Since using Clicktoflash (flash blocker) i've noticed that streaming HD video i rarely get above 40c on the CPU and 35 on the GPU. Evil Flash!
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Yes, your MacBook Pro is running too hot, and yes, it is Apple's fault.
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Explain. The heatsink system used on the 2006-2011 MBP is clearly not of high quality. The rMBP has a greatly redesigned heatsink system, which I'm investigating further.
Are you stating that nobody should expect to be able to 100% utilize their Macbook Pro?
That's a matter of opinion. I've owned MBPs witin that time frame and my laptops did not exhibit any issues with heat.
Did some people's laptops run too hot yes. Do some current owners pf MBPs run hot now? Yes.
Bottom line is if you're laptop is not running hot, enjoy it, if it is then reach out to apple for warranty work.
If you are doing tasks that generate so much heat all of the time you should use a desktop for those tasks
Such as watching a full screen flash video? How dare I.
Playing a game on my Macbook Pro. How dare I.
Encoding a family video, likely shot at 1080p if the camcorder has even somewhat been lately released. How dare I.
I find it very curious that there is a decent percentage of the Apple community that honestly do not expect to be able to fully utilize their system, and are in fact ok with that.
Maflynn, for those people outside of warranty, that perhaps bought an Apple second hand, what is their recourse?
I generally fully leverage my MBP on occasion and I'm quite happy with the performance and how it deals with the heat. Do I push the machine 100% all the time, i.e., run prime95 for hours, no. I have better uses of my time, but when I do run stuff that ramps up the CPU it handles it just fine.
I've not felt the need to open it up and examine the heat sync or reapply the thermal compound as the laptop works as advertised.
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If this was a design issue as you claim, this would have shown up while in warranty. If they waited until after the warranty period either by procrastination or changing computing habits that now push the laptop harder or purchased it second hand - they'll have to pay for the repair. Why should apple fix a 3 year old computer that's out of warranty because someone bought it second hand?
The same thing occurs with cars (and everything else), if my car is not working and either I don't notice it within the warranty period or put it off or buy it second hand, its on me, not Honda to fix it.
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I disagree. Very easily can it be seen that a person would purchase a 2011 (they still sell them Refurbished on the Apple Store) MacBook Pro, come here, and be told "oh don't worry, it's fine" and ignore a problem festering away.
They later decide to sell that laptop a year down the line, post warranty, and now it's the next person's problem.
The status quo here very much appears to be if you come in and state that you feel your Apple Notebook is running hot, you will be told "it's normal" when clearly - it isn't normal, in any sense of the word outside of "Apple"
*edit* I should also point out that I'm now putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak. I've listed an ad on Craigslist here locally offering to perform this service free of charge, taking 100% responsibility for any damages I may cause (supremely unlikely), in writing. As long as they bring me a functioning laptop, I'll run a 30 minute Prime95 test with Intel's Power Gadget running, perform the repair, and run a 30 minute Prime95 again with Intel's Power Gadget running, to take note of the difference.
I only ask they let me do what I will with the data gleaned.
I'm not sure I understand the point of this post.
What I am saying is that there is no inherent design flaw with the MBPs, too many of us MBPs owners have not reported a heat issue. Those that do certainly can do one or two things. Within the warranty get it repaired, outside of the warranty get it repaired (either by doing it them self or paying someone).
To summarize, my opinion is that MBPs do not have a design flaw or issues with heat mitigation. If a laptop is running too hot get it checked out and/or repaired. I can't speak for everyone but I'm not advocating its fine to ignore but rather getting it repaired.
If you want to create a business to offer repairs or re-apply the thermal compound that's fine and good luck but I will say this thread that you created seems more self serving for you then, i.e., trying to generate news and information that will benefit your fledging business.
The problem is Doward is that you very much assume all MBP`s perform similar to yours; right now watching a fullscreen Flash Video, 30-40 tabs open in Safari, Excel, App Store, Intel Power monitor, Activity Monitor, several Finder windows, a VPN helper, ClamXav sentry, Little Snitch, a Downloader, across four Spaces. Ambient temperature is 27C and the system is running at 62C, fans at 2K, this is not my Mid 2012 2.3 Retina, this is my Late 2011 2.4 15" MBP 62C is not unreasonable given the load, the system is just slightly warm to the touch and has not been down in over a month, too hot possibly, unreasonably no not at all...
The Late 2011 MBP, plays games reasonably well, equally I am not expecting gaming desktop performance. I can play "The Witcher 2" on it at high setting, Ultra for the Retina, neither slowdown to the point where the game is unplayable. We still have an old Early 2008 2.4 Penryn 15" MBP and this likely would benefit from a clean up and thermal paste replacing as it`s been running 24/7 since it left Apple in 08, equally as some have stated it`s not worth the investment in time, as it still runs reasonably cool. My daughter often plays Flash based games on the 08 MBP without too much drama. As I say not all Mac`s are equal and Apple gets it wrong in some instance, as does any major manufacturer.
Indeed, my old HP computer for work would really ramp up in temperature. I also have experiences with Dell and how hot those babies got. Does that mean all Dell laptops ran too hot, no, but mine got very toasty. MY personal experience does not equate to a systemic issue across the complete line of Dells.
Research, not business. I make significantly more than 'free' per hour.
I'm not interested in doing this as a business, by any means. I'd much rather Apple simply increase the quality of their heatsink system.
Research, not business. I make significantly more than 'free' per hour.
I'm not interested in doing this as a business, by any means. I'd much rather Apple simply increase the quality of their heatsink system.
Your deleted post from yesterday (Mods removed it) said otherwise, you were asking for money for your services.
Same here I have numerous years of experience living with corporate Laptop`s/Notebooks, I only ever had one Dell that ran overly hot, equally it still got the job done, certainly a machine that you wouldn't want to be on the lap for any length of time
Now I work for myself, I use Mac`s, preferring the Retina, I still need to retain one physical Windows 7 system and have a ThinkPad T430u for that purpose, it`s fast enough for the task at hand, runs silent & cool thanks to it`s ULV CPU and full scale cooling system.Many MBP owners have never had issue at all including my own Retina, standard and classic MBP, I rather believe this applies to the majority of owners. Unfortunately a minority do have problems, however this does not apply to every MBP manufactured.
One of the things with forums in general is people mostly come to solve issue, in some case complain, and a minority just to whine. This is the very nature of forums, it`s the same every time Apple release a major revision; You can perform the same Google search for any given year the MBP has been in production and come up with a myriad of negative results;
2012 Macbook Pro issues
2011 MacBook Pro issues
2010 MacBook Pro issues
2009 MacBook Pro issues
2008 MacBook Pro Issues
2007 MacBook Pro issues
2006 MacBook Pro issues
So employing this logic, one should never buy a Mac " on forums such as MacRumors, those with issue, those that believe they have been aggrieved and the "Haters" will always generate the most traffic for nothing more than their own personal motives.
Apple`s hardware is not perfect, equally it`s not the tragedy that some paint it out to be year on year. If you don't like what Apple produces don't buy it, if you have genuine issue speak with Apple directly, it`s no more complex than that...
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im interested , did you do a video for the whole operation ?
ill certainly do it and report back , i am on a 13" retina though.
my only concern is this picture i just took , 2 programs reporting very different temperatures.
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Flash video makes yours heat up? Mine stays around 70 to 80 degrees. Gaming doesn't matter in my opinion because if I want to do that I will have it on a stand on my desk that allows better airflow and so I don't burn my legs.
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Macs have always run hotter than other computers. This doesn't mean there's a problem. The guy that started this forum went rage mode just to piss people off. Anyone can sound smart using the internet. I want him to design his own computer just so I can see how ****** it is.
Macs have always run hotter than other computers. This doesn't mean there's a problem. The guy that started this forum went rage mode just to piss people off. Anyone can sound smart using the internet. I want him to design his own computer just so I can see how ****** it is.
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They are likely refreshing at different times, istat usually has a setting that can be changed.
Not all temperature monitoring app`s have been updated to read the latest IVB CPU`s hence the difference. Ones that I am aware that are up to date are:
- UltraFan
- SMC Fan Control
- Bresink`s Temperature Monitor
- iStat Menus I believe is updated, iStat Pro is not updated
Undoubtedly there are many more.
Could be they're using different temperature probes, the MBP has a number of sensors, its possible that they're using different sensors
Let me preface this by saying the blame is NOT with Apple's engineers. I understand and absolutely applaud their methodology and execution in the Macbook Pro line..
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I hope this was helpful for you all. Questions? Comments? Keep your blind fanboy-ism, but constructive discussion, I'm all for.
*edit* Micron to microinch conversion - my fault. Used to dealing with µin, not µm
Years ago, I spend my time polishing an heatsink and the Pentium 4 cover for overclcoking. Surfaces were so nice that they stick together with no thermal material. By doing so, CPU temperature drop from 3 to 5 °C a idle 6 to 7°C during load. Of course up to 7°C less is nice, but how much will it cost or increase the price ? I don't know if it *worth* having mirrored surface for HSF...
Nonsense, that was mere conjecture of whether a business could be sustained on such a thing, at no point did I say I wanted to do so.
Absolutely, it should be in the very first post (warning, though, it's 40 minutes long)
Flash video (with Chrome at least) engages the discrete GPU per gfxCardStatus, so yes, temperatures begin to come up. 1080p video full screen in Chrome will cause the temperatures to come up.
Prior to my work, I had to listen to the video over the roar of 5500 rpm fans.
Now I barely notice the 3500rpm they spin at now.
There is no process that can give you a microscopically flat metal surface from rough metal.
In other words, you still needed heatsink compound, and didn't give your processor the opportunity to fully cool by putting them together without thermal compound.
My temps dropped 17C, not 7C. Will be nice to hear what MacModMachine's results are.
iStat Menus uses a few dozen different probes for CPU and GPU temperature while other apps just display one. I believe the correct one in iStat Menu should be using is "CPU proximity", at least thats the one which is most coherent with other sensor apps.
SMC Fan Control is registering core temp, iStat is registering CPU proximity, the approximate difference of 10C should be linear. Personally I prefer to use the sensor with the highest reading, CPU proximity on IVB, same as SB is in the region of 10C cooler than core temp.
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By using CPU proximity on IVB it will present a lower reading in comparison to SB`s CPU Temperature Diode, personally I prefer to use the higher core temp as it matches my SB systems.