iPhone XS Max XS max vs note 9

[TheMountainLife]

Most have derailed from the OP's question as usual but its at least interesting to read how others use their devices differently.

I'm slightly spoiled and get the best of both worlds since my personal phone is droid and my work provides us all with iOS devices. I'd say go for the Note. I really enjoy using Samsung Pay on my gear and Galaxy. It replicates the magnetic stripe on your card which allows it to work everywhere your card would be accepted, even if the business doesn't support mobile payments. Has saved me many times I left my wallet in the car or at home.

I no longer invest in "ecosystems" for the assumption things will be more convenient. (the forums here, reddit and elsewhere proves that) Majority of the things we access these days are cross platform and only a login or download away.

 

[neil74]

Facebook are too big for google to swoop in and buy it.

I actually would have rather Google got it. I think we would have had multi-device support by now, Facebook have changed very little and seem too wary of encroaching on messenger. If Apple ever rolled iMessage beyond OSX/iOS then WhatsApp would be in trouble. Anyway I digress.....

 

[Bertolus]

iOS is a great OS, but it seriously lacks some features. For example it sucks that iOS doesn’t allow background downloads. If an app needs to download a larger amount of data, you basically have to keep that app open until it’s finished downloading. On Android you just close the app and let it do the downloading in the background while you can do something productive on your phone in the meantime.

 

[bushman4]

two similar phones with big differences
It’s a matter of preferences

 

[Shanghaichica]

I actually would have rather Google got it. I think we would have had multi-device support by now, Facebook have changed very little and seem too wary of encroaching on messenger. If Apple ever rolled iMessage beyond OSX/iOS then WhatsApp would be in trouble. Anyway I digress.....

Oh yes I agree it would have been better if google had bought it instead of Facebook.

 

[Vivian125]

What's everyone thoughts? I know this will probably end in a war but can anyone here really say the XS Max is better than the note? I've owned both since launch day and can honestly say the only thing about the iPhone that's better is the battery life. Other than that Note absolutely destroys it in every way.

Am I the only one that thinks this?

ALL iOS Users DONT Really Care about Android offers either..

Because, android gets VIRUS much often than iOS. And its much slower even the Note 9 can be sometimes just as slow like 4S on latest software in some areas like keeping apps at a same time or something like that.

But among all Android, You are safe with SAMSUNG (Samsung has protection against virus) While other brands of Android phones such as OPPO, VIVO, ASUS, Xiaomi, those phones and other unpopular brand of android are supper slow who copies Samsung that starts android. If your into ANDROID only PICK SAMSUNG..

at the end of the day if those Apple and Samsung are actors they are the MAIN ACTORS or LEADING ROLE
While other BRands of Android phones and other iOS wanna be androids or trying hard to be apple just like Oppo, Vivo, Sony, Asus, are Supporting ROLE in movie.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Most have derailed from the OP's question as usual but its at least interesting to read how others use their devices differently.

I'm slightly spoiled and get the best of both worlds since my personal phone is droid and my work provides us all with iOS devices. I'd say go for the Note. I really enjoy using Samsung Pay on my gear and Galaxy. It replicates the magnetic stripe on your card which allows it to work everywhere your card would be accepted, even if the business doesn't support mobile payments. Has saved me many times I left my wallet in the car or at home.

I no longer invest in "ecosystems" for the assumption things will be more convenient. (the forums here, reddit and elsewhere proves that) Majority of the things we access these days are cross platform and only a login or download away.

The MTS feature is great and I think if we used it in the UK it would be a factor when deciding between Samsung and Apple. However for us we only use chip and pin so we can only use NFC based payments. Apple Pay, Samsung Pay and google pay all work in the same places.

 

[FFR]

COLLECTED BY GOOGLE using CHROME BROWSER; last few words of #58 and right next to the dang chart. Are you that dense you can't even bother to read what you posted as your "evidence?"

Wow. Android fanbois are getting really desperate to discredit Apple with a laughable argument that Apple's privacy is in the same ballpark as bad as Google's.

At least Apple doesn't back door remotely into your phone without your knowledge or permission https://www.businessinsider.com/goo...attery-settings-on-some-android-phones-2018-9

Dont bother replying wont wasting my time further as your intentions are clear.

I wouldn’t bother any further either, it’s obvious to anyone reading that he is trying desperately to validate his purchase.

He even looked at iPhone X’s pricing compared to the note, which he claims to have purchased at 450 dollars at launch.

Looks like he really wants an iPhone max and just can’t pull the trigger for reasons that are quite clear, price.

 

[tonybarnaby]

ALL iOS Users DONT Really Care about Android offers either..

Because, android gets VIRUS much often than iOS. And its much slower even the Note 9 can be sometimes just as slow like 4S on latest software in some areas like keeping apps at a same time or something like that.

But among all Android, You are safe with SAMSUNG (Samsung has protection against virus) While other brands of Android phones such as OPPO, VIVO, ASUS, Xiaomi, those phones and other unpopular brand of android are supper slow who copies Samsung that starts android. If your into ANDROID only PICK SAMSUNG..

at the end of the day if those Apple and Samsung are actors they are the MAIN ACTORS or LEADING ROLE
While other BRands of Android phones and other iOS wanna be androids or trying hard to be apple just like Oppo, Vivo, Sony, Asus, are Supporting ROLE in movie.

I’m sorry, but most of this is completely false and pulled out of thin air.

 

[I7guy]

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I bought my Note9 512gb at $450 on contract plan whereas Max 512gb costs $1100 on same plan. Even if I lose 50% resale value I wouldnt be much worse off comparing if Max loses 25% resale value .

Either the note 9 isn’t selling and this is a fire sale or the msrp of the note 9 is horribly inflated.

 

[tonybarnaby]

Either the note 9 isn’t selling and this is a fire sale or the msrp of the note 9 is horribly inflated.

He got some insane one of a kind deal. No where I know is selling it for that price. Most likely he got a subsidy from work or something else, but he’s not explaining it.

 

[FFR]

Guess the note 9 is another failure for Samsung this year.

“Samsung’s mobile division will see operating profit drop for a third quarter in a row, hurt by sluggish demand for smartphones as the market matures. Marketing costs for its new Galaxy Note series also pressured mobile earnings”

Looks like all the freebies and heavily discounted note 9s at launch are negatively impacting Samsung mobiles bottom line. Good thing Samsung semiconductor and Samsung display are picking up the slack.

“Galaxy S9 device missed sales targets and competition from cheaper Chinese-made phones ate into margins for its mobile business.”

First S9 and now note 9, not a good year so far for Samsung mobile. Judging from the amount of galaxy users switching to the iPhone X’s max and other devices, this current quarter isn’t looking any better either.

Guess all the features mentioned above didn’t make much difference to consumers at the end of the day.

Either the note 9 isn’t selling and this is a fire sale or the msrp of the note 9 is horribly inflated.

It could be all of the above as well.
But going from Samsung’s financials it doesn’t look good at all.

 

[nrvna76]

Guess the note 9 is another failure for Samsung this year.

“Samsung’s mobile division will see operating profit drop for a third quarter in a row, hurt by sluggish demand for smartphones as the market matures. Marketing costs for its new Galaxy Note series also pressured mobile earnings”

Looks like all the freebies and heavily discounted note 9s at launch are negatively impacting Samsung mobiles bottom line. Good thing Samsung semiconductor and Samsung display are picking up the slack.

“Galaxy S9 device missed sales targets and competition from cheaper Chinese-made phones ate into margins for its mobile business.”

First S9 and now note 9, not a good year so far for Samsung mobile. Judging from the amount of galaxy users switching to the iPhone X’s max and other devices, this current quarter isn’t looking any better either.

Guess all the features mentioned above didn’t make much difference to consumers at the end of the day.



It could be all of the above as well.
But going from Samsung’s financials it doesn’t look good at all.

They are still focusing on the wrong thing.. I think Apple has proven that people aren't buying smartphones for one killer feature anymore. They want customer service, software support, privacy, an ecosystem, etc.. all of which Samsung is more than capable of providing (save maybe privacy) and took a step in that direction with the bixby speaker. Samsung's hardware is fantastic for their top end phones, there is no leap in hardware that will solve their problem.

 

[UnifiedMelody]

What's everyone thoughts? I know this will probably end in a war but can anyone here really say the XS Max is better than the note? I've owned both since launch day and can honestly say the only thing about the iPhone that's better is the battery life. Other than that Note absolutely destroys it in every way.

Am I the only one that thinks this?

iphone xs max i have it currently i think its rather overkill as theres no standout differentiator as a whole... considering i was looking at the xs and xs max side by side it looks like the xs max just had a magnification and theres no substantial differentiator now in the normal vs max size apart batt and screen size only.

So technically most ppl who are sensitive to the price will find the xs better since the xs max isnt really “displaying” more content from my experience. I kinda bought it but im stuck with it anyways.

 

[FFR]

They are still focusing on the wrong thing.. I think Apple has proven that people aren't buying smartphones for one killer feature anymore. They want customer service, software support, privacy, an ecosystem, etc.. all of which Samsung is more than capable of providing (save maybe privacy) and took a step in that direction with the bixby

No idea what software support is btw.

It’s not a question of capable. Samsung does not have customer service, hardware support, privacy, or an ecosystem comparable to what apple offers and sales reflect that.

Your probably one of 20 people that believe Bixby is a step in the right direction. It is a universally derided feature, universally derided by Samsung users. And once more sales reflect that.

Just hop on to android central and have a look at the bixby thread.

Samsung's hardware is fantastic for their top end phones, there is no leap in hardware that will solve their problem.

That is simply not true. Samsung’s current hardware is outdated for 2018. And sales are reflecting that.

I don’t want to argue this point because I have listed on more than one occasion the reasons why Samsung hardware is outdated compared to what apple offers in 2018.

At this point it’s pretty cut and dry.

 

[FFR]

iphone xs max i have it currently i think its rather overkill as theres no standout differentiator as a whole... considering i was looking at the xs and xs max side by side it looks like the xs max just had a magnification and theres no substantial differentiator now in the normal vs max size apart batt and screen size only.

So technically most ppl who are sensitive to the price will find the xs better since the xs max isnt really “displaying” more content from my experience. I kinda bought it but im stuck with it anyways.

You have two weeks to return it. No reason to be “stuck” with an expensive device.

 

[Shanghaichica]

They are still focusing on the wrong thing.. I think Apple has proven that people aren't buying smartphones for one killer feature anymore. They want customer service, software support, privacy, an ecosystem, etc.. all of which Samsung is more than capable of providing (save maybe privacy) and took a step in that direction with the bixby speaker. Samsung's hardware is fantastic for their top end phones, there is no leap in hardware that will solve their problem.

That’s what Samsung would need to do but I don’t think they can do it. They are good at making hardware but I think that is where it ends. Excellent hardware but there is more to a device than simply hardware.
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No idea what software support is btw.

It’s not a question of capable. Samsung does not have customer service, hardware support, privacy, or an ecosystem comparable to what apple offers and sales reflect that.

Your probably one of 20 people that believe Bixby is a step in the right direction. It is a universally derided feature, universally derided by Samsung users. And once more sales reflect that.

Just hop on to android central and have a look at the bixby thread.



That is simply not true. Samsung’s current hardware is outdated for 2018. And sales are reflecting that.

I don’t want to argue this point because I have listed on more than one occasion the reasons why Samsung hardware is outdated compared to what apple offers in 2018.

At this point it’s pretty cut and dry.

Bixby isn’t very good but the main problem is that it’s just not needed. If you’re on android you’re going to use the google Assistant. It’s too late in the day for Samsung to be trying to establish an assistant even if it were any good.

 

[nrvna76]

No idea what software support is btw.

It’s not a question of capable. Samsung does not have customer service, hardware support, privacy, or an ecosystem comparable to what apple offers and sales reflect that.

Your probably one of 20 people that believe Bixby is a step in the right direction. It is a universally derided feature, universally derided by Samsung users. And once more sales reflect that.

Just hop on to android central and have a look at the bixby thread.



That is simply not true. Samsung’s current hardware is outdated for 2018. And sales are reflecting that.

I don’t want to argue this point because I have listed on more than one occasion the reasons why Samsung hardware is outdated compared to what apple offers in 2018.

At this point it’s pretty cut and dry.

Software updates is a better term I suppose.

I am not saying that Bixby as an assistant is any good, I've never used it but I have seen the reviews. I mean, having a Samsung smart speaker, added to the iconX, and galaxy watch is moving toward an 'ecosystem' even though it doesn't rival Apple's.

I don't see how stating something is not true makes it so. Most people would argue that Samsung's hardware offering's are not outdated. State it as a fact all you want but many will disagree. I think if Samsung already had the things I mentioned and released the same Note 9 or S9, they would sell a whole lot more of them.
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That’s what Samsung would need to do but I don’t think they can do it. They are good at making hardware but I think that is where it ends. Excellent hardware but there is more to a device than simply hardware.
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Bixby isn’t very good but the main problem is that it’s just not needed. If you’re on android you’re going to use the google Assistant. It’s too late in the day for Samsung to be trying to establish an assistant even if it were any good.

I'm not sure they can either, not without a big time partnership with google and ditching 'experience' type stuff. Just stating that it's more complicated than boo Samsung, yay Apple.. which is what most of these threads devolve into.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Software updates is a better term I suppose.

I am not saying that Bixby as an assistant is any good, I've never used it but I have seen the reviews. I mean, having a Samsung smart speaker, added to the iconX, and galaxy watch is moving toward an 'ecosystem' even though it doesn't rival Apple's.

I don't see how stating something is not true makes it so. Most people would argue that Samsung's hardware offering's are not outdated. State it as a fact all you want but many will disagree. I think if Samsung already had the things I mentioned and released the same Note 9 or S9, they would sell a whole lot more of them.
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I'm not sure they can either, not without a big time partnership with google and ditching 'experience' type stuff. Just stating that it's more complicated than boo Samsung, yay Apple.. which is what most of these threads devolve into.

They’ve had the watch and icon x for years. I’ve owned Samsung phones and tablets at the same time in the past and there really were no benefits to owning two devices from the same company. They seem to have all the pieces but aside from the watch and the phone they don’t seem to be working that well together.

Samsung make great phones and if it were only about a phone then I think Samsung could sell more.

Samsung have tried in the past to build up their own ecosystem and at one point it was rumoured that they wanted to ditch android and use tizen but google shot them down.

 

[maka344]

Privacy is a myth in today’s world.

Forget about it and move on.

 

[1144557]

I wouldn’t bother any further either, it’s obvious to anyone reading that he is trying desperately to validate his purchase.

He even looked at iPhone X’s pricing compared to the note, which he claims to have purchased at 450 dollars at launch.

Looks like he really wants an iPhone max and just can’t pull the trigger for reasons that are quite clear, price.

Im not, clown can't even read his own "evidence" which is showing how crappy Google is with collecting stuff from your phone via Android, and it's apps (specifically Chrome) on iOS.

It's proving my point directly how much better iOS is on not collecting data; 4.5 times better than Android and 2.5 times better using Safari rather than Chrome.

It's mindboggling really when its stated in the text and right in the dang picture if you were too lazy to read it.

Rather sad Android fanboys now have to make stuff up after I just got done saying in a rather fair analysis that Id consider using Android if it wasn't like this purely because of Google

He got some insane one of a kind deal. No where I know is selling it for that price. Most likely he got a subsidy from work or something else, but he’s not explaining it.

Not the full story at all. A $999 device for $450 would be a suicide business strategy. If the Max costs around $430 to build the Note 9 is likely in that ballpark, so selling at what it costs to make is not reality.

But I do agree, some of the deals out there are because they aren't selling. If the Note was "so good" or "so much better" then they'd be selling like hotcakes even at full price being less than the Max; and especially at a discount by store/carrier. Who wouldn't buy the "better" phone for less money?

There are no iPhone sales typically because they sell all day long at regular price. This is the same story every year

But I suspect rather that cheap big screen Chinese phones are eating Samsung S9/+/Note line for lunch right now when you can get 80-90% of the phone for under 60% of the cost. On iOS that doesn't exist.

 

[D.T.]

For example it sucks that iOS doesn’t allow background downloads. If an app needs to download a larger amount of data, you basically have to keep that app open until it’s finished downloading.

Sure it does, if coded to accommodate the requirement - specifically via URLSession() - in fact, that runs as a process separate from the app, so that even if the app is backgrounded, or even suspended, it can complete (obviously, there's no callback to a terminated app, so the presence of the file would have to be accounted for when the app inits again).

 

[jamezr]

But I do agree, some of the deals out there are because they aren't selling. If the Note was "so good" or "so much better" then they'd be selling like hotcakes even at full price being less than the Max; and especially at a discount by store/carrier. Who wouldn't buy the "better" phone for less money?

There are no iPhone sales typically because they sell all day long at regular price. This is the same story every year

But I suspect rather that cheap big screen Chinese phones are eating Samsung S9/+/Note line for lunch right now when you can get 80-90% of the phone for under 60% of the cost. On iOS that doesn't exist.

So sales numbers decide if a phone is good or not?

But there are iphone BOGO deals at just about every carrier in the US at some point after the iphone launches. That qualifies as "going on sale".....

I agree with you that the lower priced Android phone makers are eating at Samsung market share quite a bit.
That is who their true competition is imho.


Samsung is losing market share to Huawei globally. Huawei surpassed Apple in phone sales. So by your sales analogy are Huawei phones better? See how you can't use sales as an analogy of better?

Both the Note 9 and iPhone Xs Max are great phones. They both have great point and both have not so great points.
It just comes down to user preferences.

 

[FFR]

Software updates is a better term I suppose.

I am not saying that Bixby as an assistant is any good, I've never used it but I have seen the reviews. I mean, having a Samsung smart speaker, added to the iconX, and galaxy watch is moving toward an 'ecosystem' even though it doesn't rival Apple's.

No.
Ecosystem: handoff, continuity, facetime, imessage, itunes media store, iCloud, Apple Music, copy paste between devices, Apple TV, airdrop, macs, homepods,Apple Watch, HomeKit, AirPods and switching beteen devices, Siri commands specially asking Siri to find an iPhone or AirPods., phone calls on all devices, sms forwarding to all device.

I’m pretty sure there are more if anybody wishes to add.

So to reiterate, once more, No not even close and especially not how those devices work together like apples ecosystem does.

Software updates is a better term I suppose.

I don't see how stating something is not true makes it so. Most people would argue that Samsung's hardware offering's are not outdated. State it as a fact all you want but many will disagree. I think if Samsung already had the things I mentioned and released the same Note 9 or S9, they would sell a whole lot more of them.
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It is not true I’m just tired of constantly repeating myself. Here knock yourself out.

Out dated hardware:

That’s because note 9 uses cheaper components.

Such as:
512 gb of ufs storage is cheaper than 512 gb of nvme.
10 ne vs 7nm processor with an 8 core npu
Aluminum vs stainless steel
2d facial recognition vs 3D facial recognition
6.4 inch display bezeled vs 6.5 inch Edge to edge bezeless display
No dual sim
Cant record 4K for more than 5 min
Does not support Dolby vision.

I feel that the xs max merits more than an extra £350 over the note 9.

In fact I feel that the note 9 is completely overpriced for what it offers and sales reflect that.

Enjoy whatever device you finally land on.

Perhaps if it wasn’t outdated it would support atleast Dolby vision and 4K at 60fps.

So yes outdated.

 

[1144557]

So sales numbers decide if a phone is good or not?

But there are iphone BOGO deals at just about every carrier in the US at some point after the iphone launches. That qualifies as "going on sale".....

I agree with you that the lower priced Android phone makers are eating at Samsung market share quite a bit.
That is who their true competition is imho.


Samsung is losing market share to Huawei globally. Huawei surpassed Apple in phone sales. So by your sales analogy are Huawei phones better? See how you can't use sales as an analogy of better?

Both the Note 9 and iPhone Xs Max are great phones. They both have great point and both have not so great points.
It just comes down to user preferences.

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Not really, that's the carrier taking a loss to get a new line; not the MSRP being reduced by the Manufacturer. ie. to remove carrier/store discounts that they eat, the s9+ was released at $840 through Samsung direct at launch; now on their site it's $739.99 only 6 months later. Clearly if they were selling well the manufacturer wouldn't need to crank the MSRP down $100 only after 6 months.

Huawei only makes 1 "flagship" device over $600 that I'm aware of; the P20 Pro right now. That is not really the same argument at all, 99.9% of their devices are not in the same class of device. Their business model is McDonalds; sell high high volume of cheap stuff.