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WWDC 2009 Banners: 'One Year Later, Light-Years Ahead'
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Light could mean light like "lighter than air" and it could be a netbook designed like the Macbook Air. See that slogan can mean a buch of things...the apple on the phone lighting up, who knows? Can't wait to see either way.
Your statements above are in conflict. You are unintentionally making the case for a Mac app store.
If as many suspect the next gen form factor device runs 10.6 rather than iPhone 3, then you will have a device and a range of computers running 10.6. That ecosystem might benefit from an app store, if only to make distribution as easy and contemperaneous as possible for all.
Look what it did for the current app store and their participants. Maybe under 30% would be fair however.
Rocketman
I was specifically addressing the idea that the upcoming features of Snow Leopard were boring. Sure, SL might not turn out to be great when it's released, but I find the idea of a faster, more reliable Mac OS (on the same hardware) to be exciting. Just like the original poster thought windows 7 was exciting because it (in the current versions he's tried) seemed fast and reliable.
Everybody ignoring the obvious!
I'm shocked that nobody has caught the obvious implication of the poster!
The usage of the term "Light years" and the proliferation of app icons in the poster point to one definite conclusion for me: Apple will announce the brand-new 'Light Pad' multi-touch, iPhone OS 3.x-based computer.
I can't see how this won't happen eventually, and right now seems like the perfect time to bring the product out, with the introduction of iPhone OS 3.0. Developers need to know about the new Light Pad, so that they can design apps to specifically to work with it's screen size, which will be something like six times that of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
(Please don't take me (or this post) too seriously. It's the #1 mistake people make with me.)
I'm shocked that nobody has caught the obvious implication of the poster!
The usage of the term "Light years" and the proliferation of app icons in the poster point to one definite conclusion for me: Apple will announce the brand-new 'Light Pad' multi-touch, iPhone OS 3.x-based computer.
I can't see how this won't happen eventually, and right now seems like the perfect time to bring the product out, with the introduction of iPhone OS 3.0. Developers need to know about the new Light Pad, so that they can design apps to specifically to work with it's screen size, which will be something like six times that of the iPhone/iPod Touch.
(Please don't take me (or this post) too seriously. It's the #1 mistake people make with me.)
...otherwise they would go back in time and would therefore be behind the competition. Phil is going to announce a price drop and security update due to the fact that they couldn't come up with anything as cool as any of the rumor sites.
Depending on the speed that could put them back to, let's see, 1984!
But again, that has to be the worst poster I have ever seen. Maybe it was supposed to represent what happens to you when you try to pass the speed of light.
There are several app directories already, including this one run by Apple.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/
I'm shocked that nobody has caught the obvious implication of the poster!
The usage of the term "Light years" and the proliferation of app icons in the poster point to one definite conclusion for me: Apple will announce the brand-new 'Light Pad' multi-touch, iPhone OS 3.x-based computer.
OK, that was funny!
No, quite the contrary; please allow me to clarify.
3. Why is Apple going to want to deal with all the hassle of dealing with developers, infrastructure, staffing etc?
The size of Mac apps is typically a lot larger than iPhone apps, requiring greater infrastructure commitments. They are also typically more complex than iPhone apps, requiring a more labour intensive review process.
4. People install apps on their Macs far less often than on their iPhones, and Mac apps are released less regularly.
Therefore, the benefits of the ease of use that the app store may bring to a certain group of customers (due to the simple fact that the service is used less frequently) does not outweigh the disadvantages outlined in (3). Further disadvantages are outlined in my other points.
The two, read as I intended them to be, entirely consistent - sorry if I misled you.
Ahh, thought so, cheers. More prominence on that, or maybe integrating it into an "App Store" app, is as far as I'd like Apple to go with this.
Despite my list of points, my core objection is the possibility of the Mac becoming a "closed system" like the iPhone; it is justified on the iPhone, it isn't on the Mac.
Agreed. I am also hoping for the same from SL. Personally I use my computer a heck alot more then my iphone (less when i travel cause the GPS frankly sucks - A HTC with tomtom kills it), so am really hoping that SL will be out asap.
As a developer it would be ideal.
That is as long as it is a flexible alternative way to in stall software. The big deal here is that it gives developers of small time apps the ability to gain economic advantage from those apps while maintain very reasonable costs on the apps price.
You mention Linux and frankly I'm shocked that you don't see some of the same benefits with this Mac app store. IPhone app store is similar to a Linux repo in that there is one place to go for your distro. It is more controlled on app store but the economic incentive has already balloned the number of apps there. For Mac apps store I could see it as even more Linux like. As long as you can install from alternative sources you end up with the best of both worlds.
I'm still wonder what prompted you post though.
Dave
That is as long as it is a flexible alternative way to in stall software. The big deal here is that it gives developers of small time apps the ability to gain economic advantage from those apps while maintain very reasonable costs on the apps price.
Even as a user I would like a Mac app store. If nothing else it saves time.
I would have to say no to that. The problem us distribution, Apple stores can only sell so many titles and alternative distribution is thin.
Who is suggesting that? A mac app store would simply be an alternative to traditional distribution or self installed apps.
You mention Linux and frankly I'm shocked that you don't see some of the same benefits with this Mac app store. IPhone app store is similar to a Linux repo in that there is one place to go for your distro. It is more controlled on app store but the economic incentive has already balloned the number of apps there. For Mac apps store I could see it as even more Linux like. As long as you can install from alternative sources you end up with the best of both worlds.
I'm still wonder what prompted you post though.
Dave
Actually, I was only half-kidding.
I have a hunch that what I wrote might actually come true. I doubt that Apple will release a 'Light Pad' type device at WWDC, but it does seem like a natural next step, and I can't think of a better place and time for them to announce it.
Not to be too negative, but none of these reasons not to do it, count for much in the face of the advantages it would give Apple.
While I agree that the approval process in the app store has some problems in regards to censorship, iTunes media content, as well as most other sources of online content not only regularly censor what can be sold/shown/downloaded they are often full of advertisements as well.
Some sort of digital distribution (hopefully just as a *choice* not as an enforced store), is inevitable. There are always going to be people (I would argue the majority in this case), that do not live anywhere near a store that sells Apple products. It's worth doing just for the increased distribution.
If you take into account the runaway success of the app store for iPhone (and I'm pretty sure this is exactly what they will focus on at WWDC), and the way in which is pushes the platform forward, why *wouldn't* they do this for the Mac? It's pretty clear that people will buy more if the store is in the palm of their hand and if gratification is virtually instantaneous. It also allows for impulse buys that would not normally be made.
When I go to the Apple store, I almost always try to buy something even when I had no previous intention to do so, but if I stay home and never go to the store there is no such enticement. If I can buy the same items from the comfort of my own home, and instantly download and use them, I am reasonably certain that the number of purchases I make will go up.
For instance I bought the new iWork because I use it everyday, but I didn't bother to get iLife 09 because I didn't need it and it only has a few different features. I have lusted after the new iLife a dozen or so times though. If on one of those occaisions when I was reading articles about it or thinking about it, I was directed to a button that would send a copy to me on a single click, who knows?
Well, actually I do know. I would certainly have bought it.
My expectations out of WWDC:
1. Firm date on the iPhone hardware refresh and OS 3.0
My assumptions:
1. Firm date on OS 10.6 rollout in September, one month ahead of the official Windows 7 rollout in October
2. Indicators of Apple moving more heavily into unified content management and distribution
3. Some serious teasers on the mystery device
1. Firm date on the iPhone hardware refresh and OS 3.0
My assumptions:
1. Firm date on OS 10.6 rollout in September, one month ahead of the official Windows 7 rollout in October
2. Indicators of Apple moving more heavily into unified content management and distribution
3. Some serious teasers on the mystery device
The risk as I see it is this; it becomes the de facto standard for installing apps. It's easier, Apple supports it better than the legacy installation methods. Developers need it for visibility. Especially small ones, who gain massive competitive benefits from it. Therefore developers sacrifice their creativity in order to "play by Apple's rules" and the consumer loses out.
Imagine, e.g., an Apple netbook being released with integrated 3G and an AT&T plan. Apple serves apps to it only through a Mac app store. What's going to stop bandwidth-intensive apps being hauled off the app store?
I know this is a worst-case scenario, but it's where we could end up, and it'd be a sad situation.
You're right. Providing Apple doesn't get any negative press because of it (and they won't if it's only an alternative, and thereby doesn't piss off too many consumers) there's certainly no reason for them not to do it, and many very good business reasons to do so.
What's good for Apple isn't necessarily good for the consumer, though, as you acknowledge. For the reasons you gave, I concur that it's an inevitability at some point.
Of course iPhone is important
the iPhone platform represent the growth that Apple is having even now with a global recession. So it is obvious that they would concentrate in that market.
It doesn't mean that they are neglecting their other product lines, it's just what type of resources do you want to dedicate to it.
The most important news that will come out of WWDC in my opinion will be:
1.- Access of the iPod connector in iPhone 3.0. Remember that with the new software, developers will be able to access the connector. There will be a lot of cool things that will come of that. The jingo will no longer: "You have an app for that", it'll be: "You can control it from here"
2.- Snow Leopard will most likely release after Windows 7. Leopard was released after Vista and I expect Apple to wait for Windows 7 to see what vulnerabilities the M$ OS will have before they release their own solution.
3.- A new SDK will be announced for the new Tablet (iBook?) that has rumored these last few months. The basics will be the same as iPhone OS but adapted to the bigger device. The device itself will be announced, but released at a later time.
4.- One more thing... the rumored 4gb and 8gb iPhones at lower costs will most likely be unveiled. I'm almost sure that they will be slightly smaller (3.2" screen instead of 3.5") but with the same resolution as the current iPhone.
What do you think?
the iPhone platform represent the growth that Apple is having even now with a global recession. So it is obvious that they would concentrate in that market.
It doesn't mean that they are neglecting their other product lines, it's just what type of resources do you want to dedicate to it.
The most important news that will come out of WWDC in my opinion will be:
1.- Access of the iPod connector in iPhone 3.0. Remember that with the new software, developers will be able to access the connector. There will be a lot of cool things that will come of that. The jingo will no longer: "You have an app for that", it'll be: "You can control it from here"
2.- Snow Leopard will most likely release after Windows 7. Leopard was released after Vista and I expect Apple to wait for Windows 7 to see what vulnerabilities the M$ OS will have before they release their own solution.
3.- A new SDK will be announced for the new Tablet (iBook?) that has rumored these last few months. The basics will be the same as iPhone OS but adapted to the bigger device. The device itself will be announced, but released at a later time.
4.- One more thing... the rumored 4gb and 8gb iPhones at lower costs will most likely be unveiled. I'm almost sure that they will be slightly smaller (3.2" screen instead of 3.5") but with the same resolution as the current iPhone.
What do you think?
You can't possibly be serious.
"Light-years" refers to a unit of measurementdistance, in this casewhich is used to describe the technological and penetrational difference of the App Store when compared to other app stores.
That's IT for once.
You can't possibly be serious.
"Light-years" refers to a unit of measurement–distance, in this case–which is used to describe the technological and penetrational difference of the App Store when compared to other app stores.
That's IT for once.
oh gosh. i don't mean in a literal sense. i mean in that round about way that apple drops hints.
maybe you should think outside the box rather than think that you are the only one that knows what a light year is.
just trying to throw some ideas out there!
There is so much wrong with your entire posting.
First off, why in heck would it be a bad idea to have a Mac App Store? It's bad enough that Windows has the gaming sector, it's time for Macs to be dominant in this area now. Apple has been neglectful with gaming on Macs. More software available the better.
You ask why Apple would want to deal with the hassles of developers and the like? Well, maybe they would like to increase the Mac market share and make more money and satisfy their customers
You say, "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? Oh, so in other words, keep the Mac platform the way it is, limited on software choice, limited on options for the customer.
Your last line is abysmal, offering more choice for your customer on an already limited platform is always good business.
But they don't!
They never have, other than "something in the air"... ever!Apple never puts hints in their banners; we just make up insane possibilites that are never right!
Light Years Ahead....
I have a theory based on the thinking of "There's something in the Air"....
It could be that they are going to be announcing an iPhone lite or 'Light' smaller and lighter and less storage so they are still 'Light' years ahead... do you see where I am going with this...?
macam
I have a theory based on the thinking of "There's something in the Air"....
It could be that they are going to be announcing an iPhone lite or 'Light' smaller and lighter and less storage so they are still 'Light' years ahead... do you see where I am going with this...?
macam
You still don't get it do you?
In the case of iPhone and app store this may be important as Apple departed from the industry norms and literally went in opposite direction of the mainstream. They did put a lot of distance between themselves and the pack. Frankly it is no different than somebody suggesting a point of interest is two football (American) field lengths away to approximate a distance. Yeah there is a precise distance to go along with the length of a football field but it isn't even considered.
Do I think it will happen - no. But that is due to the lack of rumors more than anything.
Dave
Sure we do. But there are other things in life that are important too. Even then you postion that the science is wrong is suspect.
Unfortunately it is you that are wrong in one year you can end up two light years away from your reference point. All you need to be doing is traveling in opposite directions. That does even take into account expansion of the universe in that time nor superluminal travel.They would prefer to be blissfully ignorant. That's a whole new rant and doesn't belong here.
First I object to the idea that superluminal travel won't be faster in the future. Second you seem to mis the elementary idea that objects can travel in opposite directions.Right, so back to elementary science, no one can travel faster than light. So to move light years in one year is impossible ... POW!!
In the case of iPhone and app store this may be important as Apple departed from the industry norms and literally went in opposite direction of the mainstream. They did put a lot of distance between themselves and the pack. Frankly it is no different than somebody suggesting a point of interest is two football (American) field lengths away to approximate a distance. Yeah there is a precise distance to go along with the length of a football field but it isn't even considered.
Yep hopefully that would be an app store for the Mac. That would do more for Snow Leopard than all the marketing smarts combined. It brings with it developer incentive, ease of keeping your computer uptodate and one stop shopping. It would be awsome if it happened.
Do I think it will happen - no. But that is due to the lack of rumors more than anything.
Dave