[WW] Bloodlust GAME OVER - WEREWOLVES WIN

[ravenvii]

I know that many players are playing in both this and the simple game. Please be considerate of both my and chrmjenkins' rules regarding dead players. A dead player in the other game posting here attempting to indirectly influence the other game breaks the rules both here and there. Please abstain from doing so. Thanks!

A horrifying howl awakens abijnk, who runs outside to see several other villagers already standing in the perimeter of the town square.

The hubris ended as soon as it begun, and the only thing the villagers saw was a flash of fur and teeth disappearing into the woods. In the middle of the square is the mangled remains of the panda's head. Apparently the werewolves hoped to eat someone and leave a mangled panda's head to incite the villagers into a repeat of the previous day's lynching.

The next morning revealed that nothing further has transpired during the night. There was clearly a failed attempt at an attack.

Everyone survived the night. It is now DAY, and 15 still remain. The majority vote is 8.

 

[appleguy123]

If all the villagers are here, and there is a werewolf in the forest, then maybe republicans are right about immigrants being bad for America
Nice job hunter, I thought that I was a gonner for sure(but I always feel that way because I'm a chronic pessimist).

 

[Don't panic]

I know that many players are playing in both this and the simple game. Please be considerate of both my and chrmjenkins' rules regarding dead players. A dead player in the other game posting here attempting to indirectly influence the other game breaks the rules both here and there. Please abstain from doing so. Thanks!

A horrifying howl awakens abijnk, who runs outside to see several other villagers already standing in the perimeter of the town square.

The hubris ended as soon as it begun, and the only thing the villagers saw was a flash of fur and teeth disappearing into the woods. In the middle of the square is the mangled remains of the panda's head. Apparently the werewolves hoped to eat someone and leave a mangled panda's head to incite the villagers into a repeat of the previous day's lynching.

The next morning revealed that nothing further has transpired during the night. There was clearly a failed attempt at an attack.

Everyone survived the night. It is now DAY, and 15 still remain. The majority vote is 8.

i suppose that is directed at me since this is what aggie directly accused me of doing in the other thread.
i honestly think this is ridicoluos and unfair. the post in question (today 12:37) was very obviously a joke on jav's fur-o-meter and most certainly not intended to influence either game. i also immediately clarified that i wasn't going to discuss anything about the other game in this thread (or the other) until its end, exactly for the reasons mentioned by ravenvii. to construe those posts as meddling is borderline paranoia. everyone can go back and read the post in question and make up their mind.

by the way congrats to the hunters: excellent job.

 

[ravenvii]

i suppose that is directed at me since this is what aggie directly accused me of doing in the other thread.
i honestly think this is ridicoluos and unfair. the post in question (today 12:37) was very obviously a joke on jav's fur-o-meter and most certainly not intended to influence either game. i also immediately clarified that i wasn't going to discuss anything about the other game in this thread (or the other) until its end, exactly for the reasons mentioned by ravenvii. to construe those posts as meddling is borderline paranoia. everyone can go back and read the post in question and make up their mind.

by the way congrats to the hunters: excellent job.

That wasn't directed at you; I just put it there as a reminder. You'll see why soon.

 

[jav6454]

He is incredibly talented at this game. No offense, -aggie-, but I'm glad you are already out of this one.

The thing is, he was a villager, so his expertise could sure help us. Now, where is that Sorcerer when you need him? Also, the failed attack can be directed because of the following:

1. Attacked the WW Hunter's Protegee
2. Attacked the WW Hunter and immunity kicked in for the only time
3. Attacked the actual vampire.

 

[184550]

I'll be voting for Jav6454.

Most of this is based on a gut feeling, so take it or leave it.

However, I find it suspicious that he directed the Sorcerer not to bring back King Mook Mook, the seer if you believe him, and that he more recently asked the Sorcerer to revive Aggie, who we all know is pretty good at this game and has succeeded as a Wolf before.

Also, I don't understand his math at all, I'm horrible at math though, so maybe that's just me.

 

[appleguy123]

I'll be voting for Jav6454.

Most of this is based on a gut feeling, so take it or leave it.

However, I find it suspicious that he directed the Sorcerer not to bring back King Mook Mook, the seer if you believe him, and that he more recently asked the Sorcerer to revive Aggie, who we all know is pretty good at this game and has succeeded as a Wolf before.

Also, I don't understand his math at all, I'm horrible at math though, so maybe that's just me.

I also don't think that it's a good idea to bring the seer back. He said that he only scanned a villager, this still leaves a lot of badies.
ANd then after that we'd be at square one where we couldn't trust him and would have had to lynch him because he could be infected.
We should save the resurrect power for when the hunter reveals himself as this special is far more valuable at the later points of the game(compared to a seer that we'd have to lynch in a daY).


Right now I'm most suspicious of Mscriv, among a few others, because he is almost always posting his little fingers out giving us advice, but this game he has been more silent.
I don't think that he is a werewolve, because if he were he'd act like normal and try to fool us. I think that he's a vampire or goth because he's laying low while he waits to become activated.


Edit: suspicions were false. Chris exonerated mscriv in a previous post they I must have passed over.
I'm not voting yet, because I don't really have any good evidence against any player yet.
If any of you have any good theories I'm game for them

 

[ravenvii]

The ground shook, and the air tingled with power and malevolence. The villagers begun to look towards the forest, where a pillar of white light could be seen on the horizon, above the towering trees.

Suddenly, a flash of white light exploded outwards from the pillar, knocking the villagers off their feet. Silence suddenly followed. But for the gushing wind and several fallen trees, it was as if nothing has happened.

As the disoriented villagers made their way on their feet, a figure staggered out of the forest.

The villagers suddenly recognized King Mook Mook, who staggered towards them, then fell to his knees and vomited blood, staining the grass red.

The villagers watched, unsure of how to react. Something terrible has happened, but it may very well work out in their favor.

It might also be the beginning of the end. Such is the dichotomy of Sorcery.

King Mook Mook has been resurrected. 16 villagers now remain, and the majority is now 9.

 

[abijnk]

Hm... Interesting choice.

 

[lbro]

Not a very smart choice IMO, KMM will get infected so we'll have to lynch him.

 

[abijnk]

Not a very smart choice IMO, KMM will get infected so we'll have to lynch him.

If I were a ww I would have infected him as soon as the post was made. I agree, not smart. The seer isn't only valuable on the villagers side, but on the ww side, and assuming infection hasn't been used yet, you just handed the wws a very powerful tool. At the very very least you've wasted a round of voting because we will need to lynch him again.

 

[184550]

Well, now that KMM is back, I suppose that we should wait until he has a chance to reveal who he scanned last.

I'll put my vote for Jav on hold.

 

[mscriv]

Right now I'm most suspicious of Mscriv, among a few others, because he is almost always posting his little fingers out giving us advice, but this game he has been more silent.
I don't think that he is a werewolve, because if he were he'd act like normal and try to fool us. I think that he's a vampire or goth because he's laying low while he waits to become activated.

Ahem...

Finally, I can tell you the result of my first night's scan. Mscriv is not the head vampire. He may be a goth or a werewolf or anything else, but he's not the head vamp. I'm glad to be able to clear him because I think he's one of your guys' best hopes. I was really impressed with his insight last game, so I hope he gets to stick around (if he's good).

Hmm... why so eager to cast doubt against me appleguy123? I appreciate your concern regarding my "little fingers", but I assure you they are as dexterous as ever. I've been very active in this thread, but I haven't yet posted any solid theories as of yet because we are still early in the game and as such I'm continuing to make observations and gather information.

Speaking of observations, I find it odd that you think you are in danger from the wolf pack. What have you done to make yourself a threat to them? Is it possible you are feigning nervousness when in reality you are quite safe? Are you, in truth, rallying against the return of the seer and seeking to cast doubt against me because you don't want the seer back and you're upset that your attempt to kill me last night failed. (By the way, thank you Mr/Mrs hunter, if indeed it was me that you saved) I'm not sure you're a baddie as of yet, but it's mighty suspicious that you would accuse me of being the vampire when I've already been cleared of that charge by chrmjenkins. Hmm...???

Welcome back King Mook Mook. I look forward to hearing any good news you might be able to bring us. Since you have been brought back so quickly the village is pretty much in the same position we were in before. Would you care to consider the middle ground stance I mentioned before:

If a player, like KMM, wanted to preserve his/her integrity yet, as chrmjenkins has a certain natural slant, then he/she could take a middle ground stance towards infection.

For example, "I'm a good guy and will not succumb to the evil that has been forced upon me, but out of respect for the other players I will not reveal the identity of the wolves. Thus, I propose that if I am infected I will reveal such so that I can be lynched for the purpose of saving the village." If KMM or any seer in a future game took this stance then it might help the villagers in deciding if it was worth the risk of keeping the outed seer around. Naturally, this stance would also make the seer more of a target for the wolfpack to kill.

Regardless of whether you like this idea or not, I hope we keep you around at least another night. At this point I'd suggest a proper scanning of appleguy123.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Well, now that KMM is back, I suppose that we should wait until he has a chance to reveal who he scanned last.

I'll put my vote for Jav on hold.

No scan he was dead during the night. So he can not tell us anything for today.

If I were a ww I would have infected him as soon as the post was made. I agree, not smart. The seer isn't only valuable on the villagers side, but on the ww side, and assuming infection hasn't been used yet, you just handed the wws a very powerful tool. At the very very least you've wasted a round of voting because we will need to lynch him again.

the infection has mulitple uses. I would figure after last game the wolves know we are not going to trust the seer and might want to go for a kill on it.

As for my vote I am for appleguy123 Reason for it is he is not playing the same as last game and wants to go after some of the better stratigy people.

 

[184550]

No scan he was dead during the night. So he can not tell us anything

Ah, yes. My mistake. For some reason I forgot that he had been lynched and not eaten. Probably because that round went by so fast.

Posted from my iPhone.

 

[King Mook Mook]

YAY! I'm back!

Well, I don't know if that was the wisest move (to kill me and then resurrect me) but you won't see my alive self complaining!

And sorry about that previous message, I've gotta say that was quite bitchy of me (and I watch Gossip Girl, I know what bitchy is! ) I hope I didn't insult anyone, just a bit of a shock to come home from school and find myself dead without any real chance. So, sorry if I offended you!

I did scan the night I was killed and can confirm that Abjink is a villager, which is nice for them (and us).

Also, other good news, I haven't been infected, at least, yet, which is nice! So, still just a villager. However, I do suspect that I might be infected sooner rather then later, so we'll see about that. And you know what?

I've been thinking some more about ethics and whatnot (I've been doing Philosophy at school, interesting stuff), and I think that if I am infected it would be totally in the scope of ethics to tell you guys who the werewolves are: we are the good guys after-all. If I am turned, it would be against my will. I can understand the ethical implications if one who was a werewolf originally wanted to betray them and tell the villagers who they are, which would be definitely against the spirit of the game. However, if the werewolves choose to infect me they take the risk: it was, and is, against my will, and they should have to deal with the consequences.

Therefore, I offer to the village what is, in my estimation, fair: if I am turned to be a werewolf, I will give you all the names of the other werewolves. So werewolves, you're choice, make the gamble if you so choose, but I tell you now, I will have no choice but to give the rest of the village your names.

That's my offer to you werewolves: you can take the gamble and infect me, but it comes at the risk that I will tell the rest of the village your names.

King Mook Mook

 

[jav6454]

However is the Sorcerer, big mistake, newb mistake I dare say. Great job, the wolves must be pretty proud of you.

 

[lbro]

The thing is, he was a villager, so his expertise could sure help us. Now, where is that Sorcerer when you need him?

However is the Sorcerer, big mistake, newb mistake I dare say. Great job, the wolves must be pretty proud of you.

Ummm... weren't you the one to suggest we resurrect KMM?

After reading KMM's post, I have decided that he is infected. I vote for abijnk

 

[jav6454]

I'll be voting for Jav6454.

Most of this is based on a gut feeling, so take it or leave it.

However, I find it suspicious that he directed the Sorcerer not to bring back King Mook Mook, the seer if you believe him, and that he more recently asked the Sorcerer to revive Aggie, who we all know is pretty good at this game and has succeeded as a Wolf before.

Also, I don't understand his math at all, I'm horrible at math though, so maybe that's just me.

I was about to respond to you earlier, but had a mini emergency come up. Anyways your vote would have been wasted because I was/am advocating for the return of -aggie- a KNOWN villager (seeing as he was EATEN); hence not a wolf. Also, he is not the Goth or Vampire. Simply because ravenvii would have said something as soon as he died seeing how we lynched chrmjenkins; self-proclaimed Goth. If -aggie- would have been the Vamp, ravenvii would have done as he did when renewed was lynched last game, "the vampire threat is no more". If -aggie- would have been the Goth, same deal, ravenvii would have announced the vampire threat is no more because no more Goths remain in play; hence the vampire can't activate himself. From every perspective picking -aggie- would have been the BEST choice by FAR. His insight and line of thought are crucial for villager victory. No, you may think I am saying this because I am thought of as his "bud". But no, think deep down, you will all know this was the right choice.

KMM on the other hand only promised on paper he will turn on the wolves; I can't trust that 100%, ever. Not after his post were he would honor the wolves' identities. More over, say he isn't infected, then he is vulnerable after the second night of being alive and we all know the wolves will rapidly dispose of him to prevent being revealed [assuming the Hunter protects him for the 1st night after revival]. All we gain is one more revelation, hardly anything useful given the odds. KMM, although a power special, was not the logical choice. It was the choice of the moment perhaps and thus not the best one in the long run. Sorry KMM, if I seem to come down hard. But after loosing the Simple game, I am not ready or even thinking of loosing this one. No hard feelings please.

Does the answer suit you NathanMuir?

Ummm... weren't you the one to suggest we resurrect KMM?

After reading KMM's post, I have decided that he is infected. I vote for abijnk

Not at all. Hence why NathanMuir voted against me initially.




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Also, who ever is the sorcerer, reveal yourself now. This way we know who else is a villager. Your power has been used up, so there is no fear in the infection at this point.

 

[iBlue]

Two completely wasted moves. First a bunch of you get this paranoid idea to lynch our Seer, then our sorcerer used up a resurrection bringing him back? Man, try to wait a little and think things through.

The failed attack is great news though. (though I don't know if it means a hunter correctly protected someone or if the wolves went after the hunter and failed or if a wolf and a vamp clashed.)

Glad to hear you will reveal the wolves in the event of an infection, Mook. Hopefully it's enough to dissuade them, from infection at least. Though now the hunter is going to have to protect you while everyone else is fair game.

I would think resurrecting -aggie- wouldn't have been a good choice. He may be a great wolf (mostly because he has been underestimated... until now) but he's not the most perceptive of players and as such wouldn't be that much use... and definitely not more than say A HUNTER would have been.


Aaaanyway, welcome back, Mook. I wish you hadn't gone in the first place.

 

[King Mook Mook]

KMM on the other hand only promised on paper he will turn on the wolves; I can't trust that 100%, ever. Not after his post were he would honor the wolves' identities. More over, say he isn't infected, then he is vulnerable after the second night of being alive and we all know the wolves will rapidly dispose of him to prevent being revealed [assuming the Hunter protects him for the 1st night after revival]. All we gain is one more revelation, hardly anything useful given the odds. KMM, although a power special, was not the logical choice. It was the choice of the moment perhaps and thus not the best one in the long run. Sorry KMM, if I seem to come down hard. But after loosing the Simple game, I am not ready or even thinking of loosing this one. No hard feelings please.

No hard feelings whatsoever mate! I understand, if someone made me an offer such as the one I've made to you peeps, I'd be cautious too! Well look, I'm not infected right now, so I can't give you who the werewolves are and that post has given the werewolves the option: they can either infect me and kill themselves, or they can not infect me, and I'll scan them and kill them. Obviously the former option will ensure their deaths, while the latter will not, but their choice!

Also, who ever is the sorcerer, reveal yourself now. This way we know who else is a villager. Your power has been used up, so there is no fear in the infection at this point.

Agreed, please do this: I don't want to have to scan someone and find out that they were the sorcerer. There is no hard feelings towards you (well from me, the resurrected, at least ), it will just make life a lot easier for you, me and the entire village!

Aaaanyway, welcome back, Mook. I wish you hadn't gone in the first place.

[heart melts]
Too bad my heart was born two sizes too small!

King Mook Mook

 

[lbro]

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Sorcerer please don't reveal yourself. Doing so would not benefit the villagers at all. You would become a prime candidate for infection because people will trust you and could then mislead the villagers.

 

[iBlue]

Sorcerer please don't reveal yourself. Doing so would not benefit the villagers at all. You would become a prime candidate for infection because people will trust you and could then mislead the villagers.

Maybe, maybe not. The problem with defaulting to pessimism and paranoia is that it probably plays to the wolves' benefit. Divide and conquer! I think to get anywhere the village may just have to take the risk that ONE person could be infected and subsequently misleading. Though maybe that shouldn't be assumed automatically either. Some people do play with some degree of ethics. Maybe I'm naive but I often wish the villagers could put their heads together better. In absence of powers you only have your collective minds and there's some safety in numbers.

 

[Don't panic]

first of all, welcome back KMM.
not sure i trust you, but hey, if you are infected it means no one else can be.

infection tends to be most valuable at the end of the game, which is why i don't think the wolves would have used it right away, especially considering there will be a faction pushing for an immediate re-lynching (not without reasons).

also there was a relatively short time between your resurrection and your post clearing abjnk, so i'll take it as a mostly believable move. (plus abjnk was suggesting not to believe you, which ironically strenghten your claim -unless of course this is another machiavellian move by abjnk, who pulled a queen's sacrifice with jav two games ago, IIRC-

As far as the promise to become a traitor when/if infected, it is worth as much as the paper it is written on ().
you could be
a) protecting yourself now, if you are a wolf;
b) protecting yourself in perspective but never plan on becoming a traitor to the wolves;
c) be honest now AND decide to be honest later and play as a wolf once/if infected;
d) be honest now and 'dishonest' later and betray the wolves at infection, against your (new) role.
Problem is, we have no way of knowing which way you are going.
[also please note that by 'honest' i mean simply following the assigned role and its changes. not that one choice is necessarily more ethical than others or has any bearing on the player outside the part played].

there is one realm when your word would be trusted without caveats: if you identify the vamp and the goth, as both ww and villagers are invested to rid of them (which also makes KMM a prime vamp target: how is it to live on the edge, KMM? ).

and jav, bringing back aggie would have been equally risky, as he would have become a very valuable target for the wolves to infect, especially in the end game (exactly for the reasons you mention)

one final thought: if the attack failed because a vamp was attacked, that vamp has no immunity from the wolves anymore. Reverse is true as well, so not necessarily the vamps are not active yet (although we probably would have seen evidence of such a clash in the narration).

 

[Melrose]

While I'm glad to have an otherwise innocent person back, resurrecting him once he was lynched was stupid... no offense, whoever you are.

He can still be infected. Ergo, we are back in the same square we were yesterday, albeit now - enter the possibility Teh King can be infected - we're one lynching behind the wolves. That's what we call a grand strategic blunder.

That said, I doubt he will be infected, since no one is going to take him seriously at all (another dumb reason to bring him back). The only time a resurrection does any good is if it brings back someone who is still valuable and immune.. eg, the Hunter.