset to have
4) hasn't tried to hide, has posted quite a bit and whenever someone has attacked him or asked him a question, he has answered

All behaviors that when taken together do not scream "WW" at me.

And Mexbearpig, ucfgrad93 and philbeeney don't think that you're not out of this because your reasons just don't cut it... if Jav6454 gets lynched and turns out to be a Villager, you're next on my list.

Now, have I offered "too much analysis"? Maybe you should vote for me then. It seems like some of you are afraid of people who "analyze" and in this case, Jav6454... why? That was a block of four votes for Jav6454 in the space of 8 hours (and 3 votes within the space of one hour(!!!) in philbeeney, ucfgrad93 and abjink), during a lynching vote that was fairly evenly spread out previously. A couple of you are Villagers, for sure... but that block voting seemed awfully "opportunistic" to me. I think it's fair to say that there's a WW vote or two against Jav6454 right now.

Votes for now:
av6454: 6 (NathanMuir, appleguy123, philbeeney, ucfgrad93, abijnk, Mexbearpig)
Appleguy123: 2 (Rodimus Prime, jav6454)
Abijnk: 2 (willbro, stonyc)
iBlue: 1 (renewed)
Renewed: 1 (iBlue)
Mexbearpig: 1 (Don’t panic)

Majority vote is 9

Left to vote:
Melrose
Don't panic
Mscriv
King Mook Mook

hey do i get to vote twice? cool!

so do you think KMM is infected, or that abjnk was turned after KMM scanned her?

immediately after KMM resurrection, abjnk called for not trusting him, as a possible/logical WW move would be to infect him before he can talk. than he shows up a couple hours later and claims he scanned abjnk and she is a villager.
so, if she is an original wolf, KMM is infected, and he is playing wolf as per role-designation (rather than what he claims in the post). A complex and clever manouvre if that's what they did, but one that in front of short-term benefits, might not work long-term, because both KMM and abjnk will always be prime suspects of infection (whether it already occurred or not)

on the other hand. if KMM is clean and his claim was correct, for ajnk to be a wolf now, then she must have been the one infected (not a bad move from the wolves, considering that she had just been cleared by the seer).

i don't think this has occurred (yet) but it is certainly a possibility to keep in mind(the curse of being cleared by the seer!

 

[philbeeney]

stonyc. After quite a silent last couple games, you're chatting up a storm here.

I was thinking along the same lines. The only contribution stonyc has made so far to the game is a couple of posts with lynching totals. As soon as KMM gets raised from the dead, all of a sudden he's in chatterbox mode.

What's the matter stonyc? Are you concerned that the Seer will scan you and find out what you really are?

As for anything said by jav6454, it should be taken with a two fingered motion of sodium chloride.

I haven't seen much active participation in this game from nathanmuir, renewed, willbro and ufcgrad93. What are you guys trying to hide? It just seems strange to me that they are keeping themselves in the shadows and just voting without socialising with the rest of the villagers.

King Mook Mook, I think you should scan the aforementioned list of villagers (along with stonyc) and check to see what they are.

 

[Melrose]

I was thinking along the same lines. The only contribution stonyc has made so far to the game is a couple of posts with lynching totals. As soon as KMM gets raised from the dead, all of a sudden he's in chatterbox mode.

What's the matter stonyc? Are you concerned that the Seer will scan you and find out what you really are?

As for anything said by jav6454, it should be taken with a two fingered motion of sodium chloride.

I haven't seen much active participation in this game from nathanmuir, renewed, willbro and ufcgrad93. What are you guys trying to hide? It just seems strange to me that they are keeping themselves in the shadows and just voting without socialising with the rest of the villagers.

King Mook Mook, I think you should scan the aforementioned list of villagers (along with stonyc) and check to see what they are.

jav38456 has always been like that, though. I don't see him acting any differently than usual.

 

[abijnk]

Didn't realize I had to write a thesis in order to vote.

 

[184550]

I didn't realize stonyc and jav had such a chummy relationship.

And KMM, don't waste a scan on me tonight, I didn't realize that not posting mathematical formulas for who the wolf might be would paint a target on my back.

 

[Melrose]

Didn't realize I had to write a thesis in order to vote.

...and if you don't get your punctuation right, they'll dissect it and prove you're a wolf. Can't be too careful, you know..

 

[stonyc]

stonyc. After quite a silent last couple games, you're chatting up a storm here.

Silent?

My first complex game, I was killed what? First or second?

My second complex game I was a WW... I was chatty then, so what?

This is my third complex game, I've posted about the same maybe less than I did in the second complex game.

Let's look at the simple games, I've played I think three: first game, killed early. Second game, I was quite "chatty" then too: Villager. In fact, I even pointed out NathanMuir as one of the WW. Last simple game, just as "chatty".

My posting rate has been fairly consistent across all games that I've played and survived for a time in. Sorry, your reasoning doesn't quite fly.

I do not have a chummy relationship with Jav6454, I am merely pointing out facts:

1) a block of THREE votes were placed against Jav6454 in the space of a single hour, an additional vote was cast within the next 8 hours. If you can't surmise a single WW vote in there, Villagers are doomed.

2) Abjink, KMM "cleared" you after his resurrection. That makes you a prime target for infection. Added, your vote in the block stuck out to me the most. No, you don't have to write a thesis, but to not even provide a cursory explanation for your vote, especially within the block of three votes: suspicious.

Go ahead and lynch me for being "chattier than usual" (sorry, false) or being "too analytical" (umm, really?), or being "chummy with Jav6454" (sorry, false again)... fine by me. But I know there is at least one WW in that block of 3-4 votes against Jav6454.

EDIT:
Oh, and Nathan?

I didn't realize stonyc and jav had such a chummy relationship.

And KMM, don't waste a scan on me tonight, I didn't realize that not posting mathematical formulas for who the wolf might be would paint a target on my back.

Re-read my post, where did I ever say that you were on my suspect list? I specifically named Abjink, philbeeney, ucfgrad93 and Mexbearpig. I referred to the "block of votes" against Jav6454.

 

[iBlue]

Dude, this village needs some brownies™

 

[184550]

I was thinking along the same lines. The only contribution stonyc has made so far to the game is a couple of posts with lynching totals. As soon as KMM gets raised from the dead, all of a sudden he's in chatterbox mode.

What's the matter stonyc? Are you concerned that the Seer will scan you and find out what you really are?

As for anything said by jav6454, it should be taken with a two fingered motion of sodium chloride.

I haven't seen much active participation in this game from nathanmuir, renewed, willbro and ufcgrad93. What are you guys trying to hide? It just seems strange to me that they are keeping themselves in the shadows and just voting without socialising with the rest of the villagers.

King Mook Mook, I think you should scan the aforementioned list of villagers (along with stonyc) and check to see what they are.

I didn't realize stonyc and jav had such a chummy relationship.

And KMM, don't waste a scan on me tonight, I didn't realize that not posting mathematical formulas for who the wolf might be would paint a target on my back.

(snip)

EDIT:
Oh, and Nathan?


Re-read my post, where did I ever say that you were on my suspect list? I specifically named Abjink, philbeeney, ucfgrad93 and Mexbearpig. I referred to the "block of votes" against Jav6454.

The second sentence was in reference to the bolded portions above.

 

[appleguy123]

I didn't realize stonyc and jav had such a chummy relationship.

And KMM, don't waste a scan on me tonight, I didn't realize that not posting mathematical formulas for who the wolf might be would paint a target on my back.

You're afraid to be scanned? What are you hiding that you don't want KMM to see.
Consider that tonight, King Mook Mook

 

[stonyc]

I was thinking along the same lines. The only contribution stonyc has made so far to the game is a couple of posts with lynching totals. As soon as KMM gets raised from the dead, all of a sudden he's in chatterbox mode.

I posted both before and after KMM was resurrected, you must not have been paying attention.

What's the matter stonyc? Are you concerned that the Seer will scan you and find out what you really are?

Not at all. Are you afraid that I'm right?

I find it funny that immediately after I posted that I saw a block of votes (which likely has at least one WW in it), Melrose comes up with a mis-informed reason to vote for me. Followed by Philbeeney.

Here's what I think happened:

I think abjink got infected after KMM cleared her, I think KMM is infection-free. I think keeping KMM infection-free works to WW advantage because any of his scans are already considered suspect. It wouldn't be too hard to get people to turn against him, or just kill him outright tomorrow night.

Abjink is a GREAT player to have on your side, WW or not.

I think philbeeney, another WW decided to start some momentum against Jav6454 who already had 2 votes.

I think Abjink thought that she could slide in without drawing too much attention.

Once the WW voting block was found out, Melrose (another WW) came to the block's defense and tried to divert attention to me.

I think your three WWs are philbeeney, Melrose and abjink.

Lynch me, and you just put another nail in your coffin WWs. There are plenty of smart players out there still.

 

[stonyc]

The second sentence was in reference to the bolded portions above.

Gotcha, my name was in the first sentence and I continued that reference to your second sentence.

EDIT: Going in to a meeting in about 10 minutes. I fully expect to be eaten tonight (or lynched), but I'm glad that I at least got out what I wanted to say, unlike in the last simple game... I think the WWs made a mistake and hoped that no one would notice.

 

[abijnk]

Here's what I think happened:

I think abjink got infected after KMM cleared her, I think KMM is infection-free. I think keeping KMM infection-free works to WW advantage because any of his scans are already considered suspect. It wouldn't be too hard to get people to turn against him, or just kill him outright tomorrow night.

Abjink is a GREAT player to have on your side, WW or not.

I think philbeeney, another WW decided to start some momentum against Jav6454 who already had 2 votes.

I think Abjink thought that she could slide in without drawing too much attention.

Once the WW voting block was found out, Melrose (another WW) came to the block's defense and tried to divert attention to me.

I think your three WWs are philbeeney, Melrose and abjink.

Lynch me, and you just put another nail in your coffin WWs. There are plenty of smart players out there still.

Joke's on you dude, because, like KMM said I am a villager, and no, I have not been infected.

It would be incredibly stupid for them to infect me because it would be too obvious. As soon as KMM said he scanned me I had a HUGE target painted on my back (one which, I may point out, you are currently shooting at). I would go down way too quickly and would be of no help at all. Now that KMM has been resurrected the werewolves are probably celebrating, because it means we will not trust him and it means that they now have a narrowed down pool from which to select someone to infect. The right person to infect would be someone KMM has not claimed to have scanned and not KMM himself. That would fly completely under the radar and work in their best favor.

Now, the funny thing is, the reasoning I just posted above should be obvious in and of itself to someone who has already played, say, 2 or 3 games. And yet you have fallen into it so easily...

So I am left with 2 possible conclusions:

1) You are as of yet naive and ignorant about good game strategy

-or-

2) You are a baddie yourself

My most prominent personal motto is "assume ignorance before malicious intent," but I don't know if it holds very well here.

Time will tell.

 

[Melrose]

It would be incredibly stupid for them to infect me because it would be too obvious. As soon as KMM said he scanned me I had a HUGE target painted on my back (one which, I may point out, you are currently shooting at). I would go down way too quickly and would be of no help at all. Now that KMM has been resurrected the werewolves are probably celebrating, because it means we will not trust him and it means that they now have a narrowed down pool from which to select someone to infect. The right person to infect would be someone KMM has not claimed to have scanned and not KMM himself. That would fly completely under the radar and work in their best favor.

I disagree. They could infect the second-to-last person to be scanned, and we'd be none the wiser. The bottom line is, if they avoid infecting the most prominent options we have no clue who it is, and by the time we've whittled away at our list of positives we've lost the game.

Given that strategy like this is discussed all the time in every game we've played, and yet nothing is ever done about it, they can infect even the most likely candidate and we'd still lynch the wrong people.

I still say stonyc. To me, all his blathering is ringing a little too hollow.

 

[Don't panic]

so, who is going to be the first one to throw a shoe?