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WWDC: New Tiger Features

SiliconAddict said:
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This is going to be the 4th release of OS X with very few changes to the GUI other then adding and removing some of OS X's makeup.
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You're forgetting the implementation of Quartz Extreme, Exposé, Finder Sidebar, CoreImage and other performance/GUI changes they've made since 10.0. Under the hood stuff counts, too.

Sure, graphically it looks pretty much the same, but to say they've made "very few changes" undermines the importance of the changes they have made.
 
What I think is a must have improvement in the Tiger is virtual desktops. I wonder why apple doesn't want to implent that feature, it's in every flavor of unix.
 
Let's face it, for anyone who cares about the Tiger preview, there's enough here to get us to upgrade, especially with the pace of updates slowing down.

A little disappointing to see that Safari updates will have to wait for the OS. Looks like Firefox is going to leave it in the dust.
 
macridah said:
Good catch. Also, steve said he bumped into bill gates and he said their relationship was better than ever. Then apple has all those posters taking swings at microsoft.
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The posters were to pump up the developers getting them into fun and winning state of mind. I would really doubt that they will be shown on TV or the mags in the future.
 
Pulled the trigger!

Few have mentioned the significance of the Nvidia 6800 Ultra for the Macintosh! When I ordered my dream system today (Dual 2.5GHz + 23" Al Cinema Display), I also added the state-of-the-art 6800 Ultra. Thank goodness I didn't have to settle for the ATI 9800 Pro when that was top-of-the-line a few months ago. Too bad I have to wait until August.
 
Is this a record?

Is this a record for FEWEST number of posts to threads about WWDC releases? Usually there are tons and tons by now! I guess people aren't too happy, and aside from some nifty features in tiger to come out NEXT YEAR, they have no reason to be.
 
i bet if apple held off on releasing the new g5s and airport express until today there would have been a lot more positive feedback about wwdc. well i'm sure glad they didn't.

as for today? well its a developers conference, and the things that are under the hood of tiger look pretty impressive... i mean for christ sake guys, we're going to have a 64 bit os! and your whining that features such as dashboard arn't worth your money. well fine, i wouldn't pay 2 cents for a konfabulator or launchbar/quicksilver ripoff either, but i'd gladly fork over my 130$ for a 64 BIT OS!!!

not to mention all the other technology that they are putting into it.

most of you think that buying these os updates are all for the things that you "see" and "use" like expose and now dashboard... well what about the apps you use beyond the os that are updated later to be in sync with the os? when you pay for an os update your automatically recieving the ability to get updates on all your other software. keep that in mind, i know i will when i'm running my 64 BIT version of protools and digital performer.
 
GeeYouEye said:
On the plus side XCode 2 looks like it's going to kick ass. I wonder if one will be able to chart graphically to generate code... now THAT would be beyond wonderful.
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what i have read it does only the painting the diagrams after you programmed it and changes the diagramms the same time when you are typing... sounds pretty good to me especially the updating thing (which doesn't work very good in other ides)

but i guess it will take another few xcode versions untill it works the other way around which is ...hands down...more complicated (i remeber rational can do this up to some point)

the more i read about whats new 'under the hood' in tiger the more i am impressed (from the developer side of view)
 
Stella said:
Tiger doesn't look that exciting..

iChat -> no better compatibility for other IMs... Great you have can a video conference with 3 people.. but do you know 3 people with iChat + video cameras?!!
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Yes I do actually, can't wait! :)

Also Tiger has a 64bit kernel--if thats not BIG than i don't know what your looking for...

Don't forget that Tiger won't be out til the first half of 2005, which gives apple a little over half a year to add more stuff...

I'm excited!

Now where are the iMacs?! ;)
 
arn said:
This will just go into my list of things that people thought were fake but were real.

Goes to show that a) "Apple wouldn't make something like that" and b) "I can make a screen like this myself" are NOT reasons that something is fake.

arn
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Yep. I'm going out to buy a new trilby and some humble pie tomorrow. Dinner will be fun.
 
Random Thoughts.....

Konfabulator - I tried it, it was amusing. It's hard to justify paying for it tho. The functionality provided that I actually used is not really worth paying for. Also, I don't see any problem w/ Apple competing with a FOR FEE product. It's like ripping on Open Office for copying MS Office. If Konfabulator is sufficiently better than Dashboard and provides enough additional benefit to justify the cost, it will stay around. I personally don't care as Dashboard seems sufficient for me.

Searching - Not a big deal to me either. I organize my HD meticulously and have since the early days of DOS and Linux. (Yeah, I admit, I used to use linux....). I tend to have no problems with locating whatever document I want.

64-bit - Another non-issue w/ me. This is only going to be a real factor if you use applications that need to address more than 4GB of RAM. I don't.

At this point, I didn't see a lot of new eye candy in Tiger. This is fine. The OS looks good as it is. It doesn't need a major UI facelift. What OS X needs is more work under the hood. Things for developers, like Core Image. Code optimizations, speed increases.

I think Apple needs to focus on the following:

- Continue improving security
- Performance optimizations
- Continue increasing stability

I do find it very curious that it is still 8-12 months from release. It looks like the features advertised are all there now. Granted, it may be a bit buggy, but 8-12 months is a LONG time and ALOT of code can be written/fixed.......after all, this was the amount of time between Jaguar and Panther....So...what's going on here?

WWDC is for developers. Hence, a little eye candy was shown (Dashboard), but most of it was new API's for Devs. MWSF is for the general fanboys. The hype from Tiger will have died down by then and with the release coming up, Apple will probably be previewing Tiger at MWSF and announcing some really cool end user eye candy, with Tiger slated for immediate availability following the Keynote.

- Kelson
 
my 2 cents

I thought the improvements to iChat AV were cool, but other than that I'm not salivating too much (yet). I'm imagining that since the release is a ways off there will be other features added between now and then. There is shareware that does RSS feeds, and shareware that covers the widgets. Why are these touted as features of a new operating system? The search capability looks cool, but I have never had difficulty finding stuff on my Panther OS. So I'm left scratching my head at the utility of the upgrade. I'm certain that Redmond doesn't think they have a problem now, as the event posters suggest.

lefty
 
macridah said:
Good catch. Also, steve said he bumped into bill gates and he said their relationship was better than ever. Then apple has all those posters taking swings at microsoft.
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Its called "Humour"....
 
Developer Preview?

Hello,

I have a friend that's willing to copy his preview disc for me, but I have a question:

A) Can you just upgrade it after the real public release/is it a full release?
B) Do you have to register it/enter any serial codes?

/I know, dumb question.
 
on second thought...

The more I think about Spotlight, the cooler it seems. It is like Googling your hard drive. People often start with Google regardless of what they want to do on the web, such as shopping, doing research, looking for a file to download, etc.

lefty
 
blorp said:
I do not see the $129 (more for me, because I'm Canadian) cost justification for Tiger. The only useful thing that it has for me is Automator.
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There is always a cynic in the crowd.

I am always happy to get a new Mac OS. It isn't always about the glitzy technologies. It's the whole package. (Not to mention every OS release my computer seems faster...unlike Redmond's OS.) For example, currently the little iSync application for .Mac has completely changed my computer experience (in a good way) in ways I could have never imagined. That is just one simple little app for the whole Mac OS. [Apple is now going to integrate iSync into the OS too!!]

When you add nice features like that plus 150 new features the user experience increases exponentially. I for one am very excited about this release. It will undoubtedly get better by next year before it is available too.

Also, I think that this update is all about the 64 bit. When it comes closer and the optimizations start happening I think we are going to see the REAL power of the G5!
 
In the Unix part of the Tiger preview site, it says that the kernel is upgraded. Does anybody know what upgrade it received? Did Apple drop Mach and go for a pure FreeBSD monolithic kernel? If so, will the FreeBSD kernel offer a lot more performance?
 
I am not a developer, but I was excited just thinking about what the freelance boffins with the new development stuff in Tiger will be able to do with apps and so on for the benefit of us end users. It looks like under the hood, Tiger is going way into the 21st century, and still allow for apps to be compiled for the benefit of G3, G4 and G5s - which will bring the OS 9 brigade with older machines (still the main Mac OS user base) into the OSX fold in droves.

IMO Panther was a big step up from Jaguar in terms of how smoothly it works, and if the same change in gear can be achieved with Tiger even with the same sort of functions, then that is fine by me and the Cupertino slush fund can have my $129

The search feature in the menubar will give me one less reason to use the finder. which is great. iTunes is definitely a very clever amabssador for switchers, It will be easy to explain how easy it is to find your way around OS X, you just have to say that most of OSX and the integrated apps work like iTunes - people will know what you are talking about far easier than ever before.

Just wait for the correct time for hardware to be released ie not at a developer conference (duh which Wall Street analysts thought the iMac was coming out today?) and sit back and enjoy Apple's continued attack on the PC/Windows/music/digital everything world.
 
jettredmont said:
As Steve made abundantly clear in the keynote, the key benefit of Dashboard is that things appear when you want them to and dissappear just as quickly. There was even a slide which said just about precisely that. Konfabulator, even with it's last-week "Konspose" addition does NOT do that! Sure, you can make all your widgets come up when you want them to (in a "special" mode via F8), but they're still (by design) active and visible 100% of the time, taking up window space and cluttering your desktop.
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Oh i see... adding a feature or two the original did not have makes it less of a rip off, got ya. Now it makes sense... no wait it doesn't. Saying something with conviction doesn't make it correct.

This is a konfabulator 'inspired' app, that's the bottom line, like it or not.
 
I'm betting we'll see some new apps in January at MWSF to go along with Tiger. Maybe iLife '05:D. Office app? :confused:

Yep...everyone start your MWSF wishlists!
 
Is Safari now tied to the OS? I think they should just release a new RSS version, when it's ready.

Where have I seen this kind of behavior before?
 
goglamosh said:
In the Unix part of the Tiger preview site, it says that the kernel is upgraded. Does anybody know what upgrade it received? Did Apple drop Mach and go for a pure FreeBSD monolithic kernel? If so, will the FreeBSD kernel offer a lot more performance?
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No, switching to FreeBSD would mean all your apps would stop working on Tiger! Mach, while perhaps sacrificing a little speed, provides a lot of flexibility. A monolithic kernel isn't always the best solution, besides, Mach was designed from the begining for MP machines...

I think everything apple anounced today for Tiger are what developers needed to know about (new APIs and plug-in architectures). Things non-developers need to know about (the glitz and wow) will be revealed in MWSF where it belongs...
 
I haven't read any of the rumors about tiger, so I'm impressed. I like the style. I like the style of the gadgets. Even the little things are great, like the reflections in ichat av. Beautiful.
 
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