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[WW] - The Game of Thrones - GAME OVER - LOYALS WIN

fenris

i think you have stayed pretty clean, adding up all the tally's n such...

and just persuading the vote to jimN.

i still think koodauw is gotta be behind some stuff, but im confused on how many baddies are left...
 
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There is little doubt that there is an experienced player among those betraying the Loyal Family. Since I know neither jimN nor Roric I'd tend to vote for comeagain? today BUT ss did state her concern about those players lost in the woods and I believe it is more likely she scanned comeagain? instead of the other two. Pure speculation of course. Since we haven't decided to bring her back or not, I hold back my vote for comeagain? at the moment.

rick snagwell said:
but im confused on how many baddies are left...
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We still have 3+1 baddies around. 3 Traitors and 1 BoughtMan/Goth. Of the 3 Traitors only two can PM each other right now, not knowing who the third is. The third one (RedMan) does know who the other two are.

But Fenris? I was suspecting him before but he smells rather loyal to me now.
 
I think if SS knew who was a traitor she would have said. There's no reason to believe the Redman has been activated, and a traitor was killed in the first night. With only two traitors in the game (unless I'm wrong) a known traitor could have been killed easily allowing time to ferret out a loner who would have been working unsupported.

I haven't played with most of you before although i haven't seen much evidence that anyone is playing a clever game. SS drew a lot of attention to themselves, Jav got lynched essentially by accident and two loyals have been killed for no good reason at all.

Might as well bring back SS as could probably get a couple more scans out of her before she's killed again. The maester would be revealed but in so doing increase our gaggle of confirmed innocents.

Panda should publish their list, that way we'd not only know innocents but also confirm Panda's claim prior to the return of SS.

How many unconfirmed does that leave?

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My number of traitors is off. Apologies.
 
twietee said:
We still have 3+1 baddies around. 3 Traitors and 1 BoughtMan/Goth. Of the 3 Traitors only two can PM each other right now, not knowing who the third is. The third one (RedMan) does know who the other two are.
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Sorry, that's actually not necessarily true since the RedMan could be dead already (doubt it).

3+(1) is definitely correct though. I put the BoughtMan/Goth in braces since he could have been killed or lynched already.
 
rick snagwell said:
fenris

i think you have stayed pretty clean, adding up all the tally's n such...

and just persuading the vote to jimN.

i still think koodauw is gotta be behind some stuff, but im confused on how many baddies are left...
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I tend to agree with you the more I think about it. Fenris is comfortably helpful in providing his witchcraft tallies. But he also forced woodNUFC to reveal himself when ravenvii managed to jump the lynch day 2 - that was unnecessary at the time in my opinion (while Sythas was just as suspicious) also backing off right after woodNUFC was 'cleared' for no obvious reason.

He also did cast the first stone on ss while it was pretty certain that she would either die the next night or be a Traitor if not. That said, I'd even go as far as suspecting him being the RedMan since he divulged ss' quote quite excessively. Still her quote could've been read the way he did and maybe he just put his focus upon that a tad too much.

I disagree about JimN though since ss voted for him thus being a viable target imho.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
OK. That clears up why Vulture didn't protect her last night. It also means its pretty likely Vulture protected her from dying the night before. That would mean we don't have the Red Man to deal with yet and from a solely personal perspective my suspicion of her being the Red Man didn't contribute to her death. The traitors already had her in their sites.
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Although WoodNUFC confirmed it, the list for that night said "Scepticalscribe, Other Player". Since Scepticalscribe would not scan herself (unless she's into that sort of thing), I already knew she was protected that night once we knew she was the seer.

jimN said:
As it stands Panda has no information on actual traitors other than saying that they themselves are loyal and they can name other loyals. This means of course that Scepticalscribe hasn't any new info to add and, if resurrected would likely only manage one scan before being killed again. Assuming that they are protected the first night. This means that we have the chance to look at two people, one through lynching and one via scanning.
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Scepticalscribe does have new information to add. First we can only infer that the people she scanned were not scanned as traitors. Second, the person she scanned last night could be a traitor but since she is dead she cannot speak. I'm not sure who she scanned without knowing who was protected anyway. She also creates a third target for the traitors. If she comes back today, WoodNUFC can protect her tonight, or himself, or me (although to be honest, I'm the most useless out of the bunch). Then it becomes a game between WoodNUFC protecting the right people and the traitors guessing who didn't get protected.

twietee said:
Disagree about reviving The Vulture above the MofW in our current situation (Vulture still alive).

Can we be sure we have that much time re deadline? Just askin'.
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I'm not stating we should or should not revive the Vulture over MofW. I just wanted to put the information in hand before we went all for the MofW. If we still go for MofW I'm fine with that.

We don't have a guarantee on the deadline but it seems that on weekends when there are still a lot of people playing the deadline is rarely during the weekend. I think it's safe to say we have until at least Monday if not Tuesday.

I think I'll be releasing the list (it's honestly not that much) unless convinced otherwise. If I am alive and WoodNUFC dies, I'll release more details to let people attempt to discern protection over scans. If I die then I think it'd be prudent for WoodNUFC to release which protections he's made that he feels wouldn't give too much information to the traitors.
 
Seeing as the vulture has been outed, wouldn't now be the best time to bring back SS? I have a feeling the vulture is the next to go, and with no protection for SS, the only benefit of bring her back is to reveal the scan from last night.

If the NW comes forward too, We'd have narrowed the list a bit. Dead riser person I say do you're thing, if you are still here.
 
Alright... here goes nothing.

twietee was protected one night. I know this because the other person who was listed, died that night. Hence if the other person had been protected and twietee scanned, the other person would not have died. So IMO, twietee is 99% clear (although he could technically be The Bought Man since even if converted, The Bought Man could be protected without causing the death of the Vulture).

The following two people were scanned (aside from the person who ended up dying the same night): Moyank24, ravenvii. These people were only scanned, my assumption is that they appeared loyal.

So there are 3 names.

As I already stated, Scepticalscribe was protected the night of no deaths and of course, WoodNUFC has been on the list.

So there are 2 more names, although neither is really helpful to us since we already knew that.

Then of course me.

I do have the two additional names from last night but since nothing can really be discerned from them I don't want to include them as to not cause any confusion.

Now you know most everything I know.

Bringing Scepticalscribe back will help identify if Moyank24 and ravenvii are scanned as loyals. But either or both of them could still be The Bought Man or The Sneak. It will also give us the scanned loyalty of the person she scanned last night.

Of course if Moyank24 or ravenvii are the maester, then bringing Scepticalscribe back somewhat diminishes the effectiveness since I believe that is a public action.

Anyway... that's what I got.

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Separate from this, my personal feeling is that I'm most suspicious of those that voted after I posted that I would likely be providing a list of names today. They knew new information was forthcoming yet chose to vote prior. Sure they can change their votes now, but why even bother? Of course, that's simply suspicion, not evidence.
 
SilentPanda said:
Alright... here goes nothing.

twietee was protected one night. I know this because the other person who was listed, died that night. Hence if the other person had been protected and twietee scanned, the other person would not have died. So IMO, twietee is 99% clear (although he could technically be The Bought Man since even if converted, The Bought Man could be protected without causing the death of the Vulture).

The following two people were scanned (aside from the person who ended up dying the same night): Moyank24, ravenvii. These people were only scanned, my assumption is that they appeared loyal.

So there are 3 names.

As I already stated, Scepticalscribe was protected the night of no deaths and of course, WoodNUFC has been on the list.

So there are 2 more names, although neither is really helpful to us since we already knew that.

Then of course me.

I do have the two additional names from last night but since nothing can really be discerned from them I don't want to include them as to not cause any confusion.

Now you know most everything I know.

Bringing Scepticalscribe back will help identify if Moyank24 and ravenvii are scanned as loyals. But either or both of them could still be The Bought Man or The Sneak. It will also give us the scanned loyalty of the person she scanned last night.

Of course if Moyank24 or ravenvii are the maester, then bringing Scepticalscribe back somewhat diminishes the effectiveness since I believe that is a public action.

Anyway... that's what I got.

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Separate from this, my personal feeling is that I'm most suspicious of those that voted after I posted that I would likely be providing a list of names today. They knew new information was forthcoming yet chose to vote prior. Sure they can change their votes now, but why even bother? Of course, that's simply suspicion, not evidence.
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this is getting very confusing. do we even know if we can revive her?
 
SilentPanda said:
Separate from this, my personal feeling is that I'm most suspicious of those that voted after I posted that I would likely be providing a list of names today. They knew new information was forthcoming yet chose to vote prior. Sure they can change their votes now, but why even bother? Of course, that's simply suspicion, not evidence.
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That would be me (changed my vote since) and rick snagwell then (who voted for me). I have to say if I didn't know I was loyal I would be suspicious of me. First to vote for Pluto, and first to vote for Scepticalscribe.

I had 3 of your names down as clear anyway but you've just removed one name from my suspicious list. I'll have to go back through the votes with the additional information from here and see if anyone stands out.

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ravenvii said:
But we will know one of them is loyal (the Vulture would've died otherwise if he protected a traitor).
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True - but I don't think its a good idea to give out a hint as to who the Vulture protected last night at this point.
 
SilentPanda said:
Although WoodNUFC confirmed it, the list for that night said "Scepticalscribe, Other Player". Since Scepticalscribe would not scan herself (unless she's into that sort of thing), I already knew she was protected that night once we knew she was the seer.
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Yeah, we know for sure she was protected. We don't know definitely she was the target, although it is likely as there were fairly strong hints that she was either a special or the Red Man the day before. So, it is possible they found the Red Man but I think its more likely Vulture saved her.

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It wouldn't surprise me if I was the one Sceptialscribe scanned last night. I must have looked pretty suspicious to her.
 
SilentPanda said:
Well you're not CLEAR. But I trust you more than these other people... slightly. :)
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We could revive DP so he can calculate the precise odds for us. :D

But I do wonder why I got protected? Thx woodNUFC! although that lucky draw today against Pool wasn't that much appreciated. Give and Take I guess.
 
twietee said:
We could revive DP so he can calculate the precise odds for us. :D

But I do wonder why I got protected? Thx woodNUFC! although that lucky draw today against Pool wasn't that much appreciated. Give and Take I guess.
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I'm no DP but I make it 1/16 chance (6.25%) that your the Bought Man with between a 28.47% and 33.03% chance you found the Dirk and between a 26.64% and 30.56% chance the Dirk found you (assuming that we didn't kill the Dirk first night)
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
I'm no DP but I make it 1/16 chance (6.25%) that your the Bought Man with between a 28.47% and 33.03% chance you found the Dirk and between a 26.64% and 30.56% chance the Dirk found you (assuming that we didn't kill the Dirk first night)
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There is actually zero chance the Dirk and the Bought Man found each other yet.
 
twietee said:
Because I'm the BoughtMan. :eek:

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And because we weren't informed by now. :D
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I hope your kidding about being the Bought Man.

Do we get informed if the traitors find the Bought Man? I don't see anything about that in the rules, so was assuming it was like infection and we don't know if its occurred.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
Do we get informed if the traitors find the Bought Man? I don't see anything about that in the rules, so was assuming it was like infection and we don't know if its occurred.
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- The Dirk or The Bought Man find each other. Killing still occurs. It will be publicly announced during the next day by the GG that the Loyals have a Traitor among them.

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And no, I'm not the BoughtMan. :rolleyes:
 
twietee said:
- The Dirk or The Bought Man find each other. Killing still occurs. It will be publicly announced during the next day by the GG that the Loyals have a Traitor among them.

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And no, I'm not the BoughtMan. :rolleyes:
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ok - missed that bit in the rules. There is still a 6.25% chance you are the Bought Man though! :D

The good news is that means we don't have any reason to lynch you until we get notified that there is a traitor in our midst.
 
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