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Hell with this. Lynched me just because we didn't advance in the day... BOOO FREAKIDY HOOO!!!! This lynching was really smart...

Toughen up!!! That's the point of this complex game! Not to move one and debate. Great job on taking out a special.

Also, I'd like to point out the I still mis trust ucfgrad93, but I can no longer give reasons why, but everyone can infer them (hopefully). I'm off to see if I can make something of the MRville LIVE! Game.
 
Would anyone mind explaining why so much faith is going into KMMs vote? I went back and look and no where does it he say that he scanned Rodimus Prime and thus has reason to suspect RP.

I'm just curious if I missed something huge...
 
**South Park Stan voice** Holy crap, they killed mscriv.

I'm with Don't panic on this. I think we've lost our WW hunter. The night before the werewolves didn't kill anyone, so it seems very suspicious that mscriv is killed the following night. Although he could've been the vampire which leads me onto the following.

We haven't seen any vampire activity yet. We know that chrmjenkins was a Goth (well if we believe him) and we haven't seen any deaths by vampire feasting yet, so we have to assume that the vampire and the second Goth are still out there somewhere. Either that or they are active and abijnk has been very lucky with her protecting.
 
Would anyone mind explaining why so much faith is going into KMMs vote? I went back and look and no where does it he say that he scanned Rodimus Prime and thus has reason to suspect RP.

I'm just curious if I missed something huge...

No, he is only suspected because he voted before the seer revealed the result.
It's not particularily compelling, but I don't have any better logic by which to go, so Rodimus Prime.
 
Votes so far:

Rodimus Prime: 6 (Willbro, King Mook Mook, Melrose, Mexbearpig, ucfgrad93, appleguy123)
Willbro: 1 (NathanMuir)
Abijnk: 1 (Don’t panic)
Stonyc: 1 (Rodimus Prime)

Majority is 8

Left to vote:
Philbeeney
Abijnk
iBlue
Renewed
stonyc
 
No, he is only suspected because he voted before the seer revealed the result.
It's not particularily compelling, but I don't have any better logic by which to go, so Rodimus Prime.

For the record, I voted before KMM had revealed his info too.

I still don't understand why RP is suddenly such a popular person.

I bet we've got a wolf vote in there somewhere.
 
For the record, I voted before KMM had revealed his info too.

I still don't understand why RP is suddenly such a popular person.

I bet we've got a wolf vote in there somewhere.

I think the problem is that the last lynching took forever to decide and everybody just wants to get the game over and done with. Sound arguments, reasoning and logic are going out the window and mob mentality is creeping back in which plays straight in to the werewolves hands.
 
**South Park Stan voice** Holy crap, they killed mscriv.

I'm with Don't panic on this. I think we've lost our WW hunter. The night before the werewolves didn't kill anyone, so it seems very suspicious that mscriv is killed the following night. Although he could've been the vampire which leads me onto the following.

We haven't seen any vampire activity yet. We know that chrmjenkins was a Goth (well if we believe him) and we haven't seen any deaths by vampire feasting yet, so we have to assume that the vampire and the second Goth are still out there somewhere. Either that or they are active and abijnk has been very lucky with her protecting.

Care to give us a vote, oh great conspiracy theorist?
 
We haven't seen any vampire activity yet. We know that chrmjenkins was a Goth (well if we believe him) and we haven't seen any deaths by vampire feasting yet, so we have to assume that the vampire and the second Goth are still out there somewhere. Either that or they are active and abijnk has been very lucky with her protecting.

No, I haven't had to protect anyone yet.
 
Care to give us a vote, oh great conspiracy theorist?

To be fair, I also voted for KMM before he could reveal his scan.

Sorry about being absent for awhile... the votes didn't seem to be moving and I ended up going to the Michigan game again yesterday (*BARF*).

Jav6454 just didn't strike me as a baddie, and I am sorry that I was proven right.

I don't fully believe that not posting or keeping a low profile should necessarily imply suspicion... but added to other pieces of evidence, better.

As for mscriv not voting, I also don't see that as immediately being suspicious... as long as he is active, posting and developing opinions, he is being useful. He has also said in past games that he won't vote just for the sake of voting, or something along those lines, so I don't see his not voting this game as that significant a departure from past behavior.

stonyc as it seems strange (to me anyway) that he says this in the last post before mscriv dies. Coincidental, no?
 
No, I haven't had to protect anyone yet.

do you still protect someone just in case the vamp are activated the night before or you think we'd be notified when activation occurs?
reminds me of the main character of "the desert of the tartars" (or something like that) who spends his life defending the border from an enemy that never materializes to the point that the very existance of this 'enemy' is in doubt. I won' t spoil the end but it is great novel. highly recommend it.

as far as mscriv, it is reasonable to believe he was attacked two nights ago and the attack failed because either he was the wwhunter or the hunter protected him. if he got attacked again he would be toast in both cases.
i am afraid that the hunter option is correct because of ravevii's narrative.

wolfies are playing smart.


EDIT: i am not getting the rationale of the Rodimus vote (other than to get the game rolling, which honestly I can't blame).
voting before KMM declared his scan is a bit weak, as we already knew he had scanned a villager (and he is not 100% reliable anyway). on this point, ravenvii can you give the official take on special "talking" during the night phase? can thet release info as soon as they know or should thay wait for the morning narrative? and if they must wait, does it apply to everyone (including non-specials?
thanks,
don' t panic

EDIT 2:philbeeney: yes, stonyc's post does seem just coincidental to me (and mscriv wsa probablw already dead when he posted that
 
voting before KMM declared his scan is a bit weak, as we already knew he had scanned a villager (and he is not 100% reliable anyway). on this point, ravenvii can you give the official take on special "talking" during the night phase? can thet release info as soon as they know or should thay wait for the morning narrative? and if they must wait, does it apply to everyone (including non-specials?
thanks,
don' t panic

I would argue that the specials should not give away information like that as it only helps the vampires and werewolves. E.g. If they have a choice of two villagers to kill and they suspect one is a special, if kmm scans the other villager and announces that he is a plain ol' villager, then the baddies have an advantage. Hence this whole palava of outing yourself as a special is a silly thing to do.
 
I would argue that the specials should not give away information like that as it only helps the vampires and werewolves. E.g. If they have a choice of two villagers to kill and they suspect one is a special, if kmm scans the other villager and announces that he is a plain ol' villager, then the baddies have an advantage. Hence this whole palava of outing yourself as a special is a silly thing to do.

this i completely agree with.

it was more a timing question: can he declare the result of the scan as soon as he is notified it, or should he wait till the narrative morning comes? tp some extent it's obvious he should wait, but since other people can freely 'talk' during the game "night", why shouldn't the seer? (unless of course te result are notified at the last moment by ravenvii, just before morning announcements, in which case the whole point is moot).

whether or not he should declare 'what' he sees, is a different story. in general i think the seer should only mention the nature of the scanned (villager vamp goth wolf) unless the game dynamics require more (for example to valideate/disprove someone's word.

but if the result of the scan is a wolf, and the seer is allowed to talk at night, he should say it right away, as he might not be alive in the morning
 
this i completely agree with.

it was more a timing question: can he declare the result of the scan as soon as he is notified it, or should he wait till the narrative morning comes? tp some extent it's obvious he should wait, but since other people can freely 'talk' during the game "night", why shouldn't the seer? (unless of course te result are notified at the last moment by ravenvii, just before morning announcements, in which case the whole point is moot).

whether or not he should declare 'what' he sees, is a different story. in general i think the seer should only mention the nature of the scanned (villager vamp goth wolf) unless the game dynamics require more (for example to valideate/disprove someone's word.

but if the result of the scan is a wolf, and the seer is allowed to talk at night, he should say it right away, as he might not be alive in the morning
I don't think that the seer or anyone else should be allowed to talk at night, as they should be sleeping.
I think that there should be allowed one post during the night to discuss the lynching, and then people are "asleep"
 
I don't think that the seer or anyone else should be allowed to talk at night, as they should be sleeping.
I think that there should be allowed one post during the night to discuss the lynching, and then people are "asleep"

i would agree in principle, but the game is already slow by nature, and would further suffer from a prolonged 'blackout'.
i think in practice chatting and strategizing during the night is fine and keeps the game 'alive'.
 
I don't think that the seer or anyone else should be allowed to talk at night, as they should be sleeping.
I think that there should be allowed one post during the night to discuss the lynching, and then people are "asleep"

I disagree. The specials can talk as normal villagers during the game "night". It's releasing the information they were given before a killing that is bang out of order. As per ravenvii's rules, the following happens in a specific order.

Seer and Undertaker scans;
Hunters protect;
Vampire/Goth scans (or attacks);
Werewolves attacks.

The flip side to my earlier post where the villagers were disadvantaged would be the following scenario (assuming Seer has outed him or her self to the villagers) where the werwolves would be disadvantaged.

Seer scans a werewolf just after the lynching and gets informed that he has scanned a werewolf. The Seer then tells everyone who the werewolf is and then the villagers lynch the werewolf next turn. If the werewolf had sent in a PM to ravenvii asking to kill the Seer, then the Seer's scan would have been in vain and everybody would be wondering who the Seer scanned.

I'm not sure exactly how the PM system works timing wise, but I guess there is an honour system whereby the players should keep quiet about their information until ravenvii posts the killing. Should a special blurt out their info before that time, then the game should be abandoned as this has nothing to with ethics but can change the course of the game.
 
I disagree. The specials can talk as normal villagers during the game "night". It's releasing the information they were given before a killing that is bang out of order. As per ravenvii's rules, the following happens in a specific order.

Seer and Undertaker scans;
Hunters protect;
Vampire/Goth scans (or attacks);
Werewolves attacks.

The flip side to my earlier post where the villagers were disadvantaged would be the following scenario (assuming Seer has outed him or her self to the villagers) where the werwolves would be disadvantaged.

Seer scans a werewolf just after the lynching and gets informed that he has scanned a werewolf. The Seer then tells everyone who the werewolf is and then the villagers lynch the werewolf next turn. If the werewolf had sent in a PM to ravenvii asking to kill the Seer, then the Seer's scan would have been in vain and everybody would be wondering who the Seer scanned.

I'm not sure exactly how the PM system works timing wise, but I guess there is an honour system whereby the players should keep quiet about their information until ravenvii posts the killing. Should a special blurt out their info before that time, then the game should be abandoned as this has nothing to with ethics but can change the course of the game.

again, i subscribe to this view.
but it should be noted however that the game master can easily make this 'temperproof' by sending out the Pms with the results of the scans immediately before the morning narration.
If he doesn't, it could be that he thinks this is implicit or on the other hand that it's up to every player to make their own decision on the matter with no differences in ethical value among them.

oh, and to preempt those who are going to complain about the continuos banter about rules and ethics and such: post about game stuff, and we'll talk about that instead :D
(no guaratee my posts will be less boring, though ;))
 
@Don't Panic: Per my instructions from ravenvii, I will be notified when the vampires are activate and then protect from that night onward. I also take this to mean the the vampires cannot kill the night they are activated.

I am going to vote for stonyc because of the reasons I gave earlier. I'm also still working on finding someone to use the insta-kill on before I get taken out.
 
@Don't Panic: Per my instructions from ravenvii, I will be notified when the vampires are activate and then protect from that night onward. I also take this to mean the the vampires cannot kill the night they are activated.

I am going to vote for stonyc because of the reasons I gave earlier. I'm also still working on finding someone to use the insta-kill on before I get taken out.

abbie,
thanks. i thought you'd go blind and pick someone 'just in case'.
that's actually quite a bit of info you get.
at least we know for sure that they are not active yet now.
 
Have I missed any one?

Rodimus Prime: 5 (Willbro, King Mook Mook, Melrose, ucfgrad93, appleguy123)
Willbro: 1 (NathanMuir)
Abijnk: 1 (Don’t panic)
Stonyc: 4 (Rodimus Prime, Mexbearpig,Philbeeney, Abijnk)

Majority is 8

Left to vote:

iBlue
Renewed
stonyc
 
abbie,
thanks. i thought you'd go blind and pick someone 'just in case'.
that's actually quite a bit of info you get.
at least we know for sure that they are not active yet now.

Yes, and in a past game where the vampires activated ravenvii made it very clear in the narration.
 
Sorry for the long post, weekend catch up.

Oh man! Fear killing much? That is really brutal! :( RIP, mscriv. Please help yourself to some baked goods in the zombie lair.

Would anyone mind explaining why so much faith is going into KMMs vote? I went back and look and no where does it he say that he scanned Rodimus Prime and thus has reason to suspect RP.

I'm just curious if I missed something huge...

There are only so many people a seer can scan. When your scan hits a villager you have to take a guess, just like everyone else.
And I wouldn't say "faith" but I think constantly distrusting everyone may not always be the best strategy. King Mook Mook put a huge target on his back revealing himself so early but because it's SO obvious I would have though the wolves wouldn't infect him... at least not yet. He's probably been protected by the WW hunter up until this point. Now my trust in his word will steadily decrease. Especially as I think we lost our hunter by that recent narrative. :(

I think automatically suspecting the Seer after they reveal themselves is a bad move for the village. That Seer is sometimes the best chance the village has. As I've said, maybe I'm biased for having been a Seer that died trying to help out the village but I consider the role to be a stronger positive than a negative.

If I am ever the seer again and if I've revealed myself and subsequently became infected, I'd like it to be clearly known that I would not help the wolves but I probably wouldn't name them either. (so really, wolves, it would be a wasted infection.) I'd simply tell the village that I've been infected and let them lynch me. It may sound silly but I think the Seer is a special special role and I don't think it should be defiled and abused. That is precisely what a baddie would want, for us to distrust our best chance, and I urge the rest of you to look at it in a similar way and perhaps agree the same thing.

it was more a timing question: can he declare the result of the scan as soon as he is notified it, or should he wait till the narrative morning comes? tp some extent it's obvious he should wait, but since other people can freely 'talk' during the game "night", why shouldn't the seer? (unless of course te result are notified at the last moment by ravenvii, just before morning announcements, in which case the whole point is moot).

...

(OK, more "When I was a Seer" talk...)

In a previous simple game my last scan was on a wolf and that same wolf had sent a PM to kill me. I was told of this result before my official death post but I was instructed NOT to reveal my result. It was torture! So I don't think KMM can post his scan results if he's also been killed on that same night. (unless ravenvii handles his games differently than chrjenkins does.)

I don't think that the seer or anyone else should be allowed to talk at night, as they should be sleeping.
I think that there should be allowed one post during the night to discuss the lynching, and then people are "asleep"

I disagree. This is a forum game and people can and should be able to speak when they like. (with the exception of being dead or as my post above states.)




For now I am going to trust what KMM has said and not vote for willbro or abijnk, who is probably the last shot the village has. Rodimus Prime gives me an uneasy feeling though so that is where I'll place my vote.
 
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