True. I'm now working on the theory it was either intended to be a hint that he was Red Man to the traitors or was the King In Waiting and trying to hide in plain site. Sneak argument works well too though, hoping to get scanned/cleared early.
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[WW] - The Game of Thrones - GAME OVER - LOYALS WIN
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You're awfully agreeable with a theory..
Until you're not.
And agreeable again. Interesting.
Hello fellow loyals! If you are a traitor, DO NOT READ OKAY? Honor system and such.
I feared this day would come, but I was hoping later than sooner. Since ScepticalScribe is dead and it is confirmed she was the Master of Whispers, I don't want her information to die in vain, even if it costs me my own life. This is a new role so maybe it's a bad time to reveal, maybe not.
I am the Faceless Panda.
Why should you believe me? You shouldn't! Except I am. How can I prove it? I can't!
Every dawn I've been getting a list of up to 3 scans. Simply the names of 3 individuals.
Unfortunately while I got 3 names the first night, every night since I've only received two names. Fortunately I've consistently been getting names of alive people. This either means our Silent Sister is REALLY lazy or died during Night 1 (Don't Panic). Of course maybe they were just lazy between night 1 and their final death? But at this point I feel that they are likely dead.
jav6454 was scanned by the Silent Sister on Night 1. This is obvious since jav6454 was the only person dead by Night 1.
Unfortunately I fear too much information would assist the traitors.
However I think if I give you an alphabetical list of people that were either scanned or protected, it would assist us in voting.
Please note The Bought Man *may* be in this list as a scan shows them loyal and the vulture can protect The Bought Man, even if The Bought Man has turned.
I will tell you that ScepticalScribe never voted for somebody that was scanned OR protected (that was happy coincidence). This leads me to believe that everybody she scanned was scanned as a loyal. Although there is no way to know. Since everybody protected obviously didn't kill the Vulture, they're clean too.
I hesitate to give a list of just those scanned or just those protected and I refuse to give, at least without VERY good reason, the combinations and nights. Some additional information can be inferred from the combinations which would be more useful to the traitors than it would be to the loyals. In this list I will NOT include the events of last night as the person scanned on the list (1 of the 2 was scanned) of course would not be voted for or against by ScepticalScribe today since she is dead.
I wanted to bring this information up in case we opted to use it instead of using the Maester.
I will post the list sometime Saturday should nobody see fault in posting. Along with myself, it will clear 6 total (5 + me since I'm not a traitor) currently alive people if the fact that ScepticalScribe never voted for somebody that was scanned or protected (again, happy coincidence) ever indicates that she found them to be loyal.
I feared this day would come, but I was hoping later than sooner. Since ScepticalScribe is dead and it is confirmed she was the Master of Whispers, I don't want her information to die in vain, even if it costs me my own life. This is a new role so maybe it's a bad time to reveal, maybe not.
I am the Faceless Panda.
Why should you believe me? You shouldn't! Except I am. How can I prove it? I can't!
Every dawn I've been getting a list of up to 3 scans. Simply the names of 3 individuals.
Unfortunately while I got 3 names the first night, every night since I've only received two names. Fortunately I've consistently been getting names of alive people. This either means our Silent Sister is REALLY lazy or died during Night 1 (Don't Panic). Of course maybe they were just lazy between night 1 and their final death? But at this point I feel that they are likely dead.
jav6454 was scanned by the Silent Sister on Night 1. This is obvious since jav6454 was the only person dead by Night 1.
Unfortunately I fear too much information would assist the traitors.
However I think if I give you an alphabetical list of people that were either scanned or protected, it would assist us in voting.
Please note The Bought Man *may* be in this list as a scan shows them loyal and the vulture can protect The Bought Man, even if The Bought Man has turned.
I will tell you that ScepticalScribe never voted for somebody that was scanned OR protected (that was happy coincidence). This leads me to believe that everybody she scanned was scanned as a loyal. Although there is no way to know. Since everybody protected obviously didn't kill the Vulture, they're clean too.
I hesitate to give a list of just those scanned or just those protected and I refuse to give, at least without VERY good reason, the combinations and nights. Some additional information can be inferred from the combinations which would be more useful to the traitors than it would be to the loyals. In this list I will NOT include the events of last night as the person scanned on the list (1 of the 2 was scanned) of course would not be voted for or against by ScepticalScribe today since she is dead.
I wanted to bring this information up in case we opted to use it instead of using the Maester.
I will post the list sometime Saturday should nobody see fault in posting. Along with myself, it will clear 6 total (5 + me since I'm not a traitor) currently alive people if the fact that ScepticalScribe never voted for somebody that was scanned or protected (again, happy coincidence) ever indicates that she found them to be loyal.
Thanks for coming out to help us. I don't understand why you don't give the names, though. Unless the traitors feel like taking a gamble for a bigger role, you'll die when evening hits.
We could really narrow down the list based on what the moves were.
What is stopping you from posting the information you have?
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I will likely be posting the names. I just wanted to make sure from others that it wasn't a really really stupid thing to do. I can always post them up until the deadline or majority lock on me (which won't happen). I can never unpost them. The deadline will likely be Monday or Tuesday for lynching anyway so we have time.
Ok - it's likely that DP was the Silent Sister then - unfortunate to lose a useful role so early.
The fact the bought man still scanned last night is good news for us as it means he and the Dirk hadn't found each other prior to that. Unfortunately I don't think we can totally clear any of the names on your list since you only know the targets not the source of them. So what you can give us a list of names that aren't the Dirk (as that would give a positive to either scan). Sneak and Lord in Waiting would be overlooked by the Bought Man, and Sneak would appear loyal to the Seer. So any name on that list could be Sneak or Lord In Waiting.
Edit - or the Red Man as that wouldn't show to the Bought Man either. Are there are any duplicates on that list (so scanned by both)
I do not get the Bought Mans scans. At this point, only the Seer and Vulture since Silent Sister is likely dead.
Doh - of course was thinking Bought Man counted as loyal - feeling silly now. So there's a chance sneak is in that list but other than that their loyal.
The Bought Man and The Sneak could be in the list. But having Scepticalscribe back alive would not tell us any better for those two. I believe that everybody on the list is at least not The Dirk, The Lord in Waiting, or the Red Man. But that is simply my belief since none of them that were protected killed the Vulture and none on the list (protected or scanned, I can only guess which is which) were voted to be lynched on by Scepticalscribe.
Actually no one where in the rules post does it say Faceless Man doesn't get the Bought Mans scans.
'Faceless Man - The Faceless Man shadows the Loyals each night to see who they target with their scans/protects (passive ability).'
and Bought Man is listed as loyal. But since your only getting 3/2 names then it must be that you don't
'Faceless Man - The Faceless Man shadows the Loyals each night to see who they target with their scans/protects (passive ability).'
and Bought Man is listed as loyal. But since your only getting 3/2 names then it must be that you don't
I asked chrmnjenkins in this thread and he confirmed the Faceless Man does not. I also confirmed via PM.
Do keep in mind that Scepticalscribe only didn't vote for people to be lynched that were scanned/protected. If (for instance) she scanned me, saw I was a traitor but the votes were already building against another, it might not be worth voting for the known traitor. So the list I give won't really prove anything, it's only if you believe those she scanned and never targetted (which is all of them) are likely not traitors.
I think Scepticalscribe would have probably revealed a name if she'd found a traitor as it would have rid us of one miscreant and given us something to go on with that persons votes as to finding others.
The downside to revealing that list I can think of is it would narrow the field of people for the Bought Man to scan for the Dirk and the people for them to attempt to kill to find the Red Man.
Is Scepticalscribe's name on that list? If so is it the night of the no kill? I think the most useful names on there would be the two from that night.
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Reviving Scepticalscribe and revealing her scans has the same downside of giving the traitors more info.
awwwwww so cute
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Good point! Although again, there is no guarantee that those she scanned are not traitors. They probably are not, but no guarantee. But your point should be taken into consideration and is why I wanted to have the discussion prior to posting the list.
Well, since the traitors know who they attempted to kill and I doubt Scepticalscribe scanned herself, I can confirm Scepticalscribe was protected on Night 3.
Reviving her allows her to confirm that they are all loyal or which ones are traitors. Not reviving her allows us to assume they are all loyal.
OK. That clears up why Vulture didn't protect her last night. It also means its pretty likely Vulture protected her from dying the night before. That would mean we don't have the Red Man to deal with yet and from a solely personal perspective my suspicion of her being the Red Man didn't contribute to her death. The traitors already had her in their sites.
If'd you'd like to go 0/2 in your witch hunts be my guest.
We can classify this post as agreeable
If'd you'd like to go 0/2 in your witch hunts be my guest.
We can classify this post as agreeable
I wasn't saying you were a traitor. Nevermind. Not worth the energy at the moment.
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Have I became that person uses other people's logic and doesn't think on their own? I always disliked that person.
I caught that you were calling me out, but I am not sure I have an answer for you. It's probably long and in-depth and not something anyone cares about.
I usually look for discrepancies in behavior from game to game, which is tough with so many new players.
I wasn't trying to look high and mighty after Bunny's death, but more so get a reaction out of you.
To be honest, I think you're wise in not listing the names. While it is a good deal of info for us loyals, it is also handing over a lot to the traitors.
I did protect SS on night three which is why I couldn't last night, unfortunately.
I think it's wise to look at those who voted for SS during day 4. It wouldn't surprise me if a traitor tried starting a bandwagon against her to get her lynched. That way they wouldn't have to waste another night trying to kill her.
Well you succeeded, but only because outside of day one it's been kind of a frustrating game. It's not really you. I edited because it came off harsher than I wanted it to. I wish I could say I have some brilliant theory to throw at you, but I don't. It's clear the usual analysis isn't necessarily reliable. So I got nothin' for right now, I'll do some more re-reading when I have time tomorrow.
Although you're still a bastard, I forgive you because of that brilliant game we pulled off as the last two villagers against the final wolf.
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I agree to an extent - but if we don't make the names public, all that happens is the traitors know another special and we don't get very much to help us narrow. Although I think SilentPanda's idea to wait a little is probably prudent.
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Votes for Scepticalscribe on day 4:
FenrisMoonlight
jimN (note, SS voted for jimN, meaning she probably didn't scan him innocent)
costabunny
Mostly I'm offering it as an alternative to potentially bringing scepticalscribe back to life. Not that I'm against having her back. But we almost already have all her information. IMO it might be better to bring the Vulture back, should they die.
Yeppers! That's why I didn't want to list any names until I got some outside opinions. Although I'll likely not be voting for any of the people on my collected list going forward. Which doesn't make my vote necessarily any better than others... just slightly better odds of getting a traitor, but I could just keep picking wrong.
Yeah but taking them to your death could be worse for us than not releasing them. Although with the two of you having nice targets on your heads now, I think its unlikely the traitors will kill the Maester tonight. So, if the Maester is still with us we could hold off another day before deciding who to resurrect.
I thought that was the case.
Agreed - apart from the fact it was me that cast the first stone and I'm loyal - just have to imprison my advisers for suggesting that course of action.
Good point, costabunny is dead and I'm loyal so that leaves jimN who is one of the ones Scepticalscribe voted for yesterday. Think that makes jimN more suspicious than Roric for the time being.
Ravenvii also voted for Scepticalscribe to start with but changed to costabunny after costabunny voted for Scepticalscribe in an attempt to save his fur.
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Lords and ladies, there are 14 of us left and many traitors still lurk within our midst. A majority of 8 will ensure a swift demise.
Potential Traitors
jimN: 2 twietee, FenrisMoonlight
comeagain?: 1 ravenvii
Yet to vote: SilentPanda, Comeagain?, jimN, WoodNUFC, Roric, Moyank24, ucfgrad93, Sythas, rick snagwell, Queen of Spades, Koodauw,
Accusations
Post 786 ravenvii accused comeagain?
Post 799 FenrisMoonlight accused Roric
Post 800 twietee accused jimN
Post 823 FenrisMoonlight accused jimN replacing previous accusation in post 799 for Roric
FenrisMoonlight - Squire in service of the King's Justice
I wake up and the game has finally started moving although we still seemed determined to make decisions based on fallacies.
As it stands Panda has no information on actual traitors other than saying that they themselves are loyal and they can name other loyals. This means of course that Scepticalscribe hasn't any new info to add and, if resurrected would likely only manage one scan before being killed again. Assuming that they are protected the first night. This means that we have the chance to look at two people, one through lynching and one via scanning.
As it stands it seems that my voting for SS has put me under suspicion. Whilst the rest of you who have voted to lynch innocents day after day are suddenly beyond reproach or more useful to the group because your justifications for said lynchings have been so elaborate.
Well, if you want to vote for me go on. I'm working all weekend so can't be that involved, I have nothing to add for my defence but I'm loyal an you'll all be shown to be clueless once again.
If Fenris really wants to be of service to the King's squire he could compile a list of everyone who has jumped on the voting bandwagons as to my mind they are the most likely to be traitors. Those voting for me now are equally suspicious.
As it stands Panda has no information on actual traitors other than saying that they themselves are loyal and they can name other loyals. This means of course that Scepticalscribe hasn't any new info to add and, if resurrected would likely only manage one scan before being killed again. Assuming that they are protected the first night. This means that we have the chance to look at two people, one through lynching and one via scanning.
As it stands it seems that my voting for SS has put me under suspicion. Whilst the rest of you who have voted to lynch innocents day after day are suddenly beyond reproach or more useful to the group because your justifications for said lynchings have been so elaborate.
Well, if you want to vote for me go on. I'm working all weekend so can't be that involved, I have nothing to add for my defence but I'm loyal an you'll all be shown to be clueless once again.
If Fenris really wants to be of service to the King's squire he could compile a list of everyone who has jumped on the voting bandwagons as to my mind they are the most likely to be traitors. Those voting for me now are equally suspicious.
Well, Fenris' seems to count for three, but still pretty controversial, eh?
That said, now I've to read what people actually wrote...
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Hm, ok. WoodNUFC being the Vulture was something to expect. I also trust SilentPanda in what he claims, although I don't see much advantages in his outing yet since we only know that ss didn't vote for those she scanned - something we could have assumed nonetheless.
But I still don't see the advantage to hold back re ss actually - only if WoodNUFC could confirm that he didn't protect himself last night. Then we could wait a day but would lose the FacelessPanda most likely. The Maester is still undercover (if not dead) so rather save for now.
I see it like this, but there may be a flaw inherent so do tell if so: If we revive her while woodNUFC is still around we have two cleared persons more (ss and the Maester) plus Panda; actually two new scans since we don't know what came up the night she died; and will achieve most likely two no-kill nights within the next four nights and since the baddies have to go afte ss and woodNUFC our Maester and SPanda will stick around for much longer. Now, in my eyes, it's woodNUFCs call (and of the Maester obviously): if he can protect himself tonight we should probably delay that for one day although we would lose a cleared player with SilentPanda, if not I'd say go for it now. Personally I'd prefer to keep SilentPanda alive and revive her today.
Also it's true that we narrow the list down for The LordinW, but they have to go for ss and woodNUFC for four consecutive nights - that's an advantage for us.
Disagree about reviving The Vulture above the MofW in our current situation (Vulture still alive).
Can we be sure we have that much time re deadline? Just askin'.
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