Well, one of them is certainly being untruthful, since one has to be s wolfie, but it coesn't mean they are also lying about their powers or scans
But someone is lying about their alignment
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[WW] - They Live?! - GAME OVER - Villagers win!
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Well, one of them is certainly being untruthful, since one has to be s wolfie, but it coesn't mean they are also lying about their powers or scans
But someone is lying about their alignment
if I understand that correctly, anyway, we have more chance that twietee is the wolf since he's not villager only....
Unless we have more information...
Unless we have more information...
So I am going to to believe that everyone is the role they claim and that the infection is in play.
Here is the way I see things. Were all pretty much sitting around not doing much when:
SS comes out as the guard and says she is going to be MIA for a bit. Not a bad strategy as a wolf, but I'd think you'd rather just lay low.
Then tweitee revealed his role as the swapper and apparently used the power. This could have been done to give the power to the wolves. A smart move if you think you're going to die soon.
Moyank then comes out as the undertaker, but it seems like she is almost forced to. I would think everyone would vote for her if she hadn't revealed her role. I believe the info she gave as accurate, it would be a huge risk to lie about being the undertaker, or guessed roles to the dead, if you named any role that was alive you'd be outed.
I am really torn here. I want to vote for Moyank, but can't bring myself to do it for some reason. None of this really makes sense to me, so good move by the wolves.
Here is the way I see things. Were all pretty much sitting around not doing much when:
SS comes out as the guard and says she is going to be MIA for a bit. Not a bad strategy as a wolf, but I'd think you'd rather just lay low.
Then tweitee revealed his role as the swapper and apparently used the power. This could have been done to give the power to the wolves. A smart move if you think you're going to die soon.
Moyank then comes out as the undertaker, but it seems like she is almost forced to. I would think everyone would vote for her if she hadn't revealed her role. I believe the info she gave as accurate, it would be a huge risk to lie about being the undertaker, or guessed roles to the dead, if you named any role that was alive you'd be outed.
I am really torn here. I want to vote for Moyank, but can't bring myself to do it for some reason. None of this really makes sense to me, so good move by the wolves.
I really do believe the swappers powers should have been used more wisely, here is my take:
After QoS came out as the Seer, we should have gotten the Swapper to save the Seer power with someone we know was good, without us knowing therefore not letting the wolves know the new Seer. Say why not use it on Don't Panic since we know SS tried to protect him.
This would have prevented the loss of such a great power and ability to the village's benefit. But instead we get this "swap" which is used to to confirm to known villagers. Talk about a waste. This puts tweitee waaay up in my list.
I believe SS is not our wolf since she did come out with the entire saving Don't Panic. Also, we have now confirmation the maniac's power has been used since QoS is dead. As a wolf, assuring the death of a Hunter, Seer or Necromancer is paramount.
Now, as per suspicions on SS's delays, I can confirm to certain degree why she disappears and appears to 'lay low'. She works for the UN/international ambassador in political areas. I know this due to a previous game (remember the 4 month run Mansion game?) since she always gave me a timeline on her agenda according to the occasion. Taking that real life into account, I doubt she would be playing us in that sense. Although, it is not outside the realm of possibilities, a quick Google search can easily confirm SS's work in elections and what not. But like V so eloquently said, "artists use lies to tell the truth"; why not "thugs use truths to tell lies?"
After QoS came out as the Seer, we should have gotten the Swapper to save the Seer power with someone we know was good, without us knowing therefore not letting the wolves know the new Seer. Say why not use it on Don't Panic since we know SS tried to protect him.
This would have prevented the loss of such a great power and ability to the village's benefit. But instead we get this "swap" which is used to to confirm to known villagers. Talk about a waste. This puts tweitee waaay up in my list.
I believe SS is not our wolf since she did come out with the entire saving Don't Panic. Also, we have now confirmation the maniac's power has been used since QoS is dead. As a wolf, assuring the death of a Hunter, Seer or Necromancer is paramount.
Now, as per suspicions on SS's delays, I can confirm to certain degree why she disappears and appears to 'lay low'. She works for the UN/international ambassador in political areas. I know this due to a previous game (remember the 4 month run Mansion game?) since she always gave me a timeline on her agenda according to the occasion. Taking that real life into account, I doubt she would be playing us in that sense. Although, it is not outside the realm of possibilities, a quick Google search can easily confirm SS's work in elections and what not. But like V so eloquently said, "artists use lies to tell the truth"; why not "thugs use truths to tell lies?"
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only true if SS isn't infected. If she was, she could chose not to protect QoS and its just a normal kill.
Pretty much.
We can easily draw reasonable scenarios for any of them being a wolf or a. Villager
I agree that most likely they all stuck to the Truth for the most part.
1. Twietee is the normal wolf, a swapper. The other wolf is the kami. Twietee could have swapped SS guard power to the kami, so we have no more guard. Or he could have swapped moyank. Or he could be the kami pretending to be the swapper
2. Scepticalscribe is the guard but she is infected, she scanned me on night 1, got infected and thus unprotected QoS was killed. There are still 2 wolves out there, the Kami and a regular one
3. Moyank is the undertaker but she is infected. Her scans are correct. There are still 2 wolves out there, the Kami and a regular one
I will need to go over utuff again when i am on a computer
On the phone is such a pain.
Right, but for me, I'm willing to trust SS just like I trusted QoS. But that still doesn't take suspicion off tweitee's bad use of the power. The fact remained he could have had saved the Seer power. That alome bothers me more.
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And we get another 'outing', sheesh, what's with people becoming outed all of a sudden? Has this game really changed much in the time I've been gone?
You enhance another person's power. For example you can target the seer and they get double scan, or the guard and they get double protection, etc.
I am not sure why would you come out now, though
Another thought, please look for flaws in the logic.
- we know pluto was the alpha. The remaining wolves MUST be the Kamikaze (core) plus one more picked from the general and wolf-specific pools
- in this case, we cannot have both a regular wolf AND a specific wolf. In other words if twietee is a wolf and is the swapper, the other wolf cannot be the maniac, it has to be the Kami.
- if twietee is a swapper wolf, then the maniac was not in play, and Scepticalscribe's declared protection of QoS couldn't be overcome and she wouldn't have died.
- therefore either twietee is not a wolf, or if he is, he is not a swapper for QoS to be killed under SS protection, since we need the Maniac for that. Since he claimed to have used the swapper power, this should be verifiable.
- this would also indicate that either Ss is infected and she never protected QoS, or moyank is infected and The two extra wolves are the Kami and the Maniac, with the Maniac having used their power to overcome SS protection of QoS
Makes sense? Thoughts?
- we know pluto was the alpha. The remaining wolves MUST be the Kamikaze (core) plus one more picked from the general and wolf-specific pools
- in this case, we cannot have both a regular wolf AND a specific wolf. In other words if twietee is a wolf and is the swapper, the other wolf cannot be the maniac, it has to be the Kami.
- if twietee is a swapper wolf, then the maniac was not in play, and Scepticalscribe's declared protection of QoS couldn't be overcome and she wouldn't have died.
- therefore either twietee is not a wolf, or if he is, he is not a swapper for QoS to be killed under SS protection, since we need the Maniac for that. Since he claimed to have used the swapper power, this should be verifiable.
- this would also indicate that either Ss is infected and she never protected QoS, or moyank is infected and The two extra wolves are the Kami and the Maniac, with the Maniac having used their power to overcome SS protection of QoS
Makes sense? Thoughts?
From what I gather, there can be a Kami, and a regular + power up (maniac). This can easily overcome SS's protection. How do we verify that (swapper used)?
I am inclined to believe that twietee is the infected swapper.
I was just going to ask the same thing.
If our powers are swapped, I'm assuming whomever he was swapping with would be notified?
Also, Twietee wouldn't' have to be infected to be the swapper - it's general pool, so he could be an original and still be the swapper.
We know that 1 of us is a WW - and for SS and I to be one (assuming she is also telling the truth) we would have to be infected, but he wouldn't.
More to the point why I distrust him. Like I said, my original argument stands behind the loss of Seer power. Why come out now as the Swapper instead of before the death of QoS??? Why did we needlessly loose such a power? Seems to counter our efforts not to have saved the Seer power.
Completely agree.
And with all his talk about the hunter, maybe he was trying to lure him out so that power could be swapped to the other wolf?
I just don't know. But Koodauw did a heck of a job with the 4 he chose for the oracle question! There really is a logical argument for all 3 of us.
Edit: Also weird that ucfgrad hasn't come in and said or done anything since the day began. He's been on the site since SS came out as the Guard and kind of turned things upside down. But that is a discussion that can be had once we figure this out.
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Ahem, jav you rigorously defended ss from the start. I read all your excuses or explanations for her as a bit too single sided and some actually just don't make much sense either (ss being less likely a baddie because DP survived Day 1).
There weren't that many player cleared (none) and you do realize that DP dies normally the second night too, right? If I swapped after Plutos lynching to him, who's to say he wouldn't be killed at night in anticipation of the protection? In hindsight I would have acted differently - easy to say adterwards. I didn't reveal my complete plan, but it was solid and our seer could have lasted quite long and not just another day or two . But hey, the roles are visible to everybody, didn't read any posts suggesting a different method to save QoS besides guarding and eventually reviving her too. If there were please show them to me.
Anyway, scepticalscribe.
There weren't that many player cleared (none) and you do realize that DP dies normally the second night too, right? If I swapped after Plutos lynching to him, who's to say he wouldn't be killed at night in anticipation of the protection? In hindsight I would have acted differently - easy to say adterwards. I didn't reveal my complete plan, but it was solid and our seer could have lasted quite long and not just another day or two . But hey, the roles are visible to everybody, didn't read any posts suggesting a different method to save QoS besides guarding and eventually reviving her too. If there were please show them to me.
Anyway, scepticalscribe.
No, there cannot.
There is an alpha (pluto), a Kami and another one, this can be a Maniac OR a another general power, but not both.
If twietee is a swapper, then he Cannot be the maniac, and thus ss protection cannot be overcome.
Either twietee is not the swapper, or scepticalscribe/moyank lied.
Moyank, scepticalscribe, did either of you get your powers swapped?