[WW] Mistings Wars. INSURGENCY WINS

[twietee]

As much as I love Tomorrow, I wasn't lamenting the loss as much as I was questioning the choice to kill him. Whenever I'm a baddie I tend to let the guys who have some suspicion against them stick around for as long as possible.

Killing Pluto would also confirm that the Alpha is most likely dead. At this point, it looks like there's a camp who thinks he's lying about the whole thing.

Well, tears obviously were an exaggeration.
But let it be known that I'd think you the person having fun killing your beloved friend while openly lamenting his demise.
I know I would..

I've played with aggie only once, and last time he stuck me as quite active and talkative. Now all he does is a Pluto-mimic. So that's making me a bit curious.

 

[Plutonius]

Who is 'we' and why are you yelling at me?
But let's have look at the rules together then:



In #294 Don't Panic stated that Southern Dad was killed at night = successful kill. We can't know who was protected that night. In #296 You outed yourself as the Undertaker and revealed iTouch as the alpha. Please explain to me how you couldn't have been infected before when iTouch actually wasn't the alpha but only the regular WW with you making things up?

And maybe you missed the part that I was neither voting for you nor promoted doing so.

I stand corrected after re-reading the infection ability . I had read it as a successful night attack infects the person (instead of a successful night attack kills the person and infects another). I was assuming that no visible kill at night was the necessary condition for an infection.

That being said, I can not be infected because the night kill was after I announced the alpha WW was killed.

Either
1) I lied that I was the undertaker and that the WW killed was the alpha (in which case I was a WW from the start).
2) I am the undertaker and the alpha WW is dead.

 

[Moyank24]

so you think we should go ahead and do that?

I suck at percentages, but it seems highly unlikely.

He would have to be either lying about being the undertaker or coincidentally he would have to have been infected the first night (if I'm reading the rules correctly).

Or, is it possible to be the undertaker and a WW without being infected?

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My sadness is REAL!! And I will avenge your cold-blooded, needless execution!

 

[twietee]

That being said, I can not be infected because the night kill was after I announced the alpha WW was killed.

Did you read my post? Because I said otherwise. And please don't yell at me...

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I suck at percentages, but it seems highly unlikely.

He would have to be either lying about being the undertaker or coincidentally he would have to have been infected the first night (if I'm reading the rules correctly).

Or, is it possible to be the undertaker and a WW without being infected?

No, it's not possible.

My sadness is REAL!! And I will avenge your cold-blooded, needless execution!

There you have it!

 

[Plutonius]

Did you read my post? Because I said otherwise. And please don't yell at me...

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No, it's not possible.



There you have it!

I'll put a correction on my correction . It looks like I could have been infected the first night before I revealed my identity at the start of day 2.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Since people that didn't vote for or share touchy's vote on day 1 are voting for each other, I am intrigued and pleased. Will keep the WoodNUFC vote for now.

 

[twietee]

I'll put a correction on my correction . It looks like I could have been infected the first night before I revealed my identity at the start of day 2.

Good. Now that we have cleared that, I don't know if you just used me to bring you into this exact situation, but I seriously doubt vets play like this if they'd gotten infected. Bound to fail to misread the rules and brag about it that noisy

ravenvii

 

[Moyank24]

Why all the suspicion for raven again?

He was one of the early voters of Touch, and if we believe Pluto, he couldn't have been infected. Just that he missed a day and / or that he was setting the groundwork for defense in voting for the Alpha day 1?

 

[twietee]

What happened to our Queen.

She's our only 100% cleared player and we do lack her rationality! Not merci, compassion and forgiveness..well, maybe that too.

 

[Plutonius]

Why all the suspicion for raven again?

He was one of the early voters of Touch, and if we believe Pluto, he couldn't have been infected. Just that he missed a day and / or that he was setting the groundwork for defense in voting for the Alpha day 1?

Do you now agree with me on WoodNUFC (i.e. do you believe him ?) ?

I'm trying to put pressure on Ravenvii to start posting some analysis. He is a vet player who should be posting. It is impossible to pick out a WW if they don't post.

 

[Southern Dad]

What happened to our Queen.

She's our only 100% cleared player and we do lack her rationality! Not merci, compassion and forgiveness..well, maybe that too.

However her visions throw the loyal rebels in with the traitors.

 

[Moyank24]

Do you now agree with me on WoodNUFC (i.e. do you believe him ?) ?

I'm trying to put pressure on Ravenvii to start posting some analysis. He is a vet player who should be posting. It is impossible to pick out a WW if they don't post.

I don't believe anyone.

 

[Plutonius]

I don't believe anyone.

I'll phrase it another way. Is voting for him worth the risk or am I reading too much into it ?

 

[Don't panic]

Tally with about 4 hours left:



ravenvii; 3 (plutonius, aggie, twietee)
plutonius: 2 (ravenvii, techgod)
aggie: 2 (koodauw, ricksnagwell)
woodnUFC :2 (scepticalscribe, chrmjenkins)

no-vote: 1 (astroboy)

yet to vote: 5 (moyank, queenofspades, woodNUFC, Abijnk)

 

[Moyank24]

I'll phrase it another way. Is voting for him worth the risk or am I reading too much into it ?

Reading too much into his posts? I do see where he seems to be implying that he's helpful to all of us, but, of course that could just be his defense.

Between he and raven, though, I would say he's more likely.

I'd like to hear some from raven also, (and chrmjenkins as well), but not at the risk of a possible bandwagon.

If you want to change direction from Wood, my top 2 would be SS and Abijink.

 

[twietee]

Ravenvii voting very early second for Touch sure is remarkable (eventually in more than one way imo) although the unexpected intervention by the Oracle made it rather difficult to sway away again (albeit I did it and regret it) afterwards. His reaction today doesn't make me comfortable him as well.


But add chrmjenkins to that list of veteran players not offering much help too. I rate his vote for Touch 'higher' though.

 

[abijnk]

Okay, I'm going to cast my vote for WoodNUFC. I don't really have any awesome reasoning other than I'm not quite ready to call Pluto a liar.

Reading too much into his posts? I do see where he seems to be implying that he's helpful to all of us, but, of course that could just be his defense.

Between he and raven, though, I would say he's more likely.

I'd like to hear some from raven also, (and chrmjenkins as well), but not at the risk of a possible bandwagon.

If you want to change direction from Wood, my top 2 would be SS and Abijink.

As I stated earlier, if we assume everything that has been said thus far is truth, I am powerless. A vote for me would be a waste.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Not sure what else you guys want to hear. I voted for WoodNUFC yesterday and explained my vote. I didn't see any new evidence to dissuade me from perpetuating that vote again today.

 

[rick snagwell]

Reading too much into his posts? I do see where he seems to be implying that he's helpful to all of us, but, of course that could just be his defense.

Between he and raven, though, I would say he's more likely.

I'd like to hear some from raven also, (and chrmjenkins as well), but not at the risk of a possible bandwagon.

If you want to change direction from Wood, my top 2 would be SS and Abijink.

ill change my vote to woodnufc, then we will see more about SS play in this game. she has been the ww numerous times in the last couple games.

and since abi and chrm are voting for the same player, maybe they know something...or they are lone two ww!?

 

[twietee]

As I've said, I'm but a lonely barge pilot that smuggles weapons for mscriv. I'm loyal to the rebel cause. I protect my friends in their times of need.

people voting for woodnufc after this post? hope you know what you're doing and he's a liar.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

This is becoming more interesting (in an obscure intellectual sort of way) by the day. Subjectively, it is becoming slightly more bewildering……

I'll confess that the play-acting of Plutonius leaves me cold; you may view it - if you like - as an example of that famously subtle Terris sense of humour…..

I have read what WoodNUFC has posted, and I am truly grateful for the for the safe arrival of the vast treasure trove of rare and treasured library books, and for the risks that WoodNUFC clearly undertook in ensuring that these valuable and rare texts arrived safely to me…my grateful thanks for this….

However, the rest of what your wrote which seems to suggest that it ought to have been read as a manifest leaves me slightly at a loss. Indeed, it seems that I must consult my archives to discover what this activity that is described as 'baseball' actually is. For I have yet to encounter it. Is it a martial activity? An unknown form of combat? Records indicate that a contest of sorts occurred; perhaps a form of mutually agreed casualties were incurred during this peculiar form of battle, that it may have been a metaphor for more authentic combats which occurred elsewhere? Anything which can afford a degree of enlightenment is more than welcome, as some of these cultural expressions take a form which is, candidly, inexplicable to me.

And as to the items referred to as 'baseball hats' - I can only assume that these were intended as coverings for the head, perhaps related to, or connected with, the worship of some obscure, and, as yet undiscovered religious rites that I am - as yet - unaware of….notwithstanding the hundreds of belief systems preserved in my metal minds for posterity. Of corse, it is entirely possible that I have completely misunderstood the true nature of these cultural artefacts.

Nevertheless, re my recorded vote, while I regret (and I do) recording a vote for a brave and determined canal barge pilot, until I receive an explanation for the very strange outcome of the Elasticity of Time, my vote stands.

I will readily concede that there are others whose activities (or, more to the point, non-activities) strike me as meriting closer examination, and I am glad to see that my comrades and fellow Rebels are finally asking a few questions of a few individuals who seem to merit it.

For now, my vote stands; however, it is not written in stone (unlike some of the Lord Ruler's edicts).




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ill change my vote to woodnufc, then we will see more about SS play in this game. she has been the ww numerous times in the last couple games.

and since abi and chrm are voting for the same player, maybe they know something...or they are lone two ww!?

Er, only once, a mere once, in the past year (and not, as it happens, on this occasion)…….

And, this is something which I offer - slightly apologetically - as this is the second post in a few hours suggesting I be peered at - as a slight correction of mere fact. I would hate to get in the way of fantasy, imagination, creativity, and sheer speculative and opportunistic invention….Perish the thought, my dear children….

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people voting for woodnufc after this post? hope you know what you're doing and he's a liar.

No, I don't know "what I am doing". However, I remain unconvinced by whatever explanations were offered for the Elasticity of Time - Bending & Stretching - which benefitted WoodNUFC - some time ago.

I acknowledge his courage; however, the compression of time - abruptly initiated - is an action for which no explanation has been offered.

Mind you, it is possible that a different power - that of cancelling the previous Extension of Time - had also been deployed. I cannot say. However, I am somewhat intrigued by this, and would greatly welcome an explanation….

 

[Moyank24]

people voting for woodnufc after this post? hope you know what you're doing and he's a liar.

Maybe I'm just not reading as much into his posts as everyone else. We also can't assume that he's telling the truth. What do you think he's saying?

As I said before, if the choice is Wood or Raven, based on voting history alone, I'd have to vote for Wood - and it seems like that's what it's coming down to.

I'll also say that if Wood is chosen and he's clean, it's going to cast more doubt on me - but I do think we can get some more intel either way.

 

[WoodNUFC]

ravenvii

I don't know what to tell you all that I haven't said before. If you want to vote for a man loyal to the rebel cause, you may, but know that you are killing an innocent barge pilot. If I must be your outlet for rage, I will sacrifice myself for the cause. Should I die, take a hard look at the people arguing for my death.

Also, I left the barge docked nearby. I was in the middle of transporting some soiled undergarments for laundering. If you need to take the boat, just be aware that you may need to hold your breadth to clear the mess. It's pretty rank below deck.

I had nothing to do with the time issue at the conclusion of our last vote. I'm bad with time, and on some of my lesser missions I have been known to be a bit tardy. I'm actually developing a new system that I call the "Delivery Window." In this "Delivery Window" I will quote someone say 5-10 days for delivery of their goods. What I actually mean is 5-10 weekdays as I do not like to work on the weekends, unless it's for Mscriv and our cause. This new system is great, because I can be as slow as I want and still collect money for making my deliveries!

 

[twietee]

Maybe I'm just not reading as much into his posts as everyone else. We also can't assume that he's telling the truth. What do you think he's saying?

As I said before, if the choice is Wood or Raven, based on voting history alone, I'd have to vote for Wood - and it seems like that's what it's coming down to.

I'll also say that if Wood is chosen and he's clean, it's going to cast more doubt on me - but I do think we can get some more intel either way.

he obviously suggests being the guard. maybe the real one is already voting for him, but the deadline being backstage-manipulated may very well being a ww just trolling him/us. just saying. if he's lynched a ww: that's actually good for me personally since i voted for him yesterday but bad nonetheless.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

My concerns about WoodNUFC stem solely - and mainly - from the extraordinary Time Elasticity of the recent past.

However, I do wonder about some of our other colleagues, their silence, taciturnity, (perhaps they would call it prudence), unwillingness to offer opinions, reasoning, thought,……

And yes, I am perhaps a little ashamed at the fact that I allowed my own subliminal and barely acknowledged, let alone expressed, prejudices against the Great Houses, and the nobility in general - and those emanating from them - (despite a few discussions on such topics that I held with the inestimable and utterly admirable Lady Valette) - to influence my vote on Sythas…..

This means that the resulting - seemingly miraculous - escape of the intrepid barge pilot WoodNUFC - still seems a little……..unexplained, to me.

I understand that you were transporting goods for the Movement, often at great personal risk and sometimes professional cost. However, I wish to hear your thoughts on The Time Shift…..before I contemplate changing my vote...