Been a rough weekend....
I'm going to go back through everything and try to help figure this intell thing out.
I'm going to go back through everything and try to help figure this intell thing out.
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[WW] Knee-Deep in the Dead - WOOF WOOF WEREWOLVES WIN
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i don't think the oracle were necessarily not in play. just that they are not villagers now.
for the necromancer, we already have had 4 dead, with a wide range of different types of players, and while it could be very useful to wait, for example to bring back the seer or the guard or some other high-value villagers, the risk is that while they wait, the necromancer could be killed, infected, or lynched.
The lynching' should not be necessarily an issue (since the necromancer in principle could bring someone back just before going to the gallows), but -as we saw with koodauw- surprises can still be sprung (not to mention 'regular' late vote swtiches, when the necro might not be on line).
as with the oracle, the benefit of waiting for more effective use, is counterbalanced by the cost/increased risk of premature death.
besides, the oracle and the necromancer are really the two one-off powers which cannot really backfire (maybe you could use them better, but you really cannot used them 'wrong'), as opposed as -for example- the hunter (point to various instances were the seer was instakilled)
Well, I do recall a one time Guard (your humble scribe) who, all unwittingly, once actually protected the Alpha……..
Hm. Interesting thoughts on the Oracle. You could well be right.
Re the Necromancer, given that we have so many still around, it is a position I'd still recommend waiting perhaps another day before using it; I know it is a balancing act, but - it is a power, that if used at the right time with care - can be extraordinarily useful.
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Ok, I'll still vote Intell.
I do think tho that the information gatherer villager should not wait more that day 4 to give informations tho... Like the spy...
I do think tho that the information gatherer villager should not wait more that day 4 to give informations tho... Like the spy...
I like Monday morning deadlines 
. As much as I like playing, can we set the schedule to have the rest of the weekends off ?
Not much to go on yet as far as voting record or nightly kills.
Day 1: SS and Intell votes looked like defensive votes.
Night 1: Chrmjenkin's kill looks like either a random kill or the WWs were targeting a vet that would probably not be protected.
Day2: No obvious defensive votes unless Intell is a WW. I still think the soothing power was used (vote count) but nobody will admit to it.
Night2: Looking through WoodNUFC's limited post, he did ask when the oracle's power should be used. It was either a random kill or the WWs thought that he might be the oracle (indicates that the WW do not have the oracle power).
I was hoping to hear more from Intell and see more voting when I came home tonight. No-vote for now.
Scepticalscribe,
Reading though the early post, you indicated that both "Don't Panic" and Tomorrow were essentially cleared. Without revealing anything, do you still consider either one or both essentially cleared ?
. As much as I like playing, can we set the schedule to have the rest of the weekends off ?Not much to go on yet as far as voting record or nightly kills.
Day 1: SS and Intell votes looked like defensive votes.
Night 1: Chrmjenkin's kill looks like either a random kill or the WWs were targeting a vet that would probably not be protected.
Day2: No obvious defensive votes unless Intell is a WW. I still think the soothing power was used (vote count) but nobody will admit to it.
Night2: Looking through WoodNUFC's limited post, he did ask when the oracle's power should be used. It was either a random kill or the WWs thought that he might be the oracle (indicates that the WW do not have the oracle power).
I was hoping to hear more from Intell and see more voting when I came home tonight
. No-vote for now.Scepticalscribe,
Reading though the early post, you indicated that both "Don't Panic" and Tomorrow were essentially cleared. Without revealing anything, do you still consider either one or both essentially cleared ?
If the soother was used on Intell by someone other than Intell, hard to see how he isn't a wolf.
Or am I oversimplifying things?
Or am I oversimplifying things?
He could have been NW or part of a morpher pair, but be excluded that too
As is, it doesn't look too good for him
My thoughts exactly; I hate to bandwagon, though, and it would be nice to have an explanation from QoS before 10 tomorrow. I may switch but for now I'm holding off. Not like one vote means anything.
It's so quiet. damn why does everyone have to have a real life...
@Don't panic... Canada wasn't as good as last year.
My thoughts exactly; I hate to bandwagon, though, and it would be nice to have an explanation from QoS before 10 tomorrow. I may switch but for now I'm holding off. Not like one vote means anything.
It's so quiet. damn why does everyone have to have a real life...
@Don't panic... Canada wasn't as good as last year.
On the other hand, if Intell is a wolf and the soother is the other wolf, couldn't Intell lie and just say he used the power to save himself? It's not like the other wolf would call him out on the lie?
I've suspected Plutonius and a couple of others for a couple of rounds now, based mostly on voting and not a whole lot else. My suspicion has weakened as the game has progressed.
In no particular order I was thinking Plutonius, Melrose, and TechGod.
Yes, but there is also tbe bluff
I had discussed multiple scenario some posts back (#472, #481, #493)
Based on what he said (that he is not the sooother himself or involved in a NW/morpher pair) , the scenarios that make him innocent and make the most sense are:
- good soother protected him or thought koodauw was bad. But why not come out?
- wolves saved him to send us off scent. They might gain one day, but they would lose one very valuable weapon that might have won them the game
- soothing was directed at a person who THEN changed to intell. there are only 3 of those: my self and QoS who were voting for Rick, or kooaduw who was voting for SS).
- any other?
scenarios that make him wolf:
- soother is wolf and intel botched the defense (kind of unlikely)
- it's the bluff, not the soother the power used
- any other?
i'll temporarely switch to Intell.
it's not that the case against him is terribly strong, but at least one can be made, whil for others it is much weaker and based mostly on impressions.
That's a good point. I think that makes it more likely the bluff was used rather than soothing. In which case it makes it more likely Intell is a wolf and we also have a wolf amongst the people who voted for Intell. Although I don't understand the WoodNUFC kill in that case as it thins the suspects as the bluff would have to be one of Sythas, TechGod, Don't panic, Queen of Spades and Moyank24. Out of those Moyank pointed out Intell could have claimed to be Soother so maybe a little less suspicious (or maybe its a double bluff), and Sythas is voting for Intell again today.
Confusing. I think we need more Intel.
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i actually thought techgod too, just playing different, like he is being coached by a vet wolf.
i say lets see about intell, not a placeholder.
My thoughts exactly; I hate to bandwagon, though, and it would be nice to have an explanation from QoS before 10 tomorrow. I may switch but for now I'm holding off. Not like one vote means anything.
It's so quiet. damn why does everyone have to have a real life...
@Don't panic... Canada wasn't as good as last year.
yep, i keep hoping the two mercedes crash into each other (very sportmanlike, i know
), to make it inreresting, but rosberg is too cowed to even attempt a pass. so much for 'let them race'
I'm not going to go on the defensive here(no need to) but what makes you suspect me or the others on your list? Any reasons?
If intell does turn out to be a ww, and they manipulated votes to save him, it is also likely that the regular-voted to help him, at least to an extent
There are 3 ww, possibly more.
If one is intell, at least one of the others likely voted koodauw
If soother was involved, probably another one also voted koodauw (in that case they would be interested in pushing the bluff scenario)
If bluff was involved, than he/she must be among the people who voted intell (however, some ww would likely still be in the koodaum)
There are 3 ww, possibly more.
If one is intell, at least one of the others likely voted koodauw
If soother was involved, probably another one also voted koodauw (in that case they would be interested in pushing the bluff scenario)
If bluff was involved, than he/she must be among the people who voted intell (however, some ww would likely still be in the koodaum)
I know this may make me look evil and Harry* for not jumping on the obvious Intell, and I may beat my self later, but I'm still wondering why Moyank, and esp QoS are so much more 'background' this round than previous rounds. I have to vote with my gut and atm Intell just seems too easy. Plus I like his Muppet avatar. I don't like this lack of defense (like, no explanation whatsoever), but there it is.
You really take notes on these games? I never have.
*These are wolks, after all.
I use braincells. Probably why I'm no good at it.
You really take notes on these games? I never have.*These are wolks, after all.
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I know this may make me look evil and Harry* for not jumping on the obvious Intell, and I may beat my self later, but I'm still wondering why Moyank, and esp QoS are so much more 'background' this round than previous rounds. I have to vote with my gut and atm Intell just seems too easy. Plus I like his Muppet avatar. I don't like this lack of defense (like, no explanation whatsoever), but there it is.
I use braincells. Probably why I'm no good at it.
*These are wolks, after all.
Well, Melrose, it appears that the word 'wolk' has tickled your fancy every bit as much as it has done mine. And yes, I do take notes - hand-written ones, - basic ones - because sometimes, eyes glaze over on screens, and things get missed. It is nice to have a back-up copy on occasion.
I am curious as to why Intell has not chosen to come forward with some sort of explanation or - even - observation, or thoughts on what happened and why. Experiencing an entirely unexpected rescue from the very maws of death at the last minute might be the sort of thing that would serve to sharpen one's concentration.
Moreover, I am also a little curious as to why Moyank and QoS have a lower profile than might be considered usual, and yes, a few others merit scrutiny.
Plutonius: It is not so much that I considered both DP and Tomorrow completely cleared - although I do not suspect either of them at the moment, - it was more a plea not to vote either of them off on the first day, as both are too valuable when on the side of the village.
However, I strongly doubt their guilt.
While I am reluctant to join the Intell bandwagon, for now, and I'd far prefer that he come out and respond in some way to what is being said, I do believe that he may have questions to answer.
As of now, the votes are:
Plutonius: (1): Tomorrow
Queen of Spades: (1): Melrose
Moyank24: (1): TechGod
Intell: (4): Sythas, Don't Panic, Fenris Moonlight, Rick Snagwell,
No-vote: (1): Plutonius.
I am curious as to whether Intell was genuinely rescued, was rescued by mistake - or inadvertently - or whether he is being set up.
Place holder on Moyank, and we shall see what transpires next.
Half an hour to go and only half of the players voted.
Half of them aa placeholders.
I am half disappointed.
Half of them aa placeholders.
I am half disappointed.
How many individuals have not bothered to even register a vote, - or - at the very least - a no-vote, or put in some sort of brief appearance?
If my reading of time and deadlines is accurate, we have approximately half an hour to go before the deadline is due.
Beware of last minute extensions and collapses, though there is quite a margin between Intell and everyone else just now, so playing with time would not necessarily serve to benefit him this time around..
If my reading of time and deadlines is accurate, we have approximately half an hour to go before the deadline is due.
Beware of last minute extensions and collapses, though there is quite a margin between Intell and everyone else just now, so playing with time would not necessarily serve to benefit him this time around..
There are basically only like 4 or 5 active players out of the whole list... Then you have peeps like Tomorrow who say they're following the game, just not participating.
Pepperidge Farm Remembers when MRWW games were widely-attended community events and ran for 40 or more pages. :/
Low voting and participation really could be because of the weekend.
Definitely makes it hard to get a read on people, especially this early in the game. I was waiting to see how the rest of the votes shook out, but I guess I'll go with Intell.
Definitely makes it hard to get a read on people, especially this early in the game. I was waiting to see how the rest of the votes shook out, but I guess I'll go with Intell.
Well, even those who say that they are 'peeping' (rather than actively participating) are somewhat better than those who just go 'MIA'.
Besides, hard learned experience has taught me that those who tend to be MIA are often wolves (or 'wolks'). It is much easier to have people forget about you, if you are discreetly absent much of the time, and then fly - ever so discreetly - under the radar.
I would imagine that they are indeed individuals who are 'peeping' but whose private communications - on the other hand - are quite busy, perhaps even frenzied.
Well, it is getting to be about time we considered putting some pressure on the silent ones.