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[WW] - The Game of Thrones - GAME OVER - LOYALS WIN

twietee said:
Not unexpected. Curious why we get the info about loyal/traitor at night, thought we didn't get that before? :confused:

So I assume she was the MoW and the RedMan wasn't found last night. But since it was somehow to be expected I'm very curious why she didn't tell us her scans before.
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I'm really confused as to what potentially happened at night. Can you shed some light on theories?
 
Hmm. An interesting, but not entirely unexpected, turn of events.......in the circumstances.

For now, I think I'll pass on the cup cakes, (nonetheless, thank you kindly for the offer); however, methinks that a nice glass goblet of rich Ripasso red wine would go down rather well and would be more than very welcome......
 
SilentPanda said:
I'm really confused as to what potentially happened at night. Can you shed some light on theories?
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She got killed? By the Traitors. :D


She hinted at being the MoW very strongly imho, even the quote Fenris found out contained the word 'whisper'. If she hadn't been killed today, I'd have voted for her to be honest. Sadly, not even ravenvii, who she fiercly defended (I take it she scanned him), is cleared in my eyes because we can't know if he really is a special or scepticalscribe just made him look like one so that he could be a viable target for the baddies (assuming she scanned him a peasant). But a scanned peasant can also be The Sneak so a second one would be needed and I doubt that happened.*

Hope that makes sense. :eek:

Still think ravenvii's vote first for her and then a sudden switch to costabunny should be explained, the quote he took for a reason isn't convincing.


* Maybe chrmjenkins can clarify that The Sneak appears as a Peasant the first time? Just curious because the rules state 'appears as Loyal'.
 
SilentPanda said:
The whole loyal traitor thing confuses me. So since a traitor died, the only explanation is that she was the Master of Whispers correct?
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Yup. Since she was killed at night by the traitors, and the MoW scan will show up traitor - clearly she was a prime target after she had to allude to her role to save her skin.
 
Still, we never got an info about Loyal/Traitor or Cylon/Human at night before, last game also, so that is a bit strange but works in our favor, so who am I to complain? :D
 
twietee said:
She got killed? By the Traitors. :D


She hinted at being the MoW very strongly imho, even the quote Fenris found out contained the word 'whisper'. If she hadn't been killed today, I'd have voted for her to be honest. Sadly, not even ravenvii, who she fiercly defended (I take it she scanned him), is cleared in my eyes because we can't know if he really is a special or scepticalscribe just made him look like one so that he could be a viable target for the baddies (assuming she scanned him a peasant). But a scanned peasant can also be The Sneak so a second one would be needed and I doubt that happened.*

Hope that makes sense. :eek:

Still think ravenvii's vote first for her and then a sudden switch to costabunny should be explained, the quote he took for a reason isn't convincing.


* Maybe chrmjenkins can clarify that The Sneak appears as a Peasant the first time? Just curious because the rules state 'appears as Loyal'.
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Game rules say

The Master of Whispers will be given the nature of the scanned's role, but not the explicit role.

so if she was MoW she'd have only got loyal or traitor, I think.
 
twietee said:
Still think ravenvii's vote first for her and then a sudden switch to costabunny should be explained, the quote he took for a reason isn't convincing.
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Don't think the post I quoted is convincing? Have you seen how Costabunny played the whole game? The first, second & third days we gave her a pass because she's new. But she insists on continuing the uber-suspicious style. The post I quoted was like "oh look! A good lead! I'll hop on, forgetting the lesson I learned the past two days and hoping I'd look innocent when Scepticalscribe turns out to be traitor!"

That didn't turn out to be the case, obviously, but at the time I was like "seriously? Time to just get her out of the way".

Comeagain? is a prime example of posters that Queen of Spades was speaking of a few posts back, and I agree.
 
ravenvii said:
Don't think the post I quoted is convincing? Have you seen how Costabunny played the whole game? The first, second & third days we gave her a pass because she's new. But she insists on continuing the uber-suspicious style. The post I quoted was like "oh look! A good lead! I'll hop on, forgetting the lesson I learned the past two days and hoping I'd look innocent when Scepticalscribe turns out to be traitor!"

That didn't turn out to be the case, obviously, but at the time I was like "seriously? Time to just get her out of the way".
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Well, she played the whole game the same way and you just happened to notice that shortly after you voted for ss? In my opinion that post of hers was the first with a somewhat convincing contend (sorry costabunny sounds harsher than it's meant :)): she led by votes and voted for ss who were second. What's wrong with that?
But anyway, still don't understand why ss didn't reveal her role and scans in the end. Could have helped. But there's hopefully our Measter still lurking around, so maybe we'll see her back sooner than we think.
 
rick snagwell said:
im really confused...how is there a good traitor?

so it was jav and SS, with one more left right?
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Scepticalscribe was the seer of the game, called the Master of Whispers. From the game description:

chrmjenkins said:
Master of Whispers (good Traitor) – Each night he can scan players to find Traitors. The Master of Whispers will be given the nature of the scanned's role, but not the explicit role.* This is the Seer of the game. If the Master of Whispers is killed the autopsy will show Traitor.
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Emphasis mine.
 
twietee said:
Well, she played the whole game the same way and you just happened to notice that shortly after you voted for ss? In my opinion that post of hers was the first with a somewhat convincing contend (sorry costabunny sounds harsher than it's meant :)): she led by votes and voted for ss who were second. What's wrong with that?
But anyway, still don't understand why ss didn't reveal her role and scans in the end. Could have helped. But there's hopefully our Measter still lurking around, so maybe we'll see her back sooner than we think.
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Yeah, Maester ressing her is an option. Then we know two specials for sure and get to know her first four scans (order of events says MoW scans take place before kills so she'd should have results of who she scanned last night before she died). Then if the Vulture protects her tonight we get 1 more scan before the traitors kill her again.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
Yeah, Maester ressing her is an option. Then we know two specials for sure and get to know her first four scans (order of events says MoW scans take place before kills so she'd should have results of who she scanned last night before she died). Then if the Vulture protects her tonight we get 1 more scan before the traitors kill her again.
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I think this is a pretty good option, providing the Maester hasn't bit the dust. At least we'd know who she scanned. Even if the Vulture doesn't protect her tonight for some reason, we still get to know 4 scans.
 
SilentPanda said:
I think this is a pretty good option, providing the Maester hasn't bit the dust. At least we'd know who she scanned. Even if the Vulture doesn't protect her tonight for some reason, we still get to know 4 scans.
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The Vulture is 100% still alive, but I fear s/he's already spotted as well, so maybe we really should think about doing it today. There is a slim chance that the Vulture was quite sure they'd go after ss this night and didn't protect her-/himself for that reason. So s/he could protect her-/himself next night..but then it's getting quite hot around here. Reviving her today has definitely some advantages although it's still early in the game and her 'peasant' scans aren't really helpful because of the Sneak (although I've some hope it was Jav). Her revealing some more specials wouldn't be great either. So yeah, still worth I shot imho.

Edit: Although wrong, I still think it was an excellent find Fenris (that quote). As long as that happens we can maximize our time regarding the RedMan being found be the Traitors.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
Yeah, Maester ressing her is an option. Then we know two specials for sure and get to know her first four scans (order of events says MoW scans take place before kills so she'd should have results of who she scanned last night before she died). Then if the Vulture protects her tonight we get 1 more scan before the traitors kill her again.
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Sounds like a darn good idea to me.
 
twietee said:
The Vulture is 100% still alive, but I fear s/he's already spotted as well, so maybe we really should think about doing it today. There is a slim chance that the Vulture was quite sure they'd go after ss this night and didn't protect himself for that reason. So he could protect himself next night..but then it's getting quite hot around here. Reviving her today as definitely some advantages although it's still early in the game and her 'peasant' scans aren't really helpful because of the Sneak (although I've some hope it was Jav). Her revealing some more specials wouldn't be great either. So yeah, still worth I shot imho.
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She can only reveal loyal or traitor (and 1 loyal could be sneak). If Vulture didnt protect himself last night then why didnt (s)he protect Scepticalscribe. I'm kinda hoping its coz Vulture protected and saved Scepticalscribe the night before - which would mean we don't have Red Man to worry about yet.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
She can only reveal loyal or traitor (and 1 loyal could be sneak). If Vulture didnt protect himself last night then why didnt (s)he protect Scepticalscribe. I'm kinda hoping its coz Vulture protected and saved Scepticalscribe the night before - which would mean we don't have Red Man to worry about yet.
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1. I agree about the revival. Not sure if ss wants to come back though. :D
2. Yes, I assumw (we can't know) that he protected ss the night before. And was sure they'd go after her this night again. That way he could've save one self-protection for the coming night.

Here, maybe you missed that part from my post above: "Although wrong, I still think it was an excellent find Fenris (that quote). As long as that happens we can maximize our time regarding the RedMan being found be the Traitors."
 
twietee said:
The Vulture is 100% still alive, but I fear s/he's already spotted as well, so maybe we really should think about doing it today. There is a slim chance that the Vulture was quite sure they'd go after ss this night and didn't protect her-/himself for that reason. So s/he could protect her-/himself next night..but then it's getting quite hot around here. Reviving her today has definitely some advantages although it's still early in the game and her 'peasant' scans aren't really helpful because of the Sneak (although I've some hope it was Jav). Her revealing some more specials wouldn't be great either. So yeah, still worth I shot imho.

Edit: Although wrong, I still think it was an excellent find Fenris (that quote). As long as that happens we can maximize our time regarding the RedMan being found be the Traitors.
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What about keeping the Maestro around to use for the Vulture then?

I guess my actual question is, can we get an ordered list of best targets for the Maestro to revive? It might be worth saving for a rainy day too.

Best case, she has a list of traitors to hand to us. Worst case, she scanned citizens before they were killed and she has no new information to give us. Vulture might be good since it'd be another vote for us plus they can keep themselves alive and hopefully win at the "which glass has the poison in it" game.
 
Since we don't have any cleared players, the vulture is always endangered to die while protecting someone except himself. If we revive ss now, he has

a) a cleared target to protect.

b) the Traitors will get a second no-kill (could gamble but don't believe it) and then ss would die the next night again most likely.

c) Vulture could save the protection then for sure and stays for even longer around

d) Maester could be accidentally killed by Traitors or even lynched by us (unlikely though)

e) I think the Traitors could already suspect the Vulture. So if we don't revive ss now he's probably killed the next night. Can't tell if it's likely whether he 'saved' his protection for tonight or not. But this part is pure speculation by me!

f) doing it now has the flavor of getting knowledge about some loyals or even a baddie right away, very tempting, makes our votes more educated and could even shed some light on past lynches

e) we even know the Maester so one person less to think about

I'm definitely in favor to revive the Seer, especially since it's hard to get a grip on all those lurkers in the woods. But that's just my opinion, and I'm also going to bed now..:D
 
twietee said:
1. I agree about the revival. Not sure if ss wants to come back though. :D
2. Yes, I assumw (we can't know) that he protected ss the night before. And was sure they'd go after her this night again. That way he could've save one self-protection for the coming night.

Here, maybe you missed that part from my post above: "Although wrong, I still think it was an excellent find Fenris (that quote). As long as that happens we can maximize our time regarding the RedMan being found be the Traitors."
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Oh yeah - missed that - think you must have edited your post whilst I was writing my reply. I'll keep watching. Would love to know for sure who Jav was. I suspect King in Waiting or maybe Red Man.

SS might not have a choice if maester decides to bring her back. Hoping the Maester is still alive. Although maybe not naming her scans was in hope that we'd bring her back.

I've also tried to work through a way SSs kill could be a trick by the traitors to get us to res a traitor and I can't think of a way it works. Jav would have had to have been MoW and the traitors to have figured that out (which they could have done if all 3 are still alive and they got the Red Man on the no kill night). But it also relies on Faceless Man/Silent Sister not informing us that MoW was dead (or that any claimed scans were false) so don't think it can work.

I think our best option is to bring SS back and hope it gives us something to go on. It would gives us 2 definite loyals and 4 (5 tomorrow) probable loyals out of 15 remaining with her back so that would be nearly 1/2 the names kinda cleared which has to be to our advantage at this point

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SilentPanda said:
What about keeping the Maestro around to use for the Vulture then?

I guess my actual question is, can we get an ordered list of best targets for the Maestro to revive? It might be worth saving for a rainy day too.

Best case, she has a list of traitors to hand to us. Worst case, she scanned citizens before they were killed and she has no new information to give us. Vulture might be good since it'd be another vote for us plus they can keep themselves alive and hopefully win at the "which glass has the poison in it" game.
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If she'd found a traitor in her first three scans I'm sure she would have given us the name yesterday instead of costabunny. If we don't revive her we should look carefully at her accusations.

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Going on the basis that ScepticalScribe wouldn't have accused anyone she'd cleared with scans that would make her two accusations from yesterday sensible for further investigation. Which means its a coin toss between Roric and jimN.
 
FenrisMoonlight said:
Oh yeah - missed that - think you must have edited your post whilst I was writing my reply. I'll keep watching. Would love to know for sure who Jav was. I suspect King in Waiting or maybe Red Man.
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My thinking is that the Sneak is the only role that could (within boundaries of course) stay either rather quiet or even be a bit offensive, just like Jav was, because he has the advantage of being an eventual scan-target coming out loyal. But that's the theory and I actually doubt it myself. Wouldn't have played it that way myself.

In the end he was a Targeryan and they are nutters, there's little sense in analyzing their behavior.

Comeagain?, roric and JimN all sound good to me.
 
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