[WW] Knee-Deep in the Dead - WOOF WOOF WEREWOLVES WIN

[Don't panic]

Fenris provided a rationale for his behaviour (does not mean I believe him yet), while melrose seemed almost to 'concede'.
it's possible melrose is the kami, so it would makes sense he goes first.

the advantage of a ML i that it would prevent use of some powers if done fast enough, including possibly 'secret ones' (and we don't have to wait the entire weekend to know the answer )
the disadvantage is that we don't give everyone a chance to speak their mind, particularly melrose to offer a defense

my top candidates are still
Melrose-Fenris (i would be very surprised if neither of them is a wolf, and both could be), then rick/ravenvii, then comeagain and you. For now, I wouldn't vote tomorrow or sythas

 

[Don't panic]

if we get the kami today, sythas' protection would still work, so obviously do not disclose it

 

[Moyank24]

Because at least Fenris was direct about his role and yes this explain his rebutal against DP.

Melrose is acting exactly like the last game, wich he was a villager, but it's the only one who did not told us his role.

Understood. Melrose is always very hard to read because he does act the same every game. I'm fine going either way, but don't want to majority lock TOO quick, just in case he isn't.

One pro of lock is that if the wolves have any voting manipulation power, it can't be used, correct?

 

[rick snagwell]

don't panic

 

[Moyank24]

don't panic

Any reasoning behind this?

 

[Sythas]

Any reasoning behind this?

I think it's because we can't lynch him, so no villagers lost today, it's kind of brillant

 

[Sythas]

Understood. Melrose is always very hard to read because he does act the same every game. I'm fine going either way, but don't want to majority lock TOO quick, just in case he isn't.

One pro of lock is that if the wolves have any voting manipulation power, it can't be used, correct?

Comeagain, if a wolf will change our lynch order.

 

[Moyank24]

I think it's because we can't lynch him, so no villagers lost today, it's kind of brillant

I mean, either he's not reading the thread or he's a suicidal wolf!

 

[Sythas]

At this point, I'm not sure anything he has to say will change anything. Because no one else could back up his claim. He was present yesterday and I think he said everything he wanted to tell us. I could be wrong tho

 

[rick snagwell]

Any reasoning behind this?

he is still alive. last game same play, a wolf

 

[Comeagain?]

Who, me? I don't have much to add. I'm not particularly good at analysis and horribly out of practice.

 

[Don't panic]

Understood. Melrose is always very hard to read because he does act the same every game. I'm fine going either way, but don't want to majority lock TOO quick, just in case he isn't.

One pro of lock is that if the wolves have any voting manipulation power, it can't be used, correct?

they do not have them.
the soother power was used, Reverber was QoS and rioter was Koodauw. since scavenger was used as well, those powers are gone.
actually, the only one they could have is the bluff. if that the case at lest two WW lied about their role (the other being the soother>seer), and pluto was the infected wolf

melrose hinted to have control over time, which would imply stretcher or collapser. stretcher doesn't really help him, except it could eliminate ML if used publicly, collapser could help him if at some point someone else is in the lead, but only within the last 10 hours of the voting period. so if someone else is in the lead after 6 am sunday, he could close it down.
however, i am not sure at all he has either. he said that at the end, after i came out being die-hard, and picked an ambiguous power desciption which allows him wiggle room if the other time-power was claimed. also it could lead to underestimate his potential danger

 

[Sythas]

ok? so what?

moyank/techgod/dp infected ss. thats my theory.

he is still alive. last game same play, a wolf

If DP is a wolf, who's with him now ?

 

[Don't panic]

comeagain could substitute the lynchee, not affect voting. and his power still works with a ML.
however, he cannot save himself with that

 

[Sythas]

Who, me? I don't have much to add. I'm not particularly good at analysis and horribly out of practice.

ok, anyone you want to vote for today ?

 

[Comeagain?]

I'm all for the Melrose/Fenris idea. But I don't know which one is more important to go first.

 

[Moyank24]

he is still alive. last game same play, a wolf

You may have missed it, but he can survive a lynching, so it's a wasted vote. Unless you don't want to catch a wolf today.

And thanks @Don't panic and @Sythas for the explanations.

 

[Don't panic]

in terms of 'danger', if fenris is a Ww he can be dangerous, if he does have the blocking power, since he could use it to do some damage (blocking guard, thug, die-hard, executioner and whatever melrose have, if they are villagers) if he is a villager, he could be of help by the same criteria, only applied to Ww.
plus his analysis/rethorical abilities can also be equally useful or dangerous

melrose main danger stems mainly from the unknown power, i am particularly fearing he could be the necromancer

 

[twietee]

wait, dp! did you just complain about the deadline being too long? while before folks complained they would prefer the weekend being skipped altogether?

i swear, kids these days...

 

[Don't panic]

he is still alive. last game same play, a wolf

so you think tomorrow is a wolf? or that i am infected? wouldn't it more reasonable to go after alpha/kami first?

do you disagree with the point that alpha/kami are most likely among: melrose, fenris, you and comeagain? why?

do you not have any issue with melrose and fenris waiting to come out until their role could not be disproven? why?

 

[Don't panic]

wait, dp! did you just complain about the deadline being too long? while before folks complained they would prefer the weekend being skipped altogether?

i swear, kids these days...

nope i didn't.
but if we did ML now, i would think we would know know our answer today, and use the weekend for the next day/night

 

[Don't panic]

plus I have two birthdays to run/plan this weekend: sewing, stitching, wood carving, painting, baking, decorating
busy busy busy

 

[Don't panic]

ok, i'll go with melrose for now, but fenris is a good option too


first tally

melrose: 3 (tomorrow, sythas, dontpanic)
fenris: 2 (moyank, comagain)
donpanic: 1 (rick)

yet to vote: ravenvii, melrose, fenris

 

[FenrisMoonlight]

Lets think about what we're doing.

They took out the undertaker last night - why was the Undertaker a better target than Sythas? With Sythas gone they would have know no guarding can take place (unless of course Sythas was infected and they know that anyway). @Sythas I don't buy the random protect thing but that's fine - its only useful for you to reveal who you guarded if a kill was prevented. Although I had expected TechGod to be guarded (as being the most useful to us to help catch a lie) as I'd assumed you'd guard yourself self on alternate nights so you couldn't guard yourself last night.

Taking out Sythas is the most useful take out the wolves can do at this point, the second most useful being DP if not infected. Taking out the undertaker is only more useful than taking out those if someone got away with lying about a role - and they don't want to risk an Undertaker scan of one of those previously killed possibly blowing that.

I was toying with the idea of the Undertaker being infected - as that could give them many roles to hide behind - but that's obviously not the case now.

IMO the best explanation for taking out the Undertaker is 1 or more wolves got away with claiming a role they didn't have and they wanted to ensure that they'd didn't get caught out.

 

[Moyank24]

@rick snagwell

Dude you have to change your vote. It's a complete waste!